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Please separate medium armor and sneak
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you know how many whiney NBs are gonna be if they have to grind anything PVE, let alone the core of their class, the point of being a NB, the stealth?Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs! -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’ve suggested this multiple times, get ready for all the flood of “NO” posts. I even suggested moving it to legerdemain where it belongs so that in terms of sneaking ability nothing would change. Currently as it stands medium and heavy can borrow from the first three light passives if they choose and light and medium can borrow from the first three heavy passives if they so choose. But both light and heavy can also borrow from the 5th medium passive. Given this, medium armor’s only unique passive is agility, and we have one passive that’s useless in battle, the sneak passive. This is why medium armor suffers in PvP. -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As a nightblade main, I fully support this. Give medium something that benefits in pve combat instead of stupid stealth tied into it. Move it to legerdemain. That's where it belongs. To further keep class fantasy intact, let armor weight affect it's effectiveness. Simple change and effective.Edited by Nyladreas on April 14, 2018 3:42AMS'Dahrra of Pellitine [PC] <-> [EU] Blood for the Pact
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Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »I agree 100%. we need a separate "Sneak" skill line.
Only if it allows me to go even faster than 100%ps4eu
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Ladislao✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I said this a while back.
Move it to ledgermain or thieves guild or something.
Give medium something offensive or even defensive.
I don't sneak at all unless I'm on a nb. It's useless for 4/5 of classes.
What a luck, Improved Sneak passive is just something offensive and defensive, depending on the situation. And it is useful for 5/5 classes.Everything is viable -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd fully back this.
However we would then run the issue whilst people in light armour are better at sneaking, so are people in heavy. Fullplate users being as sneaky as light clothed thieves.
Unless they add some kind of weight penalty to the armours.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The medium armor skilline needs to have sneak passive replaced with something like physical penetration passive. Or critical resist.
What? So you want stamina builds to have: The highest amount of damage (weapon damage is easier to stack than spell damage), the highest amount of critical chance (again, stamina builds can stack critical chance easier), the highest amount of penetration (I’m still waiting on a magicka variant of Twice-Fang), AND or have the best form of critical resistances combined with things like racial and class passives? What? Is ESO not already plagued by stamina builds everywhere? -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭no. and this is from someone with currently 2/7 toons wearing medium
Who are you people? You cant just say no and cite your reason as the fact that you wear medium lol. What’s your reasoning? Back it up? Medium currently suffers as the weakest armor type in PvP and it definitely provides less survivability than light for PvE which doesn’t make sense given we’re in melee range. Why should Media have a passive that had nothing to do with endgame builds when light and heavy both have all useful passives?Edited by Vapirko on April 13, 2018 8:41AM -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The medium armor skilline needs to have sneak passive replaced with something like physical penetration passive. Or critical resist.
What? So you want stamina builds to have: The highest amount of damage (weapon damage is easier to stack than spell damage), the highest amount of critical chance (again, stamina builds can stack critical chance easier), the highest amount of penetration (I’m still waiting on a magicka variant of Twice-Fang), AND or have the best form of critical resistances combined with things like racial and class passives? What? Is ESO not already plagued by stamina builds everywhere?
Magicka already has a lot of extra pen via light armor. Instead of having that we have sneak passive, so you want to trade? -
Stabbina✭✭✭My oppinion:- Light clothes often hang loosely around the body. This means that they can easily get stuck when crouching close to objects such as doors, windows, shelves, furniture, etc. Because you really don't want your robe to pull a chair behind your back to the floor, you wouldn't go for loosely draped clothes when trying to be stealthy. Trying to run with a robe might also end in 'face kissing the floor' when you accidentally step on the (long) robe in your hurry.
- Heavy armor weighs more than light or medium armor. It is also more rigid. Because of this, it has a better chance than light or medium armor to prevent sudden death of the person in it when he/she fails to avoid contact with an enemy's weapons. However, since it is more rigid, it hampers movement more than any other armor type. To add insult to injury, the extra weight tends to fatigue you rather fast when trying to run. And of course it is ill-advaced to try and sneak across wooden floors/planks/branches wearing heavy armor as these would probably 'complain loudely' when you do so...
- Medium armor may weigh more than light, but it weighs considerable less than heavy armor. While it is less flexible than light armor, it is way more flexiable than solid heavy armor. Medium armor is tailored to be a snug fit while still allowing for maximum flexability. In short: medium armor is in between pro's and con's for the other 2 armor types and because of this it is the best armor to sneak around in.
While legerdemain is a possible location for 'sneaky' skills, it would mean that heavy armor and light armor's physical properties would suddenly cease to exist when you specialise in it? This is rather hard to believe, so I still prefer it the way it is now: Sneak & medium for a good match.
Just my oppinioin, no better or worse than anybody else's
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My oppinion:- Light clothes often hang loosely around the body. This means that they can easily get stuck when crouching close to objects such as doors, windows, shelves, furniture, etc. Because you really don't want your robe to pull a chair behind your back to the floor, you wouldn't go for loosely draped clothes when trying to be stealthy. Trying to run with a robe might also end in 'face kissing the floor' when you accidentally step on the (long) robe in your hurry.
- Heavy armor weighs more than light or medium armor. It is also more rigid. Because of this, it has a better chance than light or medium armor to prevent sudden death of the person in it when he/she fails to avoid contact with an enemy's weapons. However, since it is more rigid, it hampers movement more than any other armor type. To add insult to injury, the extra weight tends to fatigue you rather fast when trying to run. And of course it is ill-advaced to try and sneak across wooden floors/planks/branches wearing heavy armor as these would probably 'complain loudely' when you do so...
- Medium armor may weigh more than light, but it weighs considerable less than heavy armor. While it is less flexible than light armor, it is way more flexiable than solid heavy armor. Medium armor is tailored to be a snug fit while still allowing for maximum flexability. In short: medium armor is in between pro's and con's for the other 2 armor types and because of this it is the best armor to sneak around in.
While legerdemain is a possible location for 'sneaky' skills, it would mean that heavy armor and light armor's physical properties would suddenly cease to exist when you specialise in it? This is rather hard to believe, so I still prefer it the way it is now: Sneak & medium for a good match.
Just my oppinioin, no better or worse than anybody else's
But we’re talking about combat balance which can’t and doesn’t really equate to irl properties. -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Double post. Seems the lag is also hereEdited by Knootewoot on April 13, 2018 10:30AM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My oppinion:- Light clothes often hang loosely around the body. This means that they can easily get stuck when crouching close to objects such as doors, windows, shelves, furniture, etc. Because you really don't want your robe to pull a chair behind your back to the floor, you wouldn't go for loosely draped clothes when trying to be stealthy. Trying to run with a robe might also end in 'face kissing the floor' when you accidentally step on the (long) robe in your hurry.
- Heavy armor weighs more than light or medium armor. It is also more rigid. Because of this, it has a better chance than light or medium armor to prevent sudden death of the person in it when he/she fails to avoid contact with an enemy's weapons. However, since it is more rigid, it hampers movement more than any other armor type. To add insult to injury, the extra weight tends to fatigue you rather fast when trying to run. And of course it is ill-advaced to try and sneak across wooden floors/planks/branches wearing heavy armor as these would probably 'complain loudely' when you do so...
- Medium armor may weigh more than light, but it weighs considerable less than heavy armor. While it is less flexible than light armor, it is way more flexiable than solid heavy armor. Medium armor is tailored to be a snug fit while still allowing for maximum flexability. In short: medium armor is in between pro's and con's for the other 2 armor types and because of this it is the best armor to sneak around in.
While legerdemain is a possible location for 'sneaky' skills, it would mean that heavy armor and light armor's physical properties would suddenly cease to exist when you specialise in it? This is rather hard to believe, so I still prefer it the way it is now: Sneak & medium for a good match.
Just my oppinioin, no better or worse than anybody else's
I wear light clothes IRL and really... they don't hang loose around the body. I wear jogging jeans, and they are tighter around my legs then any medium army pants.
No, sneaking is done better in clothes and barefooted.
Medium armor should have other passives, like attracting flies or something.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible." -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭I'd fully back this.
However we would then run the issue whilst people in light armour are better at sneaking, so are people in heavy. Fullplate users being as sneaky as light clothed thieves.
Unless they add some kind of weight penalty to the armours.
actually they could. for now the passive give bonus for each piece of medium armor. how about give that same bouns to all light and medium armor piece. while giving only 1/2 of the value for each piece of heavy armor.
also they could add a small bonus, if you are not wearing any sort of shoe, it count as wearing two piece of medium/light armor. so you actually are better at stealth while bare feet, the bonus is not too big so it is not forced upon player. and heavy armor user could get this rather big bonus by taking off their shoe while sneaking around.Edited by lihentian on April 13, 2018 12:53PM -
Violynne✭✭✭✭✭
✭please give medium armor something else, and move stealth line to some other area... people wearing robe should be able to sneak around just as good as people wearing leather. in fact in all elder scroll game you are better off with cloth and no shoe.
You mages barely have enough stamina to stand up, let alone sneak.
Want to sneak? Put away the robe and put on some real armor.
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I said this a while back.
Move it to ledgermain or thieves guild or something.
Give medium something offensive or even defensive.
I don't sneak at all unless I'm on a nb. It's useless for 4/5 of classes.
Its far from useless, I sneak all the time on my magicka DK...but vamp helps a lot in that regard. The only difference is that if I attack from stealth, I cant just run away and hide like a nightblade...but thats ok, because...DK. I suppose I could use invisibility potions...but if that was my preferred playstyle I would just roll a nightblade, I cant stand the run and hide playstyle myself -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I said this a while back.
Move it to ledgermain or thieves guild or something.
Give medium something offensive or even defensive.
I don't sneak at all unless I'm on a nb. It's useless for 4/5 of classes.
What a luck, Improved Sneak passive is just something offensive and defensive, depending on the situation. And it is useful for 5/5 classes.
How is it? Why are you sneaking about as a stam dk? And if you want to, you can still benefit from it from it being in a different tree...Xbox One EU -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, I said this a while back.
Move it to ledgermain or thieves guild or something.
Give medium something offensive or even defensive.
I don't sneak at all unless I'm on a nb. It's useless for 4/5 of classes.
Its far from useless, I sneak all the time on my magicka DK...but vamp helps a lot in that regard. The only difference is that if I attack from stealth, I cant just run away and hide like a nightblade...but thats ok, because...DK. I suppose I could use invisibility potions...but if that was my preferred playstyle I would just roll a nightblade, I cant stand the run and hide playstyle myself
Well firstly - why would your magica DK be in medium? If it isn't then your point is irrelevant.
Secondly, if it was moved to ledgermain it would benefit all, not just propel using medium. So it would actually benefit your magica DK.Xbox One EU -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »My oppinion:- Light clothes often hang loosely around the body. This means that they can easily get stuck when crouching close to objects such as doors, windows, shelves, furniture, etc. Because you really don't want your robe to pull a chair behind your back to the floor, you wouldn't go for loosely draped clothes when trying to be stealthy. Trying to run with a robe might also end in 'face kissing the floor' when you accidentally step on the (long) robe in your hurry.
- Heavy armor weighs more than light or medium armor. It is also more rigid. Because of this, it has a better chance than light or medium armor to prevent sudden death of the person in it when he/she fails to avoid contact with an enemy's weapons. However, since it is more rigid, it hampers movement more than any other armor type. To add insult to injury, the extra weight tends to fatigue you rather fast when trying to run. And of course it is ill-advaced to try and sneak across wooden floors/planks/branches wearing heavy armor as these would probably 'complain loudely' when you do so...
- Medium armor may weigh more than light, but it weighs considerable less than heavy armor. While it is less flexible than light armor, it is way more flexiable than solid heavy armor. Medium armor is tailored to be a snug fit while still allowing for maximum flexability. In short: medium armor is in between pro's and con's for the other 2 armor types and because of this it is the best armor to sneak around in.
While legerdemain is a possible location for 'sneaky' skills, it would mean that heavy armor and light armor's physical properties would suddenly cease to exist when you specialise in it? This is rather hard to believe, so I still prefer it the way it is now: Sneak & medium for a good match.
Just my oppinioin, no better or worse than anybody else's
I wear light clothes IRL and really... they don't hang loose around the body. I wear jogging jeans, and they are tighter around my legs then any medium army pants.
Yes, but the whole basic idea of "leather for sneaking" is based on Standard Fantasy Tropes. Thieves wear leather armor. "Light" armor is flowing mage robes. Etc.
(Yes, that's not a gameplay balance argument. And the "leather armor is sleeker/etc than floppy robes" thing kind of goes out the window when high-level Leather armor is covered in all sorts of metal, dangling bits, spikes....
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