Possible Massive Memory Leak??

KyleTheYounger

WTH is this??? The game is literally using 1GB RAM?? Something which it has never done before with the regular ESO?

Is this insane memory drain logical?

No I don't have any viruses etc etc. I launched the game off Steam and played other games today with zero issues. What gives???

MrGraves

Here's mine, as seen from task manager, running the game on 64-bit, windows10, My game is not through steam. The lag IN the game itself isnt so bad usually but i am getting lag spikes then it will go back to some what normal.

Yakidafi

Is it growing bigger the longer you play?

MrGraves

Yakidafi wrote: »

Is it growing bigger the longer you play?

It's only been a few minutes and i haven't been on it very long (less than an hour) it's gone down a little though, but staying around that range. If i moved to a different zone/area it may change (I'm next to Sunhold at the moment.)

KyleTheYounger

My memory did drop slightly after I shutdown all my Google pages. For some weird reason, Google decided to open some 8-10 pages O.o

But this was a slight drop to about 91%. Now it's back up to 93%? So unpredictable. The only other time I've had this happen was with the Jan update of MalwareBytes earlier this year. This update literally BRICKED ppls computer systems. Shutting them off and locking them to black screen once the mem usage hit 98%.

I've never seen the memory usage on steroids like that. Running on med settings v Ultra. Hope this gets fixed in beta.

KyleTheYounger

MrGraves wrote: »

Here's mine, as seen from task manager, running the game on 64-bit, windows10, My game is not through steam. The lag IN the game itself isnt so bad usually but i am getting lag spikes then it will go back to some what normal.

Holy crap! Are you getting stutttering as a result?

MrGraves

KyleTheYounger wrote: »

MrGraves wrote: »

Here's mine, as seen from task manager, running the game on 64-bit, windows10, My game is not through steam. The lag IN the game itself isnt so bad usually but i am getting lag spikes then it will go back to some what normal.

Holy crap! Are you getting stutttering as a result?

More then usual, My game hasnt been running super well since the CwC update though? (on live)
I tried moving to the alinor crest house and it got a bit worse, not by alot though, also made my fans start running more to try and cool my laptop down. (It's a higher end laptop for gaming, so it normally handles ESO pretty well.)

I've also tried moving to a different house, Ald Velothi and it's still bad. My FPS has gone up in the houses but the memory usage is still pretty bad.


Overall this is the usage on my laptop. Ive just got eso, discord and chrome up, with ESO taking up the bulk of that.



Next I'm going to a base game zone house, then base game zone to see if there's much of a difference or if it's just all of ESO.

Autumns-Gate house.




The Rift


The only difference I'm really seeing as a whole is having worse FPS in the Summerset zone but overall it's generally the same no matter where I go.

Rygonix

I can confirm that there is something going on. I went and alt-tabbed while in a loading screen and it caused my task manager and Windows Explorer to completely lock up, and took about 5 minutes for ESO PTS to terminate and Windows Explorer to reboot, even after using task manager to end my ESO process directly.

I am using 64-bit Windows 7 on a relatively high-end machine.

Edit: This issue never happened to me on live and I alt-tab from full screen regularly

Yakidafi

From wikipedia: "In computer science, a memory leak is a type of resource leak that occurs when a computer program incorrectly manages memory allocations[1] in such a way that memory which is no longer needed is not released."

Which will lead to the program taking up more and more of your ram, untill it crash when the limit is reached.

I don't know what eso normally take, but if it is around those parts stable then it is no leak.

@KyleTheYounger eso only take 23-25% of your ram, what take the rest of your total 8gb? Maybe close what you do not use, if it get to close too 100% that it cause problems.

MrGraves

Here's the character select screen on live server for me.


Now in Vivec city, at the bank.


In an apartment.


(all of this in this post is from the live server)

SirAndy

Wait, are you complaining that it *only* uses 1GB of memory or are you complaining because you think it should use *less* memory?

I'm confused ...



PS: 1GB of memory for a 64-bit game is rather on the low end, i'd be worried that something isn't working right with that low usage. Pretty much the opposite of a memory leak.

Rohamad_Ali

I thought they discontinued 32bit support ?

KyleTheYounger

Thanks for everyone posting their screenshots.

Good Lord. I didn't realize the memory load was so much. Even my heavily modded 4K Skyrim game doesn't load that high based on what I"m seeing.

Well this is my first beta test ever. And definitely an eye opener

KyleTheYounger

Rygonix wrote: »

I can confirm that there is something going on. I went and alt-tabbed while in a loading screen and it caused my task manager and Windows Explorer to completely lock up, and took about 5 minutes for ESO PTS to terminate and Windows Explorer to reboot, even after using task manager to end my ESO process directly.

I am using 64-bit Windows 7 on a relatively high-end machine.

Edit: This issue never happened to me on live and I alt-tab from full screen regularly

Thanks so much for confirming this. I actually talked myself into believing I'd somehow smoked an exotic blend of gillyweed infused, moon sugar coated crack before powering my system on O.o

Dragath

i'm not sure if this is a serious thread?
2gb ram is nothing.
the reason why they abandoned the 32 bit client was to be able to use more than 2gb ram.

MrGraves

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I thought they discontinued 32bit support ?

I think you can still run it in 32-bit, they discontinued support for it though, they wont be making 32-bit run any better in any future updates but I think it's still possible to run it technically. It says in launcher you can disable run as 64-bit anyway.

For me though I would say the game isnt running much worse OVERALL but I have been experiencing more lag spikes in the PTS (in the Summerset zone anyhow) I also noticed that on the PTS some of my video settings were a bit different, the reflections quality was set to a higher setting i know for sure but i changed that the day the Summerset PTS started, This may not be a case for anyone else but, maybe check the settings on the PTS anyway?

KyleTheYounger

Yakidafi wrote: »

From wikipedia: "In computer science, a memory leak is a type of resource leak that occurs when a computer program incorrectly manages memory allocations[1] in such a way that memory which is no longer needed is not released."

Which will lead to the program taking up more and more of your ram, untill it crash when the limit is reached.

I don't know what eso normally take, but if it is around those parts stable then it is no leak.

@KyleTheYounger eso only take 23-25% of your ram, what take the rest of your total 8gb? Maybe close what you do not use, if it get to close too 100% that it cause problems.

I've got 16GB MB RAM and 2GB page file. Here's my Nvidia GPU



So how is the task manager topping out at 2GB useage? Numbers don't make sense.

GiantFruitFly

I as well can't tell if this thread is serious. Is it actually a memory leak and ram usage keeps going up and up or is it zos' very unstable servers and internet connections?

1-3gb ram usage is practically nothing for large applications today. In fact, I recall that people for other games have even deliberately made and implemented 3gb+ patches to let those programs use more than 3gb. Recommended ram amount for games and other software has gone up over the years, that's nothing new. Furthermore, part of the reason 32-bit programs are being abandoned is because they limit software to 2gb ram or less, and having access to more than 2gb ram gives the programmers more freedom.

It is like as if the OP hasn't even used google chrome, other large games, or special software like photoshop or analytical software. I've seen CFD analysis software take up 40+gb of ram. In fact, my computer uses around 3.3gb of ram just idling with only the web browser and background processes running. It isn't a problem as I have 16gb ddr4 3200mhz cl14 ram. I'd rather the game preload as much as it can into the faster ram and leave it there than constantly incur long load times and causing wear through read/write cycles on ssds.

Yakidafi

KyleTheYounger wrote: »

So how is the task manager topping out at 2GB useage? Numbers don't make sense.

Eso is not your only running program.

If you are serious now: start using logical thinking.

If you are not serious: funny.

Kadoin

KyleTheYounger wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

From wikipedia: "In computer science, a memory leak is a type of resource leak that occurs when a computer program incorrectly manages memory allocations[1] in such a way that memory which is no longer needed is not released."

Which will lead to the program taking up more and more of your ram, untill it crash when the limit is reached.

I don't know what eso normally take, but if it is around those parts stable then it is no leak.

@KyleTheYounger eso only take 23-25% of your ram, what take the rest of your total 8gb? Maybe close what you do not use, if it get to close too 100% that it cause problems.

I've got 16GB MB RAM and 2GB page file. Here's my Nvidia GPU



So how is the task manager topping out at 2GB useage? Numbers don't make sense.

What you don't understand is that task manager only reports the memory in use, not the "working set" and otherwise reserved memory. Your GPU and other devices reserve some memory on your system, in your case it appears to be 2GB, reducing your overall system memory to around 14GB. Your GPU also reserves some system RAM dynamically, and depending on Windows and what programs access it, the memory that is "shared" may or may not be accessible to the user until the program reserving it is exited or the system rebooted. This behavior can be changed in Windows, but not with some clicks and its something only an advanced user should be messing with. Nothing to do with ESO, that's just Windows memory management at work...

Also, you should know Chrome usually has more than one process (1 base process + 1 additional process per tab) and has a huge working set of RAM. Task manager will not show the actual usage of RAM by Chrome, only the base processes' RAM usage. Chrome also tends to leak when playing games IF hardware acceleration is enabled in Chrome. In fact this happens very often with NVIDIA GPUs and Chrome; it was never fixed. This is a well-known issue and NVIDIA has been trying to fix it for years (but haven't). It occurs on Windows and Linux.

Your drivers are also old. If you applied the Spectre and Meltdown fix in Windows Update then you should update the driver. They changed the Windows Driver Model (WDM) in December and have already pushed that update out on Windows Update. Some drivers are not compatible after the update and should be reinstalled as legacy drivers if they do not have updated versions. From what I've seen the update affects all low-level drivers (hardware:: CPU, chipset, GPU, audio, SATA, even an xbox controller...)

KyleTheYounger

Thanks for the intensive explanation. Oddly enough, chrome was NOT running at the time. Didn't have any web windows open

Now I've completely logged out of the game and Steam. Memory load is showing 83% (with Chrome at 2 tabs is 232MB)

As of right now, the biggest memory loads are Windows services (4 largest services are at 10, 13, 17 and 16 MB) Windows processes running in background. The rest of the Win10 Services are 1-3 MB each that apparently brings the memory load to 83%

mesmerizedish

KyleTheYounger wrote: »

Thanks for everyone posting their screenshots.

Good Lord. I didn't realize the memory load was so much. Even my heavily modded 4K Skyrim game doesn't load that high based on what I"m seeing.

Well this is my first beta test ever. And definitely an eye opener

My moderately-modded Skyrim uses 2GB of RAM on the main menu before I even load a game, so I think you're lowballing how much memory your games are using

Irfind

1-2 GB is nothing when im playing HDRO it easely adds up to 6-7 GB

It has a reason that new PCs have min. 16 GB ram.

SirAndy

MrGraves wrote: »

I think you can still run it in 32-bit

Nope, instead of reworking the launcher they simply replaced the 32bit exe with a copy of the 64bit exe.
So regardless of which one you launch, you always run the latest 64bit client.

Numerikuu

Only 1GB? Mine ranges anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5, though it tends to hang/crash when it reaches 3.7-4. Currently on PTS with no addons it's at 2.5. Live, it's usually around 3.5.

Kanar

More the merrier, go ahead ESO and take up 5, 6 7+ GB memory. That would be great, cache resources in memory, pre-load zones and textures, use even more memory! What's the point of having unused memory?

personman_145

I'm more surprised it uses that little rather than that much. This is a 70GB game with all kinda crazy stuff going on. 1-2 gigs is nothing. "Massive Memory Leak" for 1GB?

Mystrius_Archaion

Rygonix wrote: »

I can confirm that there is something going on. I went and alt-tabbed while in a loading screen and it caused my task manager and Windows Explorer to completely lock up, and took about 5 minutes for ESO PTS to terminate and Windows Explorer to reboot, even after using task manager to end my ESO process directly.

I am using 64-bit Windows 7 on a relatively high-end machine.

Edit: This issue never happened to me on live and I alt-tab from full screen regularly

I've had that issue a lot for probably 8 months now on live.
I had to switch to maximized windowed mode to be able to Alt-Tab without causing my screen to blank out and tile up a lot.
It was most likely a Windows 10 update that did it for me, but my computer is also aging. I'm running 64bit on an older Intel Core i3, with 2 physical and 2 virtual cores, and a Nvidia gtx765 in a small form facotr PC. I need an upgrade.

Try switching to maximized windowed mode. It will still perform almost as great in framerate(I'm usually pegged at 60 with sometimes 45 in populated areas) and won't have the issue with changing to different programs.

Mystrius_Archaion

Kadoin wrote: »

From what I've seen the update affects all low-level drivers (hardware:: CPU, chipset, GPU, audio, SATA, even an xbox controller...)

Well that explains a bit why, when I was on Windows 8.1, my Xbox 360 controller with Windows dongle stopped working reliably and even stopped working at all with the game eventually and it affected my Logitech F310 controller also.
I was forced to upgrade to Windows 10, which thankfully was free at the time, and get a Xbox One controller for windows(so much better than the 360 controller anyway) to be able to play the game with a gamepad again properly.

KyleTheYounger

Memory issue resolved. Latest version of Malware Bytes appears to be the root cause. I disabled it from starting up on Win10 and defaulted to using Windows Defender. Memory usage is right back to where it was before I upgraded MW which I haven't been using since the Jan 2018 Web protection/memory issue that was bricking ppl's systems. I recently downloaded and reactivated MW just before doing this beta test period. That's when all my memory issues in taskmgr began. And now the memory useage is back to pre Malware Bytes hijacking as you can see below. I have over half a dozen chrome tabs currently open when I took the screen pic below btw:

With the game running:


And without the game:



So it doesn't appear MW has fixed the memory leak issue. The AV was also censoring Goggle's ability to open pages to known and trusted sites. This issue no longer persists.

My original post was a totally non ESO related issue. Please close thread thanks.

Elsonso

SirAndy wrote: »

Wait, are you complaining that it *only* uses 1GB of memory or are you complaining because you think it should use *less* memory?

I'm confused ...



PS: 1GB of memory for a 64-bit game is rather on the low end, i'd be worried that something isn't working right with that low usage. Pretty much the opposite of a memory leak.

Honestly, I cannot remember the last time I looked at the ESO process and it was using less than 2.5GB of RAM. I admit that I have not looked at it in a good long while. This was considered normal, at the time. I can't imagine that it has gone down.