Two sets one staff

badmojo · April 2018

If it counts as 2 set pieces in Summerset I should be able to make it count as 1 piece from two sets.

We demand equality of the weapons, its 2018 this two handed oppression has to end!

SilverIce58 · April 2018

Why? Just wear one set as armor, and 3 jewelry and one staff as another set.

Didaco · April 2018

By the title I thought it was about some kind of sequel of that famous video.

badmojo · April 2018

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Why? Just wear one set as armor, and 3 jewelry and one staff as another set.

Sure, if you are building a new character that works fine. But some of us currently alternate between staffs of different sets. With the change we are going to have 6/5 & 4/5. So a change that should help us is going to have us putting one of the two golded out and enchanted staffs in storage while we have to go farm another and upgrade/enchant it.

I am sure I can work around it and the hit to tempers and runes is nothing I cant handle, but that is the reasoning behind me bringing this up.

Nestor · April 2018

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ParaNostram · April 2018

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

They still give us nice things? I thought they just charged us for the chance of nice things if RNGsus loves us enough

badmojo · April 2018

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

BeefyMrTips · April 2018

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

I once asked ZOS to come out for one of my baseball games and they cancelled the rest of baseball that year.. we were going to the ships!!!! we were going to the ships...

Beardimus · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sigtric · April 2018

@badmojo how exactly is one of your staves going to be useless?

badmojo · April 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

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badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

Marginis · April 2018

Eh, not a bad idea but not necessary, in my opinion. There are other ways to achieve the same results that your suggestion would. Also, probably not best to complain that a buff wasn't buffy enough. They might unbuff the buff, which nobody wants.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Nothing about this change makes anyone's gear useless. You're confused.

Any gear combination that is valid on live will be just as valid after the patch.

There will be other combinations, and you'll have to make a choice, but the two-handed change doesn't render anything weaker than it is right now.

DocFrost72 · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

In that situation, couldn't you swap out one spinners and one lich piece on the body, replace them with torug's, and be where you are today with 129 extra spell damage?

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swear, you give people something nice, and it's met with complaints and I WANT MORE. Just stop it already. The amount of build diversity this will create is huge. Let the dust settle. We are still on the PTS for crying out loud.

Also, your specific type of build is getting a huge buff. Oh you back bar and front bar different sets? Well, instead of being able to wear a 2 piece helm, you can now wear 4 pieces of gear. You arent losing anything, you are gaining extra set pieces. One of the first things I plan to try next patch is 5 Spinner (front), 5 Lich (Back), 3 Willpower, 1 Domihaus.

Edit: Option 2 I plan to try (thanks to this) is with a master staff. Front bar Is 5 Shackle, 1 Master, 3 Wizards Ripose (or Lich), 2 piece monster set, Back bar is 5/5/2 for the Wizards/Lich Proc. So many options now.

And if you dont like that, you can use the same build you have been running and run an extra 2 piece set of anything you want. Nothing is making your staffs useless, in fact, quite the opposite. Sets that have five piece bonuses that really only need to be on one bar (lich and spinners are great examples) are getting bigger effective buffs than any other set.

SammyFable · April 2018

You can just unequip one armour piece from lich for a monsterset for example, you would loose the 4 piece bonus on your front bar, but you'll still get the buff on your backbar. This way you could either wear something with a nice 2 piece bonus (spell damage/ recovery/ max mag) + a monster set or an additional 3 piece set + one monster set item.

badmojo · April 2018

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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badmojo wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

In that situation, couldn't you swap out one spinners and one lich piece on the body, replace them with torug's, and be where you are today with 129 extra spell damage?

Yeah, that is possible. But I have always wanted spinners on the backbar to be honest. I have curse and mages fury back there.

carljokl · April 2018

I don't even know if this is a serious suggestion.

It is not possible to craft an item as more than one set. You can't realistically say I want to craft half of my staff at one crafting station and the other half at another. It would not work.

It seems like a decent enough improvement as it is to have 2 handed weapons count for 2 pieces. If you need another set piece then it will have to involve getting it through armour or jewellery.

I do wonder if the optimum setup is going to involve:

2 piece monster set for head and shoulders.
5 piece set on the rest of the armour.
5 piece set from 3 pieces of jewellery and 2 from weapons.

3 piece jewellery sets don't allow for all worn sets to be complete (but as it is we often accept having an incomplete set).

I don't know if there is any other way to split sets that results in them all being complete.

WrathOfInnos · April 2018

How is this even a complaint? Your build will benefit so much from the change. You'll be able to keep 5 spinner, 5 lich, and 2 Ilambris active on both bars. Or you could do 5 spinner all the time, 2 Ilambris all the time, 5 lich back bar, and front bar weapon could be a Master or Asylum Destro or a Willpower for 1400 magicka.

Katahdin · April 2018

If you find a staff of either set (it does not have to be spinners, but not sure of the availability of each) you can have both 5 piece bonuses all the time which is better than switching back and forth

DocFrost72 · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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DocFrost72 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

In that situation, couldn't you swap out one spinners and one lich piece on the body, replace them with torug's, and be where you are today with 129 extra spell damage?

Yeah, that is possible. But I have always wanted spinners on the backbar to be honest. I have curse and mages fury back there.

Hmm, then it might honestly be worth it to bite the bullet on crafting for that 100% uptime. If nothing else, at least you're spending money to. Increase your effectiveness unlike some patches

badmojo · April 2018

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

How is this even a complaint? Your build will benefit so much from the change. You'll be able to keep 5 spinner, 5 lich, and 2 Ilambris active on both bars. Or you could do 5 spinner all the time, 2 Ilambris all the time, 5 lich back bar, and front bar weapon could be a Master or Asylum Destro or a Willpower for 1400 magicka.

Good idea, thanks for the suggestion.

I wasn't so much complaining as much as just recognizing that two pieces still have an advantage over one that is counted as two, so I made a sarcastic suggestion to bring it up. But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised when people don't recognize the sarcasm online, especially on this forum.

Brrrofski · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

Or you just swap out two jewellery for willpower.

So you get 5 spinner, 3 lich, 2 illambris, 2 willpower front bar.

3 spinner, 5 lich, 2 illambris, 2 willpower back bar.

Free 1400 magica on both bars.

Colecovision · April 2018

When you have two weapons sets on one bar, you farm it twice and gold it twice. Dagger + Axe = 2 drops and 16 tempers. That's 112k in gold temper. You wasted 30k tops on Rosin, but less than that if you're a decent shopper.

Do you have a logical explanation to split the bonus that doesn't have you farming twice? I don't. So ideally ZoS would give you what you want and turn your full staves (one drop) into half staves (2 drops) for the front bar and you can start over on the back . Then use 16 Rosin to fix your situation instead of 8 and you'll have it just like us DW and S+B users.

Be careful what you wish for.

zaria · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Beardimus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

If threads like this keep popping up, ZOS will stop giving us nice things.

ZOS makes a change that makes one of my staffs useless & requires me to farm another, and you expect me not to mention it on their forums?

I feel like this topic has more relevance than the threads about master/vma weapons not being BIS anymore.

Hi, I'm not sure I understand that can you give us the set examples (sorry am not really with It today)

Sure, my magSorc currently runs 5 piece Spinners on front bar and 5 piece Lich on back bar, with 2piece Illambris. I have two lightning staffs, one Spinners and the other Lich. I only have 5/5 of the set whos staff is out, other set is 4/5 until I swap weapons.

This setup works because Lich is a proc set that triggers when casting a magicka ability, so when I switch to backbar to use buffs it can proc. And most of my attacks are on front bar so the penetration from Spinners applies to those.

With the change to two handed weapons counting as two set pieces I cant use staffs from two different sets anymore. I mean I could, but I wouldnt benefit from the 2 piece change.

I am going to have to find another Spinners staff and replace the lich staff. Along with swapping out a spinners ring for a lich. Not the end of the world, but all my stuff is golded out. So its a loss none the less.

Lich is triggered then low on magic it don't hurt by being always on.
Some other proc set on the other hand you want to control then proc.

badmojo · April 2018

Colecovision wrote: »

When you have two weapons sets on one bar, you farm it twice and gold it twice. Dagger + Axe = 2 drops and 16 tempers. That's 112k in gold temper. You wasted 30k tops on Rosin, but less than that if you're a decent shopper.

Do you have a logical explanation to split the bonus that doesn't have you farming twice? I don't. So ideally ZoS would give you what you want and turn your full staves (one drop) into half staves (2 drops) for the front bar and you can start over on the back . Then use 16 Rosin to fix your situation instead of 8 and you'll have it just like us DW and S+B users.

Be careful what you wish for.

Or they could just do something simple like let us equip dual staffs(in dual wield slot) and only count them as 1 piece towards their respective sets. Then I would have to farm 2 more staffs and gold them out, but at least it would allow us to mix sets per weapon.

It would mean more farming for gear on my part, but at least with that solution two handed weapons would work exactly the same as 1 handed.

Colecovision · April 2018

badmojo wrote: »

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Colecovision wrote: »

When you have two weapons sets on one bar, you farm it twice and gold it twice. Dagger + Axe = 2 drops and 16 tempers. That's 112k in gold temper. You wasted 30k tops on Rosin, but less than that if you're a decent shopper.

Do you have a logical explanation to split the bonus that doesn't have you farming twice? I don't. So ideally ZoS would give you what you want and turn your full staves (one drop) into half staves (2 drops) for the front bar and you can start over on the back . Then use 16 Rosin to fix your situation instead of 8 and you'll have it just like us DW and S+B users.

Be careful what you wish for.

Or they could just do something simple like let us equip dual staffs(in dual wield slot) and only count them as 1 piece towards their respective sets. Then I would have to farm 2 more staffs and gold them out, but at least it would allow us to mix sets per weapon.

It would mean more farming for gear on my part, but at least with that solution two handed weapons would work exactly the same as 1 handed.

I don't think the group would be happy with that, but I certainly respect that you'd take the bad with the good on the request.

For me the idea of the 2 set bonus is that your getting one bonus per hand. The fact that the hands are on the same weapon means that they would be limited to being in the same set. I guess if you were to separate the head and the shaft, you could make a combo staff. It would actually open up the door for mix and match in terms of appearance too. I'm not a programmer but I suspect that would be a massive undertaking to implement an unpopular change.

N0TPLAYER2 · April 2018

I’m still confused how this will work with vma staff.

Let’s say I run 5 burning spell weave, 2 valkyn, 3 willpower and a destro front and a Resto back bar.

How will this change? I know it now counts as two pieces instead of one, but vma staffs are a one piece set.

So would it better to run two torgues pack staves to get the two piece bonus? I’m still confused how this will help people who use vma, master or asylum staves.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

I’m still confused how this will work with vma staff.

Let’s say I run 5 burning spell weave, 2 valkyn, 3 willpower and a destro front and a Resto back bar.

How will this change? I know it now counts as two pieces instead of one, but vma staffs are a one piece set.

So would it better to run two torgues pack staves to get the two piece bonus? I’m still confused how this will help people who use vma, master or asylum staves.

@notplayer2

Well the buff really has no direct impact on VMA weapons, but it does a few things worth noting. First, it closes the gap on the haves and haves not with VMA, Asylum, Master weapons. That part I am fairly certain is obvious. Right now we typically compare a VMA staff to a one piece set bonus (typically the 4th piece bonus on most sets). Next patch we will compare them to a 5th piece bonus (which is much stronger), so the gap is smaller.

Second, for builds that already run them, it does allow for an extra set piece, so it is still helpful. Most builds dont run a VMA/Asylum weapon on both bars (but certainly some do, especially with a perfected staff). In PVE, these are often back bar weapons. Lets take what I would call the meta magic damage build at the moment:

A magic Nightblade typically does one of two things in a trial these days. Front Bar: 5 Mechanical Acuity, 1 Kena, 5 Master Architect or BSW. Back Bar 4 Mechanical acuity, 1 Kena, 5 MA or BSW, 1 VMA staff.

The beauty of Mechanical Acuity is that it really only needs to be front barred. Next patch, that same build will be able to utilize the second piece of a monster set, with essentially no downside other than a slight loss of stats on the back bar (now 4th and 5th bonus on Mech Acuity is front bar only). This is certainly a net buff to a build using a VMA staff. A build that uses a Perfected asylum staff and a VMA staff will not see a buff, but they are already really far out in front of the rest, so this closes the gap.

In PVP, we often see the oposite. The vast majority of VMA/Master weapons are front bar weapons, master Destro being really common. Lets take the meta Magic sorc build:

Front 1 Master, 5 shacklebreaker, 1 Domihaus, 4 Wizards riposte, Back is 5 Shackle, 5 Wizards, 1 Domi. This build also gets the same benefit of adding the second monster set, and the trade off is a little less magic regen on the front bar (4th and 5th Wizards Riposte bonuses are now back bar only). Again, this is a relatively good trade off because the 2nd piece monster set is almost always stronger than your average one piece bonus. Even if you run something like 1 Shadowrend to compensate for the loss of your 4th piece Wizards bonus on the front bar, you still get extra magic regen on your back bar. In other words, its still a buff.