About Major and Minor Courage

Bigevilpeter

since they are making SPC and the new trail set give a specific buff called major courage that gives around 250 spell and weapon damage.

I have a suggestion to fit this new buff, first of all this should only be minor courage and the Major courage buff should be like the ones provided by Clever Alchemist, Scathing mage, Burning spellweave etc.

That would be imo a great addition to this new mechanic and would make such sets have a specific damage buff.

Vapirko

But all those sets have different values so I don’t see how that would work unless you’re talking about nerfing clever alch (don’t you dare) or buffing BSW which doesn’t need to happen.

Masel

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

since they are making SPC and the new trail set give a specific buff called major courage that gives around 250 spell and weapon damage.

I have a suggestion to fit this new buff, first of all this should only be minor courage and the Major courage buff should be like the ones provided by Clever Alchemist, Scathing mage, Burning spellweave etc.

That would be imo a great addition to this new mechanic and would make such sets have a specific damage buff.

And what would be the benefit? All it would do is that we'd have less sets to combine, for example we couldnt combine BSW and Scathing or Alchemist, without any benefit to it.

templesus

Please delete this before you give ZOS a very horrible idea.

Bigevilpeter

Masel92 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

since they are making SPC and the new trail set give a specific buff called major courage that gives around 250 spell and weapon damage.

I have a suggestion to fit this new buff, first of all this should only be minor courage and the Major courage buff should be like the ones provided by Clever Alchemist, Scathing mage, Burning spellweave etc.

That would be imo a great addition to this new mechanic and would make such sets have a specific damage buff.

And what would be the benefit? All it would do is that we'd have less sets to combine, for example we couldnt combine BSW and Scathing or Alchemist, without any benefit to it.

Do people actually combine these sets anyways now?

I just think that this would be a fun mechanic in the direction they are going anyways and could even buff some sets making them more viable

ToRelax

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

since they are making SPC and the new trail set give a specific buff called major courage that gives around 250 spell and weapon damage.

I have a suggestion to fit this new buff, first of all this should only be minor courage and the Major courage buff should be like the ones provided by Clever Alchemist, Scathing mage, Burning spellweave etc.

That would be imo a great addition to this new mechanic and would make such sets have a specific damage buff.

And what would be the benefit? All it would do is that we'd have less sets to combine, for example we couldnt combine BSW and Scathing or Alchemist, without any benefit to it.

Do people actually combine these sets anyways now?

I just think that this would be a fun mechanic in the direction they are going anyways and could even buff some sets making them more viable

They could make all these sets have similar values now if they wanted to.

Silver_Strider

It really doesn't matter that Major Courage is a new buff. Making these set give the exact same buff would just destroy them as far as diversity goes. Why wear Scathing Mage when BSW gives the same exact buff and is arguably easier to proc since Fire Damage is the most common type of element?

I can see Powerful Assault getting Minor Courage but that's probably the extent of Major/Minor Courage changes to currently available sets. Maybe as the game evolves more, we'll get more Major/Minor buff tweaks to the game, such as Snares, Wards maybe even Penetration getting placed into Major/Minor categories (I can hear the rage if this happened) but as of right now, I don't think ZOS is going to change their minds on this Major Courage thing.

Bigevilpeter

I just think major courage is too small, specially that there are buffs in 600 wd/sd, if thats the major then the minor will almost be useless

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I just think major courage is too small, specially that there are buffs in 600 wd/sd, if thats the major then the minor will almost be useless

You can give up to six people the buff, so 6*258 is 1548, quite a bit more then you think.

Nifty2g

I bet they do this lmao

Mureel

Vapirko wrote: »

But all those sets have different values so I don’t see how that would work unless you’re talking about nerfing clever alch (don’t you dare) or buffing BSW which doesn’t need to happen.

It's about making healers even further irrelevant through removing buffs from sets traditionally worn by healers, because no one else wants to. Is what it is.

Kolzki

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I just think major courage is too small, specially that there are buffs in 600 wd/sd, if thats the major then the minor will almost be useless

The difference is that the major courage sets give the buff to a group while the 600 wd/sd sets are self buffs. The total dps gain can be way higher for the major courage sets.

Those 600 wd/sd set bonuses are also balanced by long cool downs or proc requirements that mean that they’re not up all of the time. Even the new trial set is balanced by needing to stand still.

Silver_Strider

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I just think major courage is too small, specially that there are buffs in 600 wd/sd, if thats the major then the minor will almost be useless

Powerful Assault IS almost useless lol. It gives less Weapon/Spell Damage than a Gold Enchant would and it only affects 4 people. It's a better Tank set than a DPS set but so is Alkosh and we all know which set people prefer their tanks to wear.

themaddaedra

You are comparing sets which buff one person against sets which buff six people, that's a major difference.

Major Courage -especially with the new set- seems pretty fine imo. About Minor Courage, i'd rather ZoS to bind it on skills, not sets. Like Minor Sorcery. It'd be a too small buff for a 5 piece bonus but it'd be useful to get from skills.

Unless they made it a 3rd piece buff with Major Courage on 5th piece. Just like Master Architect or War Machine giving Minor Slayer on 3rd and Major Slayer on 5th pieces.

Kolzki

Crazy idea. Make a minor courage buff equivalent to a single wd/sd enchant. Give it to wardens as a passive to replace their group minor toughness buff.

Bigevilpeter

Kolzki wrote: »

Crazy idea. Make a minor courage buff equivalent to a single wd/sd enchant. Give it to wardens as a passive to replace their group minor toughness buff.

The major and minor class buffs are all % based, like major brutality which is already a weapon damage buff

Merlin13KAGL

No need to homogenize what few unique sets remain.

The average SD/WD on most sets works out to be about the same. The only difference is in the amount of burst (based on time active vs cooldown) and method to proc.

Choosing sets strictly on the 2, 3, & 4 piece bonuses because 5th is essentially the same does not help build diversity one bit.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

Crazy idea. Make a minor courage buff equivalent to a single wd/sd enchant. Give it to wardens as a passive to replace their group minor toughness buff.

The major and minor class buffs are all % based, like major brutality which is already a weapon damage buff

you are right, i would rather see a passive 5% increase in max stamina or magic, depending on which ever is higher for who ever is healed by the warden, then a flat value spell/weapon damage, to be more in line with the other classes and to give a reason to have warden in your group.

Bigevilpeter

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

No need to homogenize what few unique sets remain.

The average SD/WD on most sets works out to be about the same. The only difference is in the amount of burst (based on time active vs cooldown) and method to proc.

Choosing sets strictly on the 2, 3, & 4 piece bonuses because 5th is essentially the same does not help build diversity one bit.

activation is quite different, like SPC snd the new Trial set

jypcy

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

since they are making SPC and the new trail set give a specific buff called major courage that gives around 250 spell and weapon damage.

I have a suggestion to fit this new buff, first of all this should only be minor courage and the Major courage buff should be like the ones provided by Clever Alchemist, Scathing mage, Burning spellweave etc.

That would be imo a great addition to this new mechanic and would make such sets have a specific damage buff.

And what would be the benefit? All it would do is that we'd have less sets to combine, for example we couldnt combine BSW and Scathing or Alchemist, without any benefit to it.

Do people actually combine these sets anyways now?

I just think that this would be a fun mechanic in the direction they are going anyways and could even buff some sets making them more viable

Let’s put it this way: the Siroria rework seems pretty good, no? In extended fights you can buff up to 600 spell damage, PLUS you can stack this with the bsw proc. Haven’t tested anything yet, but I could see this combo unseating acuity, or at least being a perfectly viable alternative to it.

But whoops, let’s say they rework major courage per your suggestion and make it so the bsw proc is major courage at a value of 600 and becomes a buff to that set. And that Siroria set also offers 600 spell damage, so we’ll rework that to fit in line with the “direction they’re going anyways” and make it so that when you accumulate 20 stacks, you get a permanent major courage buff until you don’t maintain your stacks anymore (not quite the way the set works now, but would fit your proposed major courage model). And suddenly these two sets that could be a very potent combo to run together as they are now become senseless to pair.

If you see minor courage as a useless buff, then don’t use it. Better not to use a buff you’re not even using now than gimp self buff sets so that you can’t combine any in the future.

Edit: rereading it, sorry if that comes off know-it-all-y, not my intention. Just trying to lay out more thoroughly how your proposal could easily turn sour.