So COD mail fraud is still a thing.

Callum

I honestly didn't know this , i recently came back to the game, haven't touched it in years since it wasn't my thing back then, so ive done all these events the past 2 weeks and gotten some sweet stuff to make me into a small millionaire , players requested something to be sent by COD , i was fine with that the fee was minor, what i didn't know is they can hold onto it for 30 days before i get my *** back, and they do this to sell their own items first or out of pure trollness.

I'm wondering, when will there actually be more swift and harsher punishments for *** like this.

smacx250

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

AlnilamE

Normal mail with an attachment takes 30 days to bounce, but a mail with COD comes back in 3 days.

Armatesz

Yeah this is an actual thing that occurs on xbox na as well.
There are some things about codding something.
If you do not put a fee on an item/s and 30 days go by where they don't take the item/s it is sent back to you and you can retrieve the said item and postage you paid for the item/s.
But as soon as you put where you are to receive money for it, you are slapped with an additional fee. If 30 days go by and they don't take the item then it is returned to you but the postage is non refundable. So this can seem minor for some but some of the heavier and more expensive stuff this can be very damaging. Like hella expensive.
This is why some people like to trade in person but this is also not without its own dangers as well.
There are people that would go and retrieve their funds or items they were going to exchange with you about a half second or less before the confirmation on your end.

Armatesz

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

No it is 30 days.

ArchMikem

Always try to do transactions in person via trade, and in the trade always wait until the other player has hit accept on their amount of Gold before you hit accept on your end. If you hit accept first, they can easily remove the gold and accept the trade without paying you. That gets people furious.

Bhaal5

Armatesz wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

No it is 30 days.

Mines returned back in 3 days?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

dis.

Callum

If its only 3 days , then sure fine, but ive been told if they dont actually read the mail but let it be unread, 30 days, so all they have to do is just not click on it and read it, *** move.

MajesticHaruki

It's simple. Don't use cod for high value items. You save a lot of gold from fees and keep your items safe.

SmellyUnlimited

Armatesz wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

No it is 30 days.

Definitely only 3 days. Sounds like this couldn’t have actually happened to you if you think it’s 30.

Who would ever send something for a sale without a fee attached? Not much of a transaction in that case, more like a gift.

Cêltic421

Armatesz wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

No it is 30 days.

30 days with no request for gold. 3 days if you do request gold.

Hanokihs

ArchMikem wrote: »

Always try to do transactions in person via trade, and in the trade always wait until the other player has hit accept on their amount of Gold before you hit accept on your end. If you hit accept first, they can easily remove the gold and accept the trade without paying you. That gets people furious.

If you're buying, I've heard the opposite is true: that you shouldn't lock in the gold until they've locked in the item(s), or else you'll just be throwing away your coin if they decide to scam you by snatching it back. The best way to avoid massive jerks on both sides is to just join a trade guild with a kiosk in a high-traffic area. Sell your things, pay any membership dues that you agreed to, and leave if you don't intend to keep selling/be a productive member.

Graydon

Let me be the first one here to reply that COD actually returns in 3 days.

You’re welcome

kargen27

Hanokihs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Always try to do transactions in person via trade, and in the trade always wait until the other player has hit accept on their amount of Gold before you hit accept on your end. If you hit accept first, they can easily remove the gold and accept the trade without paying you. That gets people furious.

If you're buying, I've heard the opposite is true: that you shouldn't lock in the gold until they've locked in the item(s), or else you'll just be throwing away your coin if they decide to scam you by snatching it back. The best way to avoid massive jerks on both sides is to just join a trade guild with a kiosk in a high-traffic area. Sell your things, pay any membership dues that you agreed to, and leave if you don't intend to keep selling/be a productive member.

This is why many people have called for a two tiered agreement for these transactions. First tier both players lock in what they are offering then 2nd tier both accept. If one declines then both sides of the trade are reset.

And just to show that there are some decent people out and about...

I sent an item to a person meaning to COD it for 55K. I instead sent him the 55K and the item. He sent me back 110K without my having to ask.

Cpt_Teemo

smacx250 wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, it's 3 days, not 30.

Yeah 3 days now, not 30 glad they changed that crap lol

Beardimus

COD is there days. Stop calling the delay fraud as its not and steers people towards Trade.

I'll never trade high value items, it's too easy to time a scam. People say wait for them but if both sides do that you stole mate, and ive seen people flick their side on and off trying to time it so you get skanked.

Trade was designed to trade items, trusted source etc. COD is the only way to have zero risk of fraud bar a 3 day wait

Armatesz

Beardimus wrote: »

COD is there days. Stop calling the delay fraud as its not and steers people towards Trade.

I'll never trade high value items, it's too easy to time a scam. People say wait for them but if both sides do that you stole mate, and ive seen people flick their side on and off trying to time it so you get skanked.

Trade was designed to trade items, trusted source etc. COD is the only way to have zero risk of fraud bar a 3 day wait

The scam is literally making others waste money on postage pretty much. It is a troll tactic. It is a real thing. Definition of fraud literally does state they have to get financial gain, they don't but it is still an underhanded and shady act. Still a scam of sorts.

Grabmoore

Google the meaning of scamming. He eventually just forgot about it. Why would a millionaire even care about a delayed return with small fee. Please only post real issues..... People these days...

Sharee

Hanokihs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Always try to do transactions in person via trade, and in the trade always wait until the other player has hit accept on their amount of Gold before you hit accept on your end. If you hit accept first, they can easily remove the gold and accept the trade without paying you. That gets people furious.

If you're buying, I've heard the opposite is true: that you shouldn't lock in the gold until they've locked in the item(s), or else you'll just be throwing away your coin if they decide to scam you by snatching it back.

Its been a while since i've done a trade this way, but i remember that the "i agree with trade" checkbox auto-unchecked if the other party changed the content of their trade window after i clicked "agree". Meaning noone could "snatch back" their deal, because doing so required the other party to agree again(which they wouldn't, obviously).

If it does not behave like this, it certainly should, because otherwise either party can just wait until the other guy clicks agree, then remove their part of the deal and quickly hit agree, basically stealing stuff.

Armatesz

Grabmoore wrote: »

Google the meaning of scamming. He eventually just forgot about it. Why would a millionaire even care about a delayed return with small fee. Please only post real issues..... People these days...

The higher the requested gold, the more expensive it can get. Imagine asking for 2 million in cod.

Beardimus

When this debate has come up before its been said you get the fee back when mail is returned. Never tested it myself. @Armatesz

But its still not a scam, trolling perhaps but if you the guy with a 2 million item to sell a few bucks don't matter.

It is still, the only 100% secure way to trade. People still get scammed in trade. You can pull out. You can't once it goes blue, sure but you have to wait. On a 2 million gold item who goes first? I wouldn't.

I will only trade in COD.

Beardimus

Incidentally i asked a guy to cod me some Perfect Roe & Kuta earlier. New guy had dropped them in event.

He just mails them to me, i paid him and I'm like dude you didn't request funds, that's dangerous he said he's trusting and why would anyone scam a new guy.

Dudeeeeeeeee

Armatesz

Beardimus wrote: »

When this debate has come up before its been said you get the fee back when mail is returned. Never tested it myself. @Armatesz

But its still not a scam, trolling perhaps but if you the guy with a 2 million item to sell a few bucks don't matter.

It is still, the only 100% secure way to trade. People still get scammed in trade. You can pull out. You can't once it goes blue, sure but you have to wait. On a 2 million gold item who goes first? I wouldn't.

I will only trade in COD.

Yeah if you put a cod fee it is non refundable. You get no money back if they either don't take it or return it. I've tested it enough times to know that part. Just put a test output mail but don't send and see what higher amounts require and just know you don't get that money back.

Elsterchen

Armatesz wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

COD is there days. Stop calling the delay fraud as its not and steers people towards Trade.

I'll never trade high value items, it's too easy to time a scam. People say wait for them but if both sides do that you stole mate, and ive seen people flick their side on and off trying to time it so you get skanked.

Trade was designed to trade items, trusted source etc. COD is the only way to have zero risk of fraud bar a 3 day wait

The scam is literally making others waste money on postage pretty much. It is a troll tactic. It is a real thing. Definition of fraud literally does state they have to get financial gain, they don't but it is still an underhanded and shady act. Still a scam of sorts.

The postage cost isn't as much as loosing your trade item or 100% of what you would pay for it in a trade. I always offer/demand my client to share these posting fees and usually that is fine with them.

COD is the most secure way of direct trade between players, and this is true for both the player offering an item as well as the player buying the item. I wish there was something similar for exchanging items.

Beardimus

Armatesz wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

When this debate has come up before its been said you get the fee back when mail is returned. Never tested it myself. @Armatesz

But its still not a scam, trolling perhaps but if you the guy with a 2 million item to sell a few bucks don't matter.

It is still, the only 100% secure way to trade. People still get scammed in trade. You can pull out. You can't once it goes blue, sure but you have to wait. On a 2 million gold item who goes first? I wouldn't.

I will only trade in COD.

Yeah if you put a cod fee it is non refundable. You get no money back if they either don't take it or return it. I've tested it enough times to know that part. Just put a test output mail but don't send and see what higher amounts require and just know you don't get that money back.

If its tested then ok. But still its peanuts. I've used COD from day one and never ever had this happen.

Spacemonkey

kargen27 wrote: »

Hanokihs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Always try to do transactions in person via trade, and in the trade always wait until the other player has hit accept on their amount of Gold before you hit accept on your end. If you hit accept first, they can easily remove the gold and accept the trade without paying you. That gets people furious.

If you're buying, I've heard the opposite is true: that you shouldn't lock in the gold until they've locked in the item(s), or else you'll just be throwing away your coin if they decide to scam you by snatching it back. The best way to avoid massive jerks on both sides is to just join a trade guild with a kiosk in a high-traffic area. Sell your things, pay any membership dues that you agreed to, and leave if you don't intend to keep selling/be a productive member.

This is why many people have called for a two tiered agreement for these transactions. First tier both players lock in what they are offering then 2nd tier both accept. If one declines then both sides of the trade are reset.

And just to show that there are some decent people out and about...

I sent an item to a person meaning to COD it for 55K. I instead sent him the 55K and the item. He sent me back 110K without my having to ask.

I thought that was just common sense. Why would I lock in my side without the other having put anything? He could just accept my locked side without putting anything....

The moment something is changed, substracted, removed, added, the locks undo themselves and you have to re-lock. Like the trading window is MADE anti-scam. People that do get scammed are just in too much of a hurry or... [ personal opinion ]

Jayman1000

Callum wrote: »

I honestly didn't know this , i recently came back to the game, haven't touched it in years since it wasn't my thing back then, so ive done all these events the past 2 weeks and gotten some sweet stuff to make me into a small millionaire , players requested something to be sent by COD , i was fine with that the fee was minor, what i didn't know is they can hold onto it for 30 days before i get my *** back, and they do this to sell their own items first or out of pure trollness.

I'm wondering, when will there actually be more swift and harsher punishments for *** like this.

I wouldn't actually call it a scam since the scammer dont get anything out of it (well except pure spite and joy of causing grief). More like trolling, as you pointed out; or griefing.

It's not 30 days, only 3 days. But that is how the current COD system works, the receiver have 3 days to pay or not. What I would like would be to set a custom COD time limit; then you could just set a few hours if you wanted. But streamlined casual business model being what it is you can bet that ZOS will never implement customization like that.

Peekachu99

You should never CoD anything that has reasonable value. Take the 1m to group/ meet up and avoid all the headaches.

Jayman1000

Elsterchen wrote: »

COD is the most secure way of direct trade between players, and this is true for both the player offering an item as well as the player buying the item. I wish there was something similar for exchanging items.

This is not true. Direct trade is safer because the deal is made instantly and you don't risk loosing cod fee or precious time if a the receiver doesn't pay.

Elsterchen

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

COD is the most secure way of direct trade between players, and this is true for both the player offering an item as well as the player buying the item. I wish there was something similar for exchanging items.

This is not true. Direct trade is safer because the deal is made instantly and you don't risk loosing cod fee or precious time if a the receiver doesn't pay.

At the risk of beeing scammed = loose everything offered. I think "loosing" 3 days (actually loosing 3 days requires a little more then just waiting for mail but if you think these 3 days are lost, ... ) and a lousy fee is much better then loosing everything.

Riskevaluation (the simple way):
a) 3 days wait + fee
vs
b) everything offered

= if fee < b) then a) is less risky then b)
or
= if fee > b) ... you need better stuff for trade

Really there is no point in argueing, the risk of loosing everything is obviously bigger then the risk of loosing a small fee.

edit: b) and is something fundamentally different