still dieing in 2 sec after a billions hours playtime

festher

im only lvl 150 stamden and wear purple training gear. but why do i have to be so utter USLESS in PVP/battlegrounds. i get hit 1-2 times and the death recap says 5-7 times and i have no lag. anyway i think the requierments for pvp is stupidly high. i read about inpen and heavy armor weaving and so on, but still. purple training gear from dungeons shouldnt be like running around butt naked. and it is in this game.

same goes for my lvl 30 magblade and stamblade and 40 magdk. ussless in pvp all of them. f this.

poietin

If you have read about impen, then you should definitely wear impen gear. You are not fighting NPCs.

casparian

The death recap doesn't show what killed you necessarily, just the last 5ish damage sources that hit you. Just because something shows up on your death recap, it doesn't mean it hit you in the last 2 seconds.

I actually agree with you that players shouldn't be punished so harshly for not having Impen gear. I would love to see Battle Spirit add something like 1k crit resist. This would make the game slightly easier on new players and open up slightly more build diversity for vet players.

But honestly, you're complaining that you're losing even though you're unwilling to build for success (wear impen). Throw on full impen and get some practice in; you'll get better soon.

festher

its not that i dont want to but i need to focus getting to 160 atleast and therefor waear training gear and do dungeons/quests. but as you said, new players are punished way to hard here. it should be someward fun to pvp at any giving time. they tried using scalling to balance lvl 25 with 45 and it didnt work at all.

even if i get inpen my gear is outdated quickly so its no use and i would suggest all new players to stay with training gear as much as possible but honest also stay the hell away from pvp for a VERY long time.

SirAndy

festher wrote: »

its not that i dont want to but i need to focus getting to 160 atleast and therefor waear training gear and do dungeons/quests. but as you said, new players are punished way to hard here. it should be someward fun to pvp at any giving time. they tried using scalling to balance lvl 25 with 45 and it didnt work at all.
even if i get inpen my gear is outdated quickly so its no use and i would suggest all new players to stay with training gear as much as possible but honest also stay the hell away from pvp for a VERY long time.

I have a character that used to be dedicated for PvP only and i took her to Cyrodiil at level 10 and leveled her to VR16 (yes, back when VR was still a thing) exclusively in PvP.

It's not impossible to compete in PvP below CP160, in fact it can be loads of fun, but you will have to adapt to the environment, otherwise your experience will be much more like what you describe.

Thunderknuckles

Festher, get the frick out of that training gear and get into some Impen. It will make a world of difference. Your level matters, too. Without at least some Impenetrable gear other players will cut through you like soft butter.

Dudis

Spend the few hours it would take you to hit CP 160, get some proper max level gear and glyphs. Doesn't need to be anything amazing but at least try to keep some sort of coherent theme going, play on no-cp campaign or BGs.

That's basically all of your issues fixed right there. Rest is on you.

Thogard

What server are you on? If you’re on PC NA, message me @thogard and I can give you some pointers. AFAIK I’m the top active BG stamden on the server since joshlenoir is allergic to No CP, trinotops is on magden, goblin is on sorc or stamblade, and Kodi is on his Stamblade, and luh44 stopped queueing, and bentententen started using ESO for eRP sessions exclusively, and-competence’s mom cut his internet connection, and donjay never had a stamden but probably wants to see his name here anyway.

WillhelmBlack

"billions hours playtime"

OP is CP150 and has played since Morrowind.

Arobain

You are supposed to learn PvP in the below level 50 campaign don't know what to say if you didn't do that

Thogard

Arobain wrote: »

You are supposed to learn PvP in the below level 50 campaign don't know what to say if you didn't do that

I learned PvP in Sotha (before it was called Sotha) and then BGs. Still learning it in Vivec and BGs. I never played the under 50 campaign

Most_Awesome

Thogard wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

You are supposed to learn PvP in the below level 50 campaign don't know what to say if you didn't do that

I learned PvP in Sotha (before it was called Sotha) and then BGs. Still learning it in Vivec and BGs. I never played the under 50 campaign

Plus there is still tryhards in non vet with golded out gear so would have exactly the same outcome.

Op needs to grind to 160 get impen gear and play in non cp campaign or BG's

Vaoh

SirAndy wrote: »

festher wrote: »

its not that i dont want to but i need to focus getting to 160 atleast and therefor waear training gear and do dungeons/quests. but as you said, new players are punished way to hard here. it should be someward fun to pvp at any giving time. they tried using scalling to balance lvl 25 with 45 and it didnt work at all.
even if i get inpen my gear is outdated quickly so its no use and i would suggest all new players to stay with training gear as much as possible but honest also stay the hell away from pvp for a VERY long time.

I have a character that used to be dedicated for PvP only and i took her to Cyrodiil at level 10 and leveled her to VR16 (yes, back when VR was still a thing) exclusively in PvP.

It's not impossible to compete in PvP below CP160, in fact it can be loads of fun, but you will have to adapt to the environment, otherwise your experience will be much more like what you describe.

The game has changed drastically since then. No valid comparison can be made.

DDuke

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

"billions hours playtime"

OP is CP150 and has played since Morrowind.

1,000,000,000 Hours =114,079.458625 Years

:thinking:

SirAndy

Vaoh wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I have a character that used to be dedicated for PvP only and i took her to Cyrodiil at level 10 and leveled her to VR16 (yes, back when VR was still a thing) exclusively in PvP.
It's not impossible to compete in PvP below CP160, in fact it can be loads of fun, but you will have to adapt to the environment, otherwise your experience will be much more like what you describe.

The game has changed drastically since then. No valid comparison can be made.

I agree with the change thing, it's much easier now compared to back then.
There was no level scaling and getting from 10 to VR ranks exclusively in Cyrodiil was brutal.

DoctorESO

festher wrote: »

im only lvl 150 stamden and wear purple training gear. but why do i have to be so utter USLESS in PVP/battlegrounds. i get hit 1-2 times and the death recap says 5-7 times and i have no lag. anyway i think the requierments for pvp is stupidly high. i read about inpen and heavy armor weaving and so on, but still. purple training gear from dungeons shouldnt be like running around butt naked. and it is in this game.

same goes for my lvl 30 magblade and stamblade and 40 magdk. ussless in pvp all of them. f this.

You can't be level 150 in this game. 50 is the maximum level. That's when you start getting champion points.

Vaoh

SirAndy wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I have a character that used to be dedicated for PvP only and i took her to Cyrodiil at level 10 and leveled her to VR16 (yes, back when VR was still a thing) exclusively in PvP.
It's not impossible to compete in PvP below CP160, in fact it can be loads of fun, but you will have to adapt to the environment, otherwise your experience will be much more like what you describe.

The game has changed drastically since then. No valid comparison can be made.

I agree with the change thing, it's much easier now compared to back then.
There was no level scaling and getting from 10 to VR ranks exclusively in Cyrodiil was brutal.

What I meant was, back then you didn’t get two-shot as a low level, and the overall skill level of players wasn’t so high.

People weren’t nearly as good and player characters could not put out burst like they can now. At least that’s my experience on console. Low levels get absolutely slaughtered.

HazelRose

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd actually suggest zerg surfing a bit in Sotha or Shor. Its not going to help you learn your class at all. But it might help with recognizing other builds, when players move into battle versus withdraw. If you're dying in two shots in battlegrounds, taking a step back to observe for a bit might help.

heng14rwb17_ESO

billions hours playtime...
What a BS this person is.

thedude33

Get to level 160 and geared up properly. You will last longer than 2 seconds. Likely even last 4 seconds if you're lucky. PvP is very unforgiving that's for sure.

TarrNokk

There is no trait more useless than "training".
"Divines" pushes your boon, "Impen" gives you crit resistance (useless in pve)...just look for the traits.

Besides: pvp in ESO no easy, even with best gear.

Betsararie

That is incredible that you were able to play a billions hours of playtime and yet still are dying that fast.

Thogard

LaveniaRose wrote: »

This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd actually suggest zerg surfing a bit in Sotha or Shor. Its not going to help you learn your class at all. But it might help with recognizing other builds, when players move into battle versus withdraw. If you're dying in two shots in battlegrounds, taking a step back to observe for a bit might help.

That is the path to the dark side...

Only in small scale No CP BGs can OP stay true to the light and that which is good.

Septimus_Magna

More CP will allow you to put more points into dmg reduction and crit resist.
So you'll easily take 15-20% less dmg from all attacks.

Without impen you basically have the resist of a potato, especially in light or medium armor.

Purple quality gear doesnt mean as much as you might think.
Blue impen easily outperforms gold training gear in pvp.

Stamina Wardens have really strong and tanky heavy armor builds, watch some videos and understand why certain skills and item sets are used. Kodi has some good build videos on YT, Alcast also has a good website (alcasthq.com) with pvp builds.

To become good you'll first need to understand which combinations work.
After that, practice a lot!

TheMystid

Clickbait.

Feanor

The OP is like going to a shooting contest with his old rifle from 1785 when everyone else has a high precision modern rifle, and then complaining he comes in last. Nothing to do with PvP really.

IlCanis_LupuslI

i ran into a few players who were new in BGs with my 4 man WW-group.....
I felt sorry for the poor guys, my K/D ratio was 28:0 in that match

Merlin13KAGL

TarrNokk wrote: »

There is no trait more useless than "training".
"Divines" pushes your boon, "Impen" gives you crit resistance (useless in pve)...just look for the traits.

Besides: pvp in ESO no easy, even with best gear.

"Invigorating" would like a word...

Gotta agree on the Impen recommended here, it will help considerably. There are a number of builds you can try to make things a bit easier too, give you more surviveability and whatnot. You can also swap to heavy and work on just surviving at first, focusing on providing damage and support as a secondary objective.

BG's will get better with next patch, as you won't be getting put up against premades as much. Doesn't mean you're never going to find the occasional solo that doesn't simply wreck you.

I'm assuming your build is a general one (for PvE). Compared to dedicated PvP builds, it's always going to be a bit harder.

And I hate to state the obvious, but don't forget to block, dodge, etc. It's easy when first starting out to kind of freeze up when combat happens. Even if you go down, always make them earn it.

Good luck.

Kel

festher wrote: »

im only lvl 150 stamden and wear purple training gear. but why do i have to be so utter USLESS in PVP/battlegrounds. i get hit 1-2 times and the death recap says 5-7 times and i have no lag. anyway i think the requierments for pvp is stupidly high. i read about inpen and heavy armor weaving and so on, but still. purple training gear from dungeons shouldnt be like running around butt naked. and it is in this game.

same goes for my lvl 30 magblade and stamblade and 40 magdk. ussless in pvp all of them. f this.

If you're expecting to just show up in PvP without doing the basic things necessary to give yourself a chance to survive, yes, you will have a horrendous time. PvP has rules, just like any other game mode. PvP has sets/skills/traits that help with PvP. Training might help you in PvE, but in PvP it makes you a very easy kill. That's just how it is, that's the rules of the game. It sounds like you don't want to play by the rules, and you're saying it's not fair because of it. Not true. It's your choice if you want to run around in purple training gear, but it's a bad choice with very predictable results. You can't expect to "win" if you're not doing the necessary things to "win". Just showing up isn't enough. Research some builds, farm the right sets, get the right traits. You'll see a major upswing in your effectiveness and enjoyment in PvP. Make no mistake, you'll still die...alot...that's what PvP is, after all. But you might be able to take a few out with you, at least.

Not only that but you are too low (cp150) in CP's unless you are going in no cp campaigns. The bonuses to stats and resource recovery really make a difference in cp enabled campaigns. And even then, unless you're running sets with 5 or 4 piece bonuses you aren't really going to be that effective. I'd suggest trying PvP around 250, 300 cp's. You can do it before that, of course, but you have to go into it knowing you are at a major disadvantage. Unless you're 720, you probably won't take down a 720 without help or unless that player is just a potato. Take some time and get your cp's up, then revisit PvP.

If you're not willing to do theses things, then there's no help for you. If you truly wish to be better in PvP, you need to do what's necessary to get to a competent place. Showing up in training gear isn't going to do it, as much as you think it otherwise. That's just reality.

Watch a build that fits your style.
Get your cp's higher.
Farm the gear for that build.
Get the correct traits on your gear.
Practice practice practice.
These are the steps.
PvP has a high learning curve, but if you're not willing to learn it, you will have a bad time.

Hope this helps.

festher

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

billions hours playtime...
What a BS this person is.

lol wtf - a new player, no friends, no guild and 5 characters from 30-50 take some of us a billion hours

pzschrek

I remember what that's like, OP.

Another piece of advice is build tanks at first. I seriously wore heavy julianos and pirate skell chudan etc as magsorc. it won't work long term to make you really good, but I found going tanky gave me the buffer to learn how to survive a little bit and learn my combos. You won't kill much that way but I learned In a way I couldn't when I was getting 2 shotted all the time.