still dieing in 2 sec after a billions hours playtime

festher

pzschrek wrote: »

I remember what that's like, OP.

Another piece of advice is build tanks at first. I seriously wore heavy julianos and pirate skell chudan etc as magsorc. it won't work long term to make you really good, but I found going tanky gave me the buffer to learn how to survive a little bit and learn my combos. You won't kill much that way but I learned In a way I couldn't when I was getting 2 shotted all the time.

I think thats a good idea. im going 7 heavy, the lord, hp food etc. all i need to do is feel like i actually make a difference. spaming trees or something, anything. for more than 2 sec!

festher

jabrone77 wrote: »

Watch a build that fits your style.
Get your cp's higher.
Farm the gear for that build.
Get the correct traits on your gear.
Practice practice practice.
These are the steps.
PvP has a high learning curve, but if you're not willing to learn it, you will have a bad time.

Hope this helps.

i know you are right but i think there should be room for fun-pvp from the start. im lvl 50 in puple, 5 medium and 150 cp.and i live 1-2 sec in battlegrounds where cp dosent even matter. thats not pvp made right imo.

pzschrek

Pick a regen mundus then. To me that's a "tanky" choice...because at first you die because you get 2 shotted and don't know what to do and don't have gear...the next pvp progression step is getting roflstomped because you're always out of resources

festher

Feanor wrote: »

The OP is like going to a shooting contest with his old rifle from 1785 when everyone else has a high precision modern rifle, and then complaining he comes in last. Nothing to do with PvP really.

the OP want fun-pvp in battlegrounds without perfect set items and impen etc. i dont see how thats a bad idea

MurderMostFoul

I you want to enjoy PvP, the best thing to focus on first is getting your character to a competitive baseline. Your checklist:

CP160
2 to 3 item sets of Purple gear (blue jewelry if necessary)
At least 1200 impen

The above list is not that high a bar. Just knock it out and then you can enter PvP without being at a massive and un-fun disadvantage. Once you've checked off these items, go to non-CP pvp activities. (BGs will give you the most opportunities to hone your skills)

ESO's PvP is a lot of fun. It's worth the effort to complete this list so you can start enjoying yourself.

festher

pzschrek wrote: »

Pick a regen mundus then. To me that's a "tanky" choice...because at first you die because you get 2 shotted and don't know what to do and don't have gear...the next pvp progression step is getting roflstomped because you're always out of resources

yes at this point im just happy if i manage to spend my resources before i die.

how much does heavy actually mitigate damage compared to light. is Impen the only real wat of getting tanky in pvp?

raasdal

Hey OP,

Your main problem, is that you need to accept that PvP requires 100% different gear than PvE. And i am not even talking about Impen. I am talking about your choice of gear.

You are dying in 1-2 secs because you are a glass cannon. Your CP has nothing to do with it. Impen is NOT as mother-of-all important as its made out to be. But you have too little health, and too little resistance to survive anywhere outside a zerg, untill you have better skills.

I am guessing you have no more than maybe 20k Health ? In medium armor? Unless you are highly skilled and know what you are doing, you are SUPPOSED to die in 1-2 seconds in current meta.

The solution is very easy. As someone else mentioned, you need to go in as a tank. Equip something like;

2 x Troll King
5 x Green Pact
5 x Whatever you want for damage / sustain
Use Gold Food - Bear Haunch
Use Lingering Health + Speed Potion

It should be Impen and purple. Weapons should be gold. But to begin with, if you just need to live longer, you can go blue gear and purple weapons. Will not mean much for your survivability, but will make it difficult to kill anyone.

With above equipped, you will be very hard to kill, and you will be able to improve your PvP gameplay, without dying too quickly.

IF you insist on going to PvP "casually" with the same gear and setup you use to PvE with, then i am sorry to tell you, that will simply not work, unless you are highly skilled at PvP, or you are in a Zerg. If you COULD do that, the PvP experience would be horrible for everyone else, because it would mean that it was an utterly skill-less PvP environment which did not reward effort and skill. You do not have the skills. Ergo, you NEED to put in the effort. In your case, the effort is to equip correct gear.

Kel

festher wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Watch a build that fits your style.
Get your cp's higher.
Farm the gear for that build.
Get the correct traits on your gear.
Practice practice practice.
These are the steps.
PvP has a high learning curve, but if you're not willing to learn it, you will have a bad time.

Hope this helps.

i know you are right but i think there should be room for fun-pvp from the start. im lvl 50 in puple, 5 medium and 150 cp.and i live 1-2 sec in battlegrounds where cp dosent even matter. thats not pvp made right imo.

All I'm trying to say is what "you want" isn't how the game works.
You can want that all you like, but that doesn't change the reality of what is. Players take PvP seriously...just because you apparently don't isn't going to help your situation.
CP's are just a small part of it. Gear and skill have alot more to do with it, especially in battlegrounds.
Seems like you want the rewards without putting in any effort. Not going to work like that..your wants don't trump what's reality.
Sorry..

thedude33

yes, gear is important. The right gear even more important. CPs are a big help also.

.... but some of you are seriously over emphasizing gear. The #1 most important thing is skill. Knowing your class. Knowing your rotation so you can hit your keys instinctively in the dark ..no hesitation. Knowing the other classes. etc etc etc

The best players could enter Cyrodil in green armor with 0 CPs and wreck a n00b like myself in gold gear and maxxed CP. Nothing is more important than game knowledge and ability.

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CyrusArya

thedude33 wrote: »

yes, gear is important. The right gear even more important. CPs are a big help also.

.... but some of you are seriously over emphasizing gear. The #1 most important thing is skill. Knowing your class. Knowing your rotation so you can hit your keys instinctively in the dark ..no hesitation. Knowing the other classes. etc etc etc

The best players could enter Cyrodil in green armor with 0 CPs and wreck a n00b like myself in gold gear and maxxed CP. Nothing is more important than game knowledge and ability.

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While I agree with you on principle, skill/knowledge is the most important thing, when it comes to fights between players within a standard deviation of skill if you will, gear becomes dramatically and drastically more important. Also even the most skilled players won’t be very effective with gimped gear. Success is contingent on both, and I’d say properly gearing yourself to meet your needs is half the game. Knowing what gear to run and why, and how to leverage the strength of that build and understanding its limitations is part and parcel with this ambiguous concept of “skill”.

thedude33

Everyone will have an opinion on what the ratio is between gear and ability that decides the outcome of a fight. I agree between players that are somewhat close in ability that gear matters more.

I would suggest it is 75% skill vs 25% gear. I think many underestimate how bad some players like myself are. I stand by my green gear with no CPs would beat me in a 1v1 when I have 600 CPs and purple/gold gear/weapons.

SugaComa

It's a bit of crap shoot is PvP ... Impending is so important it's more or less the only trait run in PvP ... I tried running all devines but with few healers and heals being so poor in cyrodil I needed to buff up, so I went all heavy and all devines even that was bad, in the end I went back to light all impen.

I feel my build is losing its uniqueness due to the limitations of diversity forced upon us by bad balance

Personally I'm at a stage now where I feel traits should be tied into the CP trees ... Example

Lord trait ... Buffs all CP in the lord tree by an additional 5%

Having two won't increase by ten as these too should have diminishing returns if stacked however the percentage the traits gives is increased the lower your CP so as to give some balance to lower CP players V high CP players

Kel

jabrone77 wrote: »

festher wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Watch a build that fits your style.
Get your cp's higher.
Farm the gear for that build.
Get the correct traits on your gear.
Practice practice practice.
These are the steps.
PvP has a high learning curve, but if you're not willing to learn it, you will have a bad time.

Hope this helps.

i know you are right but i think there should be room for fun-pvp from the start. im lvl 50 in puple, 5 medium and 150 cp.and i live 1-2 sec in battlegrounds where cp dosent even matter. thats not pvp made right imo.

All I'm trying to say is what "you want" isn't how the game works.
You can want that all you like, but that doesn't change the reality of what is. Players take PvP seriously...just because you apparently don't isn't going to help your situation.
CP's are just a small part of it. Gear and skill have alot more to do with it, especially in battlegrounds.
Seems like you want the rewards without putting in any effort. Not going to work like that..your wants don't trump what's reality.
Sorry..

thedude33 wrote: »

yes, gear is important. The right gear even more important. CPs are a big help also.

.... but some of you are seriously over emphasizing gear. The #1 most important thing is skill. Knowing your class. Knowing your rotation so you can hit your keys instinctively in the dark ..no hesitation. Knowing the other classes. etc etc etc

The best players could enter Cyrodil in green armor with 0 CPs and wreck a n00b like myself in gold gear and maxxed CP. Nothing is more important than game knowledge and ability.

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CPs

I literally said skill was more important than cp's....

Waffennacht

BGs are not new player friendly - at least not above 50.

That's where a ton of good players play, especially with the AP changes.

So not only are you more often than not, going to face better players, you're going at it with really really.... Really bad gear.

You're missing 200 wpn/spell dmg from purp weapons

You're taking 20% more damage from critical attacks

And... I guarantee you, your allies are just leaving you the moment they see how squishy you are.

It's really the worst of all worlds

Rohamad_Ali

Group up #1 with a friendly guild that takes in pugs for training . CP150 is like painting a target on your forehead for every Vicious Death carrying nightblade wanting a good catalyst . Strength in numbers when leveling and learning . Wish you luck !

Koensol

festher wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

The OP is like going to a shooting contest with his old rifle from 1785 when everyone else has a high precision modern rifle, and then complaining he comes in last. Nothing to do with PvP really.

the OP want fun-pvp in battlegrounds without perfect set items and impen etc. i dont see how thats a bad idea

Give me a break please. In this game all you need is to craft a set of impen gear to already be somewhat competitive. ESO is nothing like other themepark MMO's such as SWTOR that have entire tiers of gear you need to farm different tokens for. In ESO it ia ridiculously easy to set up a build.

The_Brosteen

Thogard wrote: »

LaveniaRose wrote: »

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd actually suggest zerg surfing a bit in Sotha or Shor. Its not going to help you learn your class at all. But it might help with recognizing other builds, when players move into battle versus withdraw. If you're dying in two shots in battlegrounds, taking a step back to observe for a bit might help.

That is the path to the dark side...

Only in small scale No CP BGs can OP stay true to the light and that which is good.

Nah op can small scale with the 900 other solo players in his faction who just so happened to all show up at the same keep

The_Brosteen

festher wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

billions hours playtime...
What a BS this person is.

lol wtf - a new player, no friends, no guild and 5 characters from 30-50 take some of us a billion hours

That would mean that on average you gain less than 1xp per hour of game play.

Impressive.

Thunderknuckles

Thogard wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

You are supposed to learn PvP in the below level 50 campaign don't know what to say if you didn't do that

I learned PvP in Sotha (before it was called Sotha) and then BGs. Still learning it in Vivec and BGs. I never played the under 50 campaign

Man, don't know if that would help you. I've only done Cyro and Imperial City, but have been told that below 50 PvP is rife with players who basically keep toons in all legendary gear in there just to stomp mud holes in new players. For example, they level a toon to 50 in there and then delete and start over. Trolls, basically.

I know it's a grind, but believe me, if you hang in there you'll start seeing a marked difference in your survivability. Or...you could just go stam Warden and you'll be 1vX'ing by level 15. (Mostly kidding =D )

thedude33

jabrone77 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

festher wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Watch a build that fits your style.
Get your cp's higher.
Farm the gear for that build.
Get the correct traits on your gear.
Practice practice practice.
These are the steps.
PvP has a high learning curve, but if you're not willing to learn it, you will have a bad time.

Hope this helps.

i know you are right but i think there should be room for fun-pvp from the start. im lvl 50 in puple, 5 medium and 150 cp.and i live 1-2 sec in battlegrounds where cp dosent even matter. thats not pvp made right imo.

All I'm trying to say is what "you want" isn't how the game works.
You can want that all you like, but that doesn't change the reality of what is. Players take PvP seriously...just because you apparently don't isn't going to help your situation.
CP's are just a small part of it. Gear and skill have alot more to do with it, especially in battlegrounds.
Seems like you want the rewards without putting in any effort. Not going to work like that..your wants don't trump what's reality.
Sorry..

thedude33 wrote: »

yes, gear is important. The right gear even more important. CPs are a big help also.

.... but some of you are seriously over emphasizing gear. The #1 most important thing is skill. Knowing your class. Knowing your rotation so you can hit your keys instinctively in the dark ..no hesitation. Knowing the other classes. etc etc etc

The best players could enter Cyrodil in green armor with 0 CPs and wreck a n00b like myself in gold gear and maxxed CP. Nothing is more important than game knowledge and ability.

Skill/Knowledge
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Gear
CPs

I literally said skill was more important than cp's....

Yes you did. Not only did you say skill was more important than CPs, you literally said it.

I mentioned both CPs and gear, but I talked more about gear .. literally. Skill more important than BOTH.

Jeremy

festher wrote: »

im only lvl 150 stamden and wear purple training gear. but why do i have to be so utter USLESS in PVP/battlegrounds. i get hit 1-2 times and the death recap says 5-7 times and i have no lag. anyway i think the requierments for pvp is stupidly high. i read about inpen and heavy armor weaving and so on, but still. purple training gear from dungeons shouldnt be like running around butt naked. and it is in this game.

same goes for my lvl 30 magblade and stamblade and 40 magdk. ussless in pvp all of them. f this.

Festher, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but impenetrable does not make you impenetrable. A lot of newer players hold out hope that if they can just get together a PvP set with impenetrable on it they will stop dying in seconds.

Sadly it doesn't.

I and everyone else I see in Cyrodil continue to die in seconds no matter what their gear is - no matter how much "practice" or "skill" they supposedly have. So unless you belong to one of these elite squadrons of awesome PvPers supposedly teeming through-out this forum - get used to dying fast because realistically it's going to keep happening.

"Sometimes You’re the Windscreen, Sometimes You’re the Fly"

This saying pretty much sums up ESO PvP perfectly.