Flying Blade

kypranb14_ESO

What would cause this morph to hit a single target 4 times?

From a long range, without a light attack weave, and with 1 of my weapon enchantments being a weapon power enchantment; what would cause this morph to hit a single target 4 times instantly? It was all direct damage. I figure the attack itself, and a disease enchantment made sense, but anything further and I can't seem to find out where the damage is coming from.

3,420 seems to be the disease enchantment.

665 seems to be the disease status proc.

8,406 seems to be the flying blade.

Any idea where the 7897 comes from? (It's not Selenes, too far away, no animation, and my selenes hit's harder than 7897)

Gear:
2x Selenes
5x Truth
5x Bone Pirate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA8LYgkhBjE&feature=youtu.be

Edit- Posted Video.

Checkmath

I dont get your question somehow...
So you threw they flying blade at an enemy and you saw 4 times some damage hitting him? Was the damage always the same amount? Do you wear any procsets? Dont forget you have two glyphs, one on each weapon, but actually they shouldnt proc together...
Or did i read that all wrong and you hit by flying dagger 4 times in a row in one second?

kypranb14_ESO

@Checkmath I have posted a video to show what i mean.

Also, I was using no procsets and only 1 proc glyph.

So Flying Blade + Disease Enchant is 2 hits, where do the other 2 come from?

kypranb14_ESO

3,420 seems to be the disease enchantment.

665 seems to be the disease status proc.

8,406 seems to be the flying blade.

Any idea where the 7897 comes from?

Capt_Morgan

If the bosses hit box is big enough it will bounce on the boss. Happens in trials on bosses like mantikora or anything really big. Could have been caused by lag maybe, the blade hit, then the boss moved so by the time the blade had traveled to bosses original spot the boss was in a new spot causing the blade to bounce off original spot to new boss location, giving you that second 8,406... Maybe?...

kypranb14_ESO

This morph doesn't bounce though, it's the "increase damage and range" morph.

@Capt_Morgan

Capt_Morgan

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

This morph doesn't bounce though, it's the "increase damage and range" morph.

@Capt_Morgan

Do you have an axe equipped? What sets are you using? Axe bleed is another possibility but that would be a much smaller number.

Checkmath

Ok as you see, its 4 different numbers. One is the flying dagger hit, one the enchant and then you got a really low number. This looks like some status effect damage like poisoned or something. I am not a stam nb specialist, but the last looks like an additional damage proc. Since its the first skill and direct damage, it cant be a dot as you said. As said, i just try to help and i dont know much about that skill, but either its some kind of proc or the damage of flying dagger is shown as two numbers...pretty unlikely tough.

Checkmath

It cant be axe bleed, there is no dot shown at the bosses debuffs and skill, also a bleeds first damage occurs after 2 secs and counts as dot, not as direct damage.

kypranb14_ESO

Capt_Morgan wrote: »

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

This morph doesn't bounce though, it's the "increase damage and range" morph.

@Capt_Morgan

Do you have an axe equipped? What sets are you using? Axe bleed is another possibility but that would be a much smaller number.

Dual axes, but that's not the axe bleed for 2 reasons: 1- It's Direct Damage not DoT, and 2- There is no bleed debuff on the boss.

Avran_Sylt

That is weird. Are you able to replicate it?

Avran_Sylt

Also, what rank is the skill?

kypranb14_ESO

@Avran_Sylt

I will try to replicate it in a bit. The skill was rank 1 at the time I believe.

jypcy

It looks like you’ve got combat metrics installed (but also looks like console controls and UI so color me confused haha). If you are able to replicate it, check the combat log in the post damage report from combat metrics. This will give you precise timings of buff/debuff events, incoming/outgoing healing, and incoming/outgoing damage, plus the sources in most cases. That should hopefully provide an answer, but based on your setup and video I can’t think of any theories on what it could be from.

kypranb14_ESO

Upon trying to replicate it I have failed, and in doing so I'd assume it was just a double cast glitch or something. I only have combat metrics save data for 1 fight, and this actually happened days ago. lol

exeeter702

Clearly the issue is stemming from the player in your group with the word "flying" in his name. The game client is getting its wires crossed. Hidden buff to flying blade

Have a friend make a character with flying in his name, join his group then go to a target dummy lol.

Im legit stumped otherwise.

SmellyUnlimited

Checkmath wrote: »

Ok as you see, its 4 different numbers. One is the flying dagger hit, one the enchant and then you got a really low number. This looks like some status effect damage like poisoned or something. I am not a stam nb specialist, but the last looks like an additional damage proc. Since its the first skill and direct damage, it cant be a dot as you said. As said, i just try to help and i dont know much about that skill, but either its some kind of proc or the damage of flying dagger is shown as two numbers...pretty unlikely tough.

I’ve never seen this happen, though I may have just assumed it was damage from another ability. Is this a common thing, or just a bug on certain bosses? If so, I might be inclined to slot this over rapid on certain boss fights w/o adds. Though I wonder whether rapid strikes is worth slotting anyway

getemshauna

Caltrops tick, maybe?
Cant see exactly what happened on video cos Im on phone.
Ok now I see clearly. It was first hit so caltrops wasnt applied. Very interesting. I will have a mystery for rest of the day to think about haha

getemshauna

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

EDIT: Hah, now I've realized that's HIve Lord, not Manti, when I watched it in full HD

exeeter702

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

Your theory is wrong, just saying that type of thing does not go unnoticed and would be common knowledge in matter of days from being discovered.

No need to test.

SmellyUnlimited

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

The “super proc.”......I’ve only heard of this whispered as a legend. A myth. The elders tell these tales to children (and noobs) to scare them into going to bed.

But surely you can’t....I mean, clearly a jest!....

getemshauna

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

The “super proc.”......I’ve only heard of this whispered as a legend. A myth. The elders tell these tales to children (and noobs) to scare them into going to bed.

But surely you can’t....I mean, clearly a jest!....

Not really. Look what dealt top3 dps in my iceheart parse (pledge boss): https://imgur.com/a/mVDme

He is vulnerable to fire so "super proc" called explosion in that case dealt so much dmg what allowed me to go 97k ST.

I'm not telling that what actually happened to Manti is super proc. I don't even know if disease has it - because 90% of my playtime I use Magicka characters .
But atleast I'm trying to resolve this mystery, and the only thing you did here was calling me "noob" without reason. I hope my screenshot will prove you that super proc exists, atleast when using fire dmg. That's the only one I noticed, mostly because that's the only ele dmg(fire) that I use on my nb.

kypranb14_ESO

Never heard of it referred to as a super proc before, but i did know about weaknesses and their effects on monsters.

I will try to reconstruct it again to see if i can make it happen.

SmellyUnlimited

gethemshauna wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

The “super proc.”......I’ve only heard of this whispered as a legend. A myth. The elders tell these tales to children (and noobs) to scare them into going to bed.

But surely you can’t....I mean, clearly a jest!....

Not really. Look what dealt top3 dps in my iceheart parse (pledge boss): https://imgur.com/a/mVDme

He is vulnerable to fire so "super proc" called explosion in that case dealt so much dmg what allowed me to go 97k ST.

I'm not telling that what actually happened to Manti is super proc. I don't even know if disease has it - because 90% of my playtime I use Magicka characters .
But atleast I'm trying to resolve this mystery, and the only thing you did here was calling me "noob" without reason. I hope my screenshot will prove you that super proc exists, atleast when using fire dmg. That's the only one I noticed, mostly because that's the only ele dmg(fire) that I use on my nb.

It was a joke.

And I wasn’t referring to you as a noob, but making a silly comment about this ominous sounding term (and “noobs”, to add that attachment to something in-game).

Couldn’t care less about super proc. Didn’t question it being real, had no dog in the fight either way. Not really sure why I care enough to reply to you at all.

getemshauna

Okay guys - I figured out what's that and I was right - that's super proc from Disease Damage called "Pestilence".
Here is the proof:
https://imgur.com/a/Ilz8B
Hive Lord is vulnerable to Disease damage, what causes additional damage as you can see on the screen.

exeeter702 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

Your theory is wrong, just saying that type of thing does not go unnoticed and would be common knowledge in matter of days from being discovered.

No need to test.

What you have to say now?

EDIT: Because imgur is currently overloaded, there's mirror link from cubeupload: https://cubeupload.com/im/9oEJ3y.jpg

exeeter702

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay guys - I figured out what's that and I was right - that's super proc from Disease Damage called "Pestilence".
Here is the proof:
https://imgur.com/a/Ilz8B
Hive Lord is vulnerable to Disease damage, what causes additional damage as you can see on the screen.

exeeter702 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

Your theory is wrong, just saying that type of thing does not go unnoticed and would be common knowledge in matter of days from being discovered.

No need to test.

What you have to say now?

EDIT: Because imgur is currently overloaded, there's mirror link from cubeupload: https://cubeupload.com/im/9oEJ3y.jpg

Well *** me and call me susan?

Berenhir

Does it proc from the specific damage (disease) or only as a consequence of the status effects?

getemshauna

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Berenhir wrote: »

Does it proc from the specific damage (disease) or only as a consequence of the status effects?

I think consequence of the status effect.

Xsorus

Disease has super proc Vs any animal or beast like enemy... think harpies

danno8

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay guys - I figured out what's that and I was right - that's super proc from Disease Damage called "Pestilence".
Here is the proof:
https://imgur.com/a/Ilz8B
Hive Lord is vulnerable to Disease damage, what causes additional damage as you can see on the screen.

exeeter702 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

Your theory is wrong, just saying that type of thing does not go unnoticed and would be common knowledge in matter of days from being discovered.

No need to test.

What you have to say now?

EDIT: Because imgur is currently overloaded, there's mirror link from cubeupload: https://cubeupload.com/im/9oEJ3y.jpg

This is what I figured. I recall a couple years ago having a Spriggan explode flames and not knowing what the damage was and embarking on a mission to figure out what it was.

Also, the crit of 8406 is too low for a Flying Blade crit.

Maulkin

exeeter702 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay guys - I figured out what's that and I was right - that's super proc from Disease Damage called "Pestilence".
Here is the proof:
https://imgur.com/a/Ilz8B
Hive Lord is vulnerable to Disease damage, what causes additional damage as you can see on the screen.

exeeter702 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

Okay, I have a theory. As we know except status effects procs (burning, concussion, poisoned etc) there is also super proc, what happens to enemies vulnerable to certain type of damage. For example you can see explosion super proc when you use fire abilities aganist trolls or ghosts.
My theory is, maybe Manti like harpies and ogres is vulnerable to disease dmg, what causes super proc on her, and that is what we seen on your video? I was looking for stamblades combat metrics report in web, but didn't find one. That's best example, because stamblade has multiple sources of disease dmg (incap, assasins scourge, killers blade).
I will test it anyway when I will hit home.

Your theory is wrong, just saying that type of thing does not go unnoticed and would be common knowledge in matter of days from being discovered.

No need to test.

What you have to say now?

EDIT: Because imgur is currently overloaded, there's mirror link from cubeupload: https://cubeupload.com/im/9oEJ3y.jpg

Well *** me and call me susan?

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