ZOS are you going to ruin Summerset for me like you did Morrowind?

MornaBaine

I don't really play your game anymore, which you should know for starters. Why? Because you have 2 settings. 1. "Faceroll Easy Mode" for all questing and 2. "Gouge Out My Own Eyes With A Grapefruit Spoon Too Hard" for all end game, trials, and many hard mode dungeons which are the only things that yield the items and dyes I really want. Not to mention the mind numbingly boring repetition of it all to get gear. I miss Doshia being scary. I miss the vampire and werewolf quests being challenging. And let's face it, you never have given us anything worth having from questing so there's absolutely no reason to do it past level cap. You've basically wrecked the game for most casual players.

So what DO I give you my subscription money for? Roleplay in the Elder Scrolls setting. The pretty graphics. Player Housing. Yep, that's pretty much it... I still enjoy your far more expensive version of The Sims that I can play with friends. That's all you've got left going for you now as far as I'm concerned. And you keep ruining even that with gamble box exclusive items, limited time items, shoddy craftsmanship on costumes far too often, limited dye options, and prices for pixels that defy description in their lunacy.

So, let's talk about Morrowind. When I saw the furniture I was incredibly excited. It was so much nicer than anything else you had in the game. I was fully prepared to go nuts and spend the endless hours required harvesting mats to make it. BUT you made getting the plans so incredibly RARE AND DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE that I was forced to give up. I don't even bother venturing into Vvardenfel anymore even though it's a really cool zone. I can't get what I want there so why bother? You basically refused to let me get the only thing I was excited for from Morrowind. I'm still salty about it. And it's the reason I have bought NONE of the houses from Morrowind even though I initially wanted ALL of them with the exception of your gross "Tumor Tower."

Now, I am checking out Summerset on PTS. Holy moly but you've finally knocked it out of the park on the player housing. The houses AND the furnishings are absolutely phenomenal. Kudos! Give your dev team on that a raise! And yet, I am absolutely terrified that you're just going to pull another Morrowind on me here and I will NEVER be able to recreate the things I am doing in PTS. Because not only will your prices for the furnishings on the crown store be completely unreasonable and literally insane... but you're going to make acquiring the plans to MAKE those furnishings incredibly rare AGAIN, aren't you? Seriously, if you're just going to make everything as impossible to achieve as you have with Morrowind why should I even bother? I am fully prepared to lay out the stupid amount of cash I already know you're going to ask for both houses.... AND with the new furnishings I even WANT to buy one of the old Notable homes as well. But what's the point when you're just going to ruin any enjoyment I might have in those places with your insanely BAD RNG????

Please, please, PLEASE do NOT ruin Summerset for me the same way you ruined Morrowind. I'm literally begging you here.
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Update as of 7/12/18:
Well ZOS you did it. You've ruined Summerset just like you ruined Morrowind for those of us who actually give you vast sums of money for player housing. You just did it by a slightly different road this time around. Instead of making the plans for the Alinor furnishing nearly non-existant like you did the ones in Morrowind (though I hear you are planning to nerf the drop rates so "good job" there!) you've introduced a new style material for them that can only be obtained by mindlessly running the same daily over and over until your brain melts from sheer boredom. And to add insult to injury, while you only get ONE style material from this quest of COURSE each piece of furniture demands multiple of them. So crafting Alinor furniture is actually WORSE than crafting Morrowind furniture. This was incredibly sneaky and underhanded.

I will finish the project I started thinking that you were going to act in good faith this time and that you had actually listened to your player base and were going to do something ethical. But since that's not the case I will know in future not to buy anything else because it's no more than yet another bait and switch to get me endlessly into the cash shop ON TOP of your already exorbitant house pricing.

I never thought I'd see the day I'd give up my sub on my main account. But that day is coming.

Wrubius_Coronaria

Orjix

So the ideal world is where there is no furnishing patterns that are rare, because to me that's how you're coming off as wanting. If there is no rarity there is no value, sure you may want everything, but if everything is the same rarity it take the excitement out of pulling a rate pattern/motif. I don't know you just seem to be upset over normal game play features, some things should be more rare than others

Turelus

I think the changes you want are going to take an update where they focus on nothing new but rather just a rebalance of the entire game. I want that as well, but realistically it's not going to happen if they want to keep meeting their 4 content releases a year.

MornaBaine

Orjix wrote: »

So the ideal world is where there is no furnishing patterns that are rare, because to me that's how you're coming off as wanting. If there is no rarity there is no value, sure you may want everything, but if everything is the same rarity it take the excitement out of pulling a rate pattern/motif. I don't know you just seem to be upset over normal game play features, some things should be more rare than others

Well, for starters, why SHOULD a cosmetic item like furnishing patterns BE rare in the first place? The purple and gold items should simply be more expensive to MAKE than the blue and green ones. And I really don't care that the gold items require writs. That's part of the difficulty of making them. I'm fine with being forced to "work" for items that convey in-game advantages. Like gear. But a sofa? Not so much. Furnishing patterns, regardless of whether or not they are green, blue or purple, should be no more rare than the base game motifs are. Nor should the items required to make them be subject to a huge RNG artificial scarcity. They should simply require MORE mats, as they go up in "quality," to make. Being required to spend the time harvesting to make what I want isn't an issue. Being denied the ability to make it AT ALL is what I'm on about here. Furnishing a home is not a matter of showing off how lucky I am with RNG. Because let's face it, that's all it is. It's not like getting a Trial skin which proclaims you were actually good at something and beat a difficult boss. It's literally nothing more than saying, "Hey I got lucky with RNG!" Who cares? And it disrupts and destroys the ability to decorate in a harmonious and aesthetically pleasing way... which is literally what player housing SHOULD be about.

MornaBaine

Turelus wrote: »

I think the changes you want are going to take an update where they focus on nothing new but rather just a rebalance of the entire game. I want that as well, but realistically it's not going to happen if they want to keep meeting their 4 content releases a year.

I would disagree. All they have to do is set the values of RNG for acquiring furnishing patterns in Summerset to something far more reasonable than they did in Morrowind.

Streega

Orjix wrote: »

So the ideal world is where there is no furnishing patterns that are rare, because to me that's how you're coming off as wanting. If there is no rarity there is no value, sure you may want everything, but if everything is the same rarity it take the excitement out of pulling a rate pattern/motif. I don't know you just seem to be upset over normal game play features, some things should be more rare than others

There is a difference between "rare" and "almost impossible to get". I'm with Morna here - I'm not a meta-pro-player, I enjoy crafting and picking flowers, collecting blueprints and making furniture for my guildies. I have a very sick friend, who dreamed about nice house full of beautiful Dunmer furniture, and I wanted to suprise him when he gets back from a hospital. Well, I can't do that, because of the above. I could buy the blueprints, but I can't win with flippers who snap every good deal, and I don't have milions to spend.

Feanor

Orjix wrote: »

So the ideal world is where there is no furnishing patterns that are rare, because to me that's how you're coming off as wanting. If there is no rarity there is no value, sure you may want everything, but if everything is the same rarity it take the excitement out of pulling a rate pattern/motif. I don't know you just seem to be upset over normal game play features, some things should be more rare than others

You really think Morrowind and CWC furnishing drop rates were acceptable? 1 in 22,000 isn’t rare. It’s once in a blue moon.

Turelus

MornaBaine wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think the changes you want are going to take an update where they focus on nothing new but rather just a rebalance of the entire game. I want that as well, but realistically it's not going to happen if they want to keep meeting their 4 content releases a year.

I would disagree. All they have to do is set the values of RNG for acquiring furnishing patterns in Summerset to something far more reasonable than they did in Morrowind.

What about all the other aspects of your complaints regarding balance of the game and difficulty?

MornaBaine

Turelus wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think the changes you want are going to take an update where they focus on nothing new but rather just a rebalance of the entire game. I want that as well, but realistically it's not going to happen if they want to keep meeting their 4 content releases a year.

I would disagree. All they have to do is set the values of RNG for acquiring furnishing patterns in Summerset to something far more reasonable than they did in Morrowind.

What about all the other aspects of your complaints regarding balance of the game and difficulty?

Ah, those are separate issues from the furnishing pattern scarcity and there I will absolutely agree that the whole game desperately needs a rebalance that is very unlikely to ever happen. Especially not when all effort and time is being directed towards more ways to monetize in the cash shop.

Carbonised

As for furnishings and plans, I'm going to bet all my crowns that they will do exactly like they did with Morrowind and CWC. Already on the PTS, everything is ultra rare, from jewelrycrafting mats to even stupid silly things like clam alchemy mats.
ZOS has one-up'ed us in terms of mindless grinds and stupid rare drops.

Literally the only saving grace regarding furnishing plans was when ZOS introduced the blue and purple documents for Vvardenfell like a year after release .. CWC still hasn't gotten any documents for sale, and the plans are stupid rare.

When Summerset releases with these stupid rare Summerset plans and new stupid rare Jewelry furnishing plans, I'll keep ignoring it altogether, and not buy a single Summerset house. If we get Summerset plan documents, like a year after release again, I will buy some Summerset homes and decorate them, but until then I'm sure as heck not going to bother with furnishing plans that has lower droprate than Mythic Ambrosia recipes and cost upwards to a million gold at guild traders.

In this game you can get your endgame golden equipment in a single day with a bit of farming, while you can barely get a purple furnishing plan to create a stupid fluff item for your house in weeks.

elantaura

On furnishing I agree, Ironically it prevented me from spending I was geared to buy every house in morrowind untill they kept not releasing the furniture. I bought Tel galen with high hopes and waited.and waaaiteddd and zzzzzz...zzzZZZ

Ironically In that time I had time to think I really dont need another dark elf house and never bought anymore - i never spent those crowns. except a few hundred I spent on two items "after" i got plans and furnished Tel galen. By holding out I spent less lol. I didnt give up easy farming I spent 3 months trying in tombs every day and stealing on 5 characters, I got the whole boyant arminger motif farmed 4800 writ vouchers ironically-but no furniture. I got purple non morrowind recipes. and I took a break as it was pointless and unrewarding. I came back properly for the recipes.

They lost money by delaying for me, i dont think im alone in this either. Im really hoping that they do not do that again. I won't fall for buying there limited edition house in crowns and not be able to decorate it this time. no way
Ill be reading these forums for drop rates before I spend once bitten twice shy.

FakeFox

"Tumor Tower"

Katahdin

@MornaBaine

I was also very very disappointed with the Morrowind furniture plans.

Were you aware that they made the Morrowind furniture plans available for writ vouchers? It's still RNG but you can get them. They are more available and the prices have come down considerably to the point where they are obtainable now.

So I am no longer as salty about it.

MornaBaine

FakeFox wrote: »

"Tumor Tower"

Well, it's accurate....and one of the nicest things said about it. I'll never forget my friend that said it looked like a diseased... male member. Yeah, we'll go with "male member"... tho that's not exactly what he said. >.>

MornaBaine

Katahdin wrote: »

@MornaBaine

I was also very very disappointed with the Morrowind furniture plans.

Were you aware that they made the Morrowind furniture plans available for writ vouchers? It's still RNG but you can get them. They are more available and the prices have come down considerably to the point where they are obtainable now.

So I am no longer as salty about it.

I literally just found that out. LOL Here's hoping they will at least do that much with Summerset from jump and not wait a year like with Morrowind.

Nelson_Rebel

While I think "ruined" is a bit strong of wording here with everything else being added


I can definitely agree about furnishing drop rates being abysmaly low.

I love everything Morrowind related with Furnishings and styles, but due to the drop rates I spent days doing dailies and got maybe 1 or 2 actual styles learned


I subsequently gave up after that lol. I did not spend the crowns for the styles either, as I dont think any style to craft is worth 40 dollars lol

That is the price of an entire game or an expansion for a game, certainly not a single style inside of an entire game

Hoolielulu

Damn you for mentioning The Sims.

Now I feel like a stupidhead for doing crafting writs in Craglorn when I could have been doing them in Vvardenfell. Can you hear my cries? Because I'm crying pretty loudly.

A guild member bought Tumor Tower (nice!) to put motif stations into. Of all the houses in all of Tamriel why that one? WHY?!

Chaos2088

Could not agree more!

I do not like being a negative bunny, but the marketing and pricing of this game is just outstanding bad. Most of the crown store items are an automatic no due to the price, I don't even bother looking there much anymore.

NoTimeToWait

You don't need furnishing plans to be able to furnish your house. Furniture is available from guild traders (considering an average item price 2-2.5k gold PC-EU, you would need 1.5 mil to furnish a manor or notable house, which is a lot, but not unreachable in a month time). On the other hand if you want to have freedom to make your own furniture... Well, you have to farm.

I admit, that I found only a handful of rare purple furnishing plans in the wild during my travels. This is why I never farmed diagrams, but gold instead to be able to buy the diagrams I need. Because of the very high price I had to be deliberate about what I want to be able to craft myself, and what diagrams I can get on without.

P.S. I agree that Morrowind diagrams drop rate was a tad too small. Though now the situation is ok with additional availability via Writ Vouchers

Stewart1874

I do feel there is a hard divide between content I sleepwalk through and then content I flat out cannot do. It would be nice for stuff to hit more middle ground territory. How you get there is another story though.

Sting864

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't really play your game anymore, which you should know for starters.

Please, please, PLEASE do NOT ruin Summerset for me the same way you ruined Morrowind. I'm literally begging you here.

Read that again... And tell me how persuasive that is... Leading with "I don't play... but I want to whine about something" is not going to do much convincing... I prefer challenging blueprints... or hard rewards... If everything were as easy to get as they are on the PTS, what fun would that be??

SydneyGrey

I came in prepared to disagree with the O.P., but I found myself agreeing with at least one of his points.
I don't even bother trying to farm Vvardenfell-specific blueprints, because they ARE way too rare. I've done that entire questline twice, been all over the island multiple times, looted everything, and never found a single one. Not one.

I do wish that people who don't play ESO stay off the forums, though. No one wants some disgruntled, negative ex-player coming back to poison the forums over and over again. I mean, I don't play Sims 4 any more because it was constantly disappointing, but I don't haunt their forums to complain about it now that I don't play.

Sting864

MornaBaine wrote: »

So what DO I give you my subscription money for? Roleplay in the Elder Scrolls setting. The pretty graphics. Player Housing. Yep, that's pretty much it... I still enjoy your far more expensive version of The Sims that I can play with friends.

I think DLC like housing is far more useful than just for playing SIMS. Did you know that that FREE apartment that came with the Housing DLC allows you to port to it for FREE from any PvE location in Tamriel? (Wow.... The greed is strong here...)
Thanks ZOS...

Anotherone773

Sting864 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't really play your game anymore, which you should know for starters.

Please, please, PLEASE do NOT ruin Summerset for me the same way you ruined Morrowind. I'm literally begging you here.

Read that again... And tell me how persuasive that is... Leading with "I don't play... but I want to whine about something" is not going to do much convincing... I prefer challenging blueprints... or hard rewards... If everything were as easy to get as they are on the PTS, what fun would that be??

I agree, leads with " i dont play anymore" and then proceeds to tell us how everything in the game is to much effort. Like you, i prefer rewards that i have to work for. Recipes are not that hard to acquire. I have about 25% of all furniture recipes and ive only been playing since christmas. if i wanted to acquire them faster i could just buy them off guild traders.

Marginis

Why I have an RP guild and don't focus on combat. It would be nice to have some variable difficulty in the game, or a different mode of combat other than a loop of pressing buttons in a certain order (which is exactly as exciting as auto-attacking, it just requires more attention).

MornaBaine

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I came in prepared to disagree with the O.P., but I found myself agreeing with at least one of his points.
I don't even bother trying to farm Vvardenfell-specific blueprints, because they ARE way too rare. I've done that entire questline twice, been all over the island multiple times, looted everything, and never found a single one. Not one.

I do wish that people who don't play ESO stay off the forums, though. No one wants some disgruntled, negative ex-player coming back to poison the forums over and over again. I mean, I don't play Sims 4 any more because it was constantly disappointing, but I don't haunt their forums to complain about it now that I don't play.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I came in prepared to disagree with the O.P., but I found myself agreeing with at least one of his points.
I don't even bother trying to farm Vvardenfell-specific blueprints, because they ARE way too rare. I've done that entire questline twice, been all over the island multiple times, looted everything, and never found a single one. Not one.

I do wish that people who don't play ESO stay off the forums, though. No one wants some disgruntled, negative ex-player coming back to poison the forums over and over again. I mean, I don't play Sims 4 any more because it was constantly disappointing, but I don't haunt their forums to complain about it now that I don't play.

When I say I "don't play" that doesn't mean I'm not logging in. I also maintain a sub. Indeed I used to maintain three...now I am down to one. I am probably in game nearly every day. I harvest and do dailies to make gold. I roleplay with my friends and various roleplay guilds. I just don't bother to quest which is sad because I used to really enjoy it. I was happy when 1 Tam hit because it meant I got to do more fresh quests. But now all quests are numbingly easy and offer no rewards worth having. I don't do "end game" because it's at the opposite end of the spectrum and is both frustrating AND boring. There are still things about the game I enjoy and participate in. But the actual GAMEPLAY is no longer among them. I'm asking Zeno to stop ruining the few things I still like.

Edziu

Sting864 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't really play your game anymore, which you should know for starters.

Please, please, PLEASE do NOT ruin Summerset for me the same way you ruined Morrowind. I'm literally begging you here.

Read that again... And tell me how persuasive that is... Leading with "I don't play... but I want to whine about something" is not going to do much convincing... I prefer challenging blueprints... or hard rewards... If everything were as easy to get as they are on the PTS, what fun would that be??

do you even thought someone just love...loved this game and was very happy while playing it but then ZO$ added something *** for which we have example in 1st post and things like this just ruing someone gamplay and here we are.someone who someo just quitted because of stupid changes, things added stupidlu and want to share own thoughs about this on forum what ZO$ just *** while asking to fix it or add something not *** like this to get again reason to play in this game

do you have seed big storm about just morrowind sustain changes? you can see even for today active thread how bad was this change with still reqesting to "reroll" this change

tl;dr
someone quitted because of bad changes and asking for fix them to get reson to play again in this game

even just look on agree in 1st post, how many people agree with it like with many other things with which ZO$ jsut heading in very very bad way annyoing more and more players with their changes

Sting864

MornaBaine wrote: »

the actual GAMEPLAY is no longer among them. I'm asking Zeno to stop ruining the few things I still like.

Why would GAMEPLAY be limited to only combat-oriented activities?? You play every time you log in... you just don't FIGHT every time you log in...

Arobain

Werewolf quest had never been difficult

Mettaricana

Im sharpening my spoon for the next undoable trial