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nords are underperforming

  • Priyasekarssk
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    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?

    Nord is fine and no buffs required. People are not using it. 6 percent damage mitigation is monster. Nord warden with heavy armor is virtually overpowered and hit like a truck.

    Only race need some love is imperial.
    10 percent chance to heal 4% health for melee attacks ? LOL. Thats why no one is using imperial. Nord wins over imperial on tanking or PVP any day.

    I think ZOs purposefully making imperials under performing to make sure people not complaining " pay to win ".
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 30, 2018 3:35PM
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    Quick!!! Give them some barrels of mead!
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  • Priyasekarssk
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    Kodrac wrote: »
    The only thing that woul come out of this is the nerfing/removal of the Argonain potion passive. They won't buff Nord's passives. They don't buff anything - only nerf.

    Argonian is fine. I dont think any argonian running on killing spree in PVP.
  • Aliyavana
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    Yzalirk wrote: »
    For a race that is depicted as the best warriors, I am baffled by how this is not reflected upon in ESO.

    Redguards are the best warrior race
  • Yzalirk
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    Yzalirk wrote: »
    For a race that is depicted as the best warriors, I am baffled by how this is not reflected upon in ESO.

    Redguards are the best warrior race

    No.
  • fred4
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    The_Auror wrote: »
    To everyone getting defensive about their Nord characters, OP is asking for buffs for your race! How is that a bad thing?

    As someone with a Nord DK tank I agree, their passives need a buff somewhere.
    Players always just ask for buffs, but I get nervous about what ZOS will make of that. If they perceive something as undervalued, they may be tempted to rework it altogether.

    Nightblades probably asked for Shadowy Disguise to be fixed, so the guaranteed crit actually works on direct damage attacks and is not "accidentally" consumed by DOTs. What do ZOS do? They fix it, but they remove the guaranteed crit heals in the process. That is a big incidental NB nerf.

    You think the frost resistance is useless? I believe frost damage can trigger the Chilled status effect, which snares you. Any amount of elemental resistance makes you immune to secondary effects. In other words, a Nord cannot be snared from certain warden skills, in PvP. Granted, I have not tested that, and Argonians probably have a far more useful passive with disease and poison resistance, but still.
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  • purple-magicb16_ESO
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    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?

    I use it and can attest to underperforming. Definitely needs some stam love if nothing else.

    ...that said, still definitely not garbage.
    Edited by purple-magicb16_ESO on April 30, 2018 6:58PM
    Give 'er eh!
  • PapaWeeb
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    The_Auror wrote: »
    To everyone getting defensive about their Nord characters, OP is asking for buffs for your race! How is that a bad thing?

    As someone with a Nord DK tank I agree, their passives need a buff somewhere.

    Exactly lol. You can do anything with any race as a tank, just look at woeler. Doesn't mean they don't need a buff compared to other tanking options.

    Don't get offended. OP's not attacking you.
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  • SugaComa
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    Nords... For when you want to look bad ass and cool as *** ...

    There is no other reason ... The frost reduction passive needs to be switched ... Not enough cold damage in game except maybe in PvP against a warden to justify the passive being present

    Nords should have increased health and stamina recovery and bonus to physical weapon damage on 2 handers
  • Osteos
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    My Nord Warden tank appreciates any buffs thrown his way. :)
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  • DMuehlhausen
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    casparian wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?
    I use one for my DK tank, so people do use them. :trollface:

    You don't HAVE to be an Argonian to tank, it's just easier/better. I mean we all of someone who does a good job as a Khajiit which isn't even a "tank race".

    OP's point goes a little further than that, though. Presumably OP wasn't saying that in fact no player tanks on a Nord -- obviously people tank on every race. The point is that there's no gameplay-based reason to tank on a Nord. Other than roleplay or not wanting to buy a race-change token, why be a Nord? They offer no advantage that isn't outclassed by other races.

    The problem with Nords is that that's true no matter what role or spec you're going for -- PVP bruiser, PVE tank, PVE DPS, PVP support, PVE healer, etc. It's always better not to be a Nord. That suggests something about their racial passives needs to be adjusted.

    This response alone points how the passives should be for every race. Specially in a game where it's play as you want. Classes should not have such a large advantage through their passives.
  • _Salty_
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    Just think that they actually buffed Nords by giving them 6% stamina. They used to have zero.
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  • Kodrac
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    Kodrac wrote: »
    The only thing that woul come out of this is the nerfing/removal of the Argonain potion passive. They won't buff Nord's passives. They don't buff anything - only nerf.

    Argonian is fine. I dont think any argonian running on killing spree in PVP.

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  • Geru77
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    Ugh this again.... Stay off the Alacast site for a few weeks and play the way you want.

    Disclaimer: it does require some imagination and creativity on your part . Oh and fyi...Nords are actually amazing.
  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
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    My MagSorc is a Nord.

    Because I got tired of sacrificing cool character concepts on the altar of statistic expedience.

    So there.
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Nords should have potion cooldown reduction of 5seconds as a class passive . Not the same as Argonians but Nords should be able to drink more often than other races.

    Lore checks out and would help them tanking as it would give a similar resource boost but in a unique way.
  • Yzalirk
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    Nords should have potion cooldown reduction of 5seconds as a class passive . Not the same as Argonians but Nords should be able to drink more often than other races.

    Lore checks out and would help them tanking as it would give a similar resource boost but in a unique way.

    But I like the free 15 minutes for XP potions. :)
  • DoobZ69
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    Do Nords really need racial passives? People here that play Nords do it because they think Nords are cool. Delete the passives for that race and everyone's happy. No bad passives to complain about -> sorted.
  • NyassaV
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    casparian wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?
    I use one for my DK tank, so people do use them. :trollface:

    You don't HAVE to be an Argonian to tank, it's just easier/better. I mean we all of someone who does a good job as a Khajiit which isn't even a "tank race".

    OP's point goes a little further than that, though. Presumably OP wasn't saying that in fact no player tanks on a Nord -- obviously people tank on every race. The point is that there's no gameplay-based reason to tank on a Nord. Other than roleplay or not wanting to buy a race-change token, why be a Nord? They offer no advantage that isn't outclassed by other races.

    The problem with Nords is that that's true no matter what role or spec you're going for -- PVP bruiser, PVE tank, PVE DPS, PVP support, PVE healer, etc. It's always better not to be a Nord. That suggests something about their racial passives needs to be adjusted.

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  • Nemesis7884
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    i kinda like the idea of lets say each race having 2 normal passive bonuses and then like having a specialization that you can choose as a third one that still fits the background of the class...because there are specialists in each race that would have adifferent focus

    for example for nord one could be +x% ice damage and the other one +x% physical damage or the damage reduction
  • Lysette
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    SugaComa wrote: »
    Nords... For when you want to look bad ass and cool as *** ...

    There is no other reason ... The frost reduction passive needs to be switched ... Not enough cold damage in game except maybe in PvP against a warden to justify the passive being present

    Nords should have increased health and stamina recovery and bonus to physical weapon damage on 2 handers

    That frost passive is there, because it is lore - Nord are said to be exceptionally frost resistant. If anything regarding this passive it should be buffed not be removed - simply because of lore.
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?

    Don't you think this has anything to do with the fact that generally Health Regeneration is a garbage stat, and they made it even worse by allowing Defile to destroy it? There is a good reason why people are willing to tank their Health Regeneration in favor of 10% bonus to Stam/Mag... quite frankly it is because you get a lot more out of self heals and dodge rolling than you'll ever get from Health Regeneration.

    Before someone jumps in and corrects me, I am well aware that Health Regeneration can be strong in noob pvp-land. That's a different animal by the way and the way you build for Kyne is vastly different than the way you build in the Veteran world.
    I think Nords are actually quite well designed. The problem is the way in which Health Regeneration has been treated. I also believe that the way in which their Damage Reduction is being treated is worthy of consideration, but I'm wary of what they'll do to 'fix' this honestly. Be careful what you wish for.
    Edited by dodgehopper_ESO on May 1, 2018 6:33AM
    US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
    <And plenty more>
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?

    Nord is fine and no buffs required. People are not using it. 6 percent damage mitigation is monster. Nord warden with heavy armor is virtually overpowered and hit like a truck.

    Only race need some love is imperial.
    10 percent chance to heal 4% health for melee attacks ? LOL. Thats why no one is using imperial. Nord wins over imperial on tanking or PVP any day.

    I think ZOs purposefully making imperials under performing to make sure people not complaining " pay to win ".

    I've been telling friends for years now that they're better off playing a Nord, Argonian, or Redguard than an Imperial.
    US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
    <And plenty more>
  • SugaComa
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    Lysette wrote: »
    SugaComa wrote: »
    Nords... For when you want to look bad ass and cool as *** ...

    There is no other reason ... The frost reduction passive needs to be switched ... Not enough cold damage in game except maybe in PvP against a warden to justify the passive being present

    Nords should have increased health and stamina recovery and bonus to physical weapon damage on 2 handers

    That frost passive is there, because it is lore - Nord are said to be exceptionally frost resistant. If anything regarding this passive it should be buffed not be removed - simply because of lore.

    Lore is fine as long as the game has something in it where it becomes useful

    ESO doesn't ergo pointless , one mission in the whole game where it's of use ...one

    So how would buffing it help the majority of players ... I get keeping within the lore but sometime you have to tweak it

    Make it s fixed race passive not increased by skill points

  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Just a thought. When you are already capped on armor, has anyone done the math to see if Nord Damage Reduction kicks in when you have armor penetration effects against you? From the standpoint of tanking and tankiness would this not continue to be useful?
    US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
    <And plenty more>
  • Androconium
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    It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.

    Could need some love maybe?

    Your care, along with the care of OTHERS, is unwarranted.
  • ANGEL_BtVS
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    Give Nords +6% frost damage in line with Dunmer/fire. Take a few of the Winter's Revenge active skills and give them stamina morphs that do ice damage. Perhaps even consider giving them a boost to frost enchants which could be placed on axes, swords, maces/mauls to take advantage of the +6% frost damage passive. Something. Being only the third best race at any role in the game is just bad.
    Edited by ANGEL_BtVS on May 1, 2018 2:34PM
  • SydneyGrey
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    Lysette wrote: »
    That frost passive is there, because it is lore - Nord are said to be exceptionally frost resistant. If anything regarding this passive it should be buffed not be removed - simply because of lore.
    Lore can kiss my rear. It's a useless passive.

    This is the way to work the frost thing into the lore. It would make Nord wardens experts in ice magic, which would make ice magic actually useful for something besides tanking:
    ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »
    Give Nords +6% frost damage in line with Dunmer/fire. Take a few of the Winter's Revenge active skills and give them stamina morphs that do ice damage. . Perhaps even consider giving them a boost to frost enchants. Something. Being only the third best race at any role in the game is just bad.

    Edited by SydneyGrey on May 1, 2018 1:18PM
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