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Crown sale much happen now
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With all the server issues, the morrowind crap and just crap in general, they should start a crown sale asap. At least this will be something the playerbase wants and it actually benefits the developers.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
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✭✭✭✭✭No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 10, 2018 11:55AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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xbobx✭✭✭✭✭But then we would reward NA players when they don't have issues!
EU only sale is clearly what we need.
NA is having issues.
I get infinite loading screens regularly now.
if i don't the loading takes forever
Constant problems logging in on xbox
Major lag switching weapon bars.
so no, we have issues also.0 -
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Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
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Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.2 -
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I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."8 -
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I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount1 -
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I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.0 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
exactly... it's all down to the metrics.0 -
Jaeysa✭✭✭✭✭Last sale was 4 months ago, so I'd expect it to be in late may/early June tbh.PC/NA: Primarily Daggerfall Covenant.
Lennie: Breton Sorceror. 9-trait crafter on everything, purveyor of useless frippery.0 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.0 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
the metrics for any business is all the activity. you think they run the crown store without recording all sales? really?4 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
Because to a marketing team selling virtual fluff, any sale means a success. Selling 3 x 80$ mount that took one art dev a day or two to reskin, is 100% better than selling 24 of them priced at 5$, and (depending on salaries) is in the green budget wise.
My point being, they really don't need to sell a lot of them for them to be profitable, as such they have absolutely no reason going against making these reskins and these types of cosmetic content, the price is analyzed based on what actually brings them more money. And a high price with few sales really does have a chance of getting them more profit than a low price with plenty of sales (that would be skewed by eso+ members using their free crowns on it and as such no real revenue on those sales). They gain more by high price tags forcing 'whales' to buy crowns, or Eso+ members to just buy that 1 tiny crown pack to reach the total asking price etc...Edited by Spacemonkey on April 10, 2018 2:20PM2 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
the metrics for any business is all the activity. you think they run the crown store without recording all sales? really?
actually, yes i do. This is a gaming company, they make stupid decisions.
remember this is the same company that failed at launch and had to rework their game. They are not business geniuses.Edited by xbobx on April 10, 2018 2:38PM0 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭Spacemonkey wrote: »
Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
Because to a marketing team selling virtual fluff, any sale means a success. Selling 3 x 80$ mount that took one art dev a day or two to reskin, is 100% better than selling 24 of them priced at 5$, and (depending on salaries) is in the green budget wise.
My point being, they really don't need to sell a lot of them for them to be profitable, as such they have absolutely no reason going against making these reskins and these types of cosmetic content, the price is analyzed based on what actually brings them more money. And a high price with few sales really does have a chance of getting them more profit than a low price with plenty of sales (that would be skewed by eso+ members using their free crowns on it and as such no real revenue on those sales). They gain more by high price tags forcing 'whales' to buy crowns, or Eso+ members to just buy that 1 tiny crown pack to reach the total asking price etc...
yes, but selling three $80 mounts is not better then selling 300 $ 20 mounts.
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rynth✭✭✭✭✭With all the server issues, the morrowind crap and just crap in general, they should start a crown sale asap. At least this will be something the playerbase wants and it actually benefits the developers.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
Oh so you mean all the whining and complaining people can stop killing the forums with outrageous claims of being owed for Morrowind and other stuff and the servers? Yeah you people will still cry about a crown sale in some way shape or form.
Edited by rynth on April 10, 2018 3:17PMWhen asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."1 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭With all the server issues, the morrowind crap and just crap in general, they should start a crown sale asap. At least this will be something the playerbase wants and it actually benefits the developers.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
Oh so you mean all the whining and complaining people can stop killing the forums with outrageous claims of being owed for Morrowind and other stuff? Yeah you people will still cry about a crown sale in some way shape or form.
is there a reason why you ignored the server part?0 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭With all the server issues, the morrowind crap and just crap in general, they should start a crown sale asap. At least this will be something the playerbase wants and it actually benefits the developers.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
Oh so you mean all the whining and complaining people can stop killing the forums with outrageous claims of being owed for Morrowind and other stuff? Yeah you people will still cry about a crown sale in some way shape or form.
is there a reason why you ignored the server part?
there you go edit original post to include the servers sorry about that my bad.When asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."0 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
And you do? Got it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭With all the server issues, the morrowind crap and just crap in general, they should start a crown sale asap. At least this will be something the playerbase wants and it actually benefits the developers.
But, what will happen as usual they will stay quiet/be cowardly about all the controversy and do nothing.
lets hope i am wrong.
You were already wrong when you wrote this, they explained about the EU server issue yesterday.1 -
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Why would any marketing department act on a few comments on a forums (often in offensive ways) vs the data showing people are buying everything you're selling regardless.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
I don't think they've ever started to lose money. It's always seemed they've been growing in what they can make due to increased players and new business models.
Kind of what I wondered had happened. It's frustrating if it's the case.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »No they shouldn’t, they should remove the crown store and sale things directly in an online cart like the chapters are sold.
Just convert crowns back to actual money spent as a credit balance. That would allow them to have sales for items and not be limited to how much stuff they can put in the game store.
I understand why they use virtual currency tho, but downtime and service issues should NOT use that virtual currency as a problem solver. That and the sales are what have deteriorated the value of crowns causing crazy crown prices for items.
no, they got greedy because they started to lose money so in their stupidity they thought that increasing prices would fix that.
The store has crept up and up since launch though, the starting prices were so much more friendly, but they keep pushing the boundaries every now and then. Once something seems "normal" we don't make a fuss any more right?
but people are always making a fuss, they just dont listen and it doesnt help that idiots pay $80 for a mount
its not whether they listen or not, i'm sure they do. what they don't do is take action on what they hear. can't say i blame them for that.
I mean I am guilty of it myself. I complain about prices and crates, still go and thrust my money in their faces demanding they take it when a new Dunmer thing comes out.
how do you know the metrics show people are buying things, and just because they are buying doesn't mean its optimal.
these guys don't really understand the business aspect of things. A lot of people in the gaming industry dont, that is why you see so many stupid decisions.
the metrics for any business is all the activity. you think they run the crown store without recording all sales? really?
actually, yes i do. This is a gaming company, they make stupid decisions.
remember this is the same company that failed at launch and had to rework their game. They are not business geniuses.
failed at launch?
they shifted 750 000 copies on day 1. you consider that a failure?
edit to add: and bear in mind that was pc only.Edited by jedtb16_ESO on April 10, 2018 3:55PM4 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭shakes head so you are upset about how a company is handling there product so your response is to give them more money...
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