Whats "Concealed weapon" good for?

Tapio75

If you have morphed to this, for what do you use it? Sneak bonus? Stun?

I hgave tried this myself couple of times over the years, but the stun is not appealing to me as its only happening when coming out of stealth, and if i have physical weapon equipped, the stun happens with basic sneak attack and damage is better too. The sneak bonus is nice, but im vampire and its no use to me ...

And if i wanted this for damage, it does not seem to do much damage at all when comparing to surprise attack or in any other skill i have in my arsenal.

So what use is this skill for?

QUEZ420

"Weapom" is good at everything.

ADarklore

Well, you do realize that it's the MAGICKA version, so yes, it will do lower damage if you're using a physical weapon. Most people use it for the sneak speed bonus, since most Magicka players tend to play mostly from range.

Dapper Dinosaur

This skill is for slotting on the backbar with shadow cloak and rapid maneuver whenever you're not doing serious content and would benefit more from being able to skip stuff/move fast than having a second bar for DPS.

It's quite excellent for going after things like the skyshard dye, because you can stealth past everything in the vast majority of delves and around the scroll temples in cyrodiil.

driosketch

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

This skill is for slotting on the backbar with shadow cloak and rapid maneuver whenever you're not doing serious content and would benefit more from being able to skip stuff/move fast than having a second bar for DPS.

It's quite excellent for going after things like the skyshard dye, because you can stealth past everything in the vast majority of delves and around the scroll temples in cyrodiil.

Double take with the Shadow Dancer set. A magicka stealth build can reposition themselves at will basically. Add mark and mage light to the other three skills, best way to hunt down hidden characters hiding in your keep or trying to gank players.

Dapper Dinosaur

That involves using a crap set though.

driosketch

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

That involves using a crap set though.

Always a use for a specialist.

Tapio75

So its basically a speed buff on stealth? There really is no damage use for it?

Like i was wondering if it can be made crit at high damage.. The speed bonus is not very useful for me. All the speed i need in my play, is with Twisting path and vampire passive at stage 4.

Yakidafi

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magicka and stamina .. you know.

Danksta

Is this for magblade or stamblade? It should harder than Surprise Attack on a magicka toon.

starkerealm

Tapio75 wrote: »

So its basically a speed buff on stealth? There really is no damage use for it?

Like i was wondering if it can be made crit at high damage.. The speed bonus is not very useful for me. All the speed i need in my play, is with Twisting path and vampire passive at stage 4.

On a stam build, yeah, it's just for the movement speed buff. Stick it on a vampire, and you can do some stupid stuff, moving through areas that you really shouldn't have the time or resources to. That said, you give up one of the Stamblade's best spammables to do it.

On a magicka build it almost makes stealth viable. You're going to be moving around with cloak anyway, and the speed increase is, effectively, a cost discount, letting you move further without setting off enemies. Of the two, I actually find it more useful on a stamblade geared towards infiltration. So, your primary benefit will be if you're rigging up a character to run thieves guild and dark brotherhood dailies, or if you're spending a lot of time in Cyrodiil.

exeeter702

Tapio75 wrote: »

So its basically a speed buff on stealth? There really is no damage use for it?

Like i was wondering if it can be made crit at high damage.. The speed bonus is not very useful for me. All the speed i need in my play, is with Twisting path and vampire passive at stage 4.

It is a decent tooltip melee spammable for magicka builds that may opt for a dw setup or 2h magblades that run forward momentum. It has its uses.

getemshauna

This skill is necessary for one of ganking builds. Here you can see how I utilize it in cyrodil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3fNHoVNiCM&t=2s

NyassaV

gethemshauna wrote: »

This skill is necessary for one of ganking builds. Here you can see how I utilize it in cyrodil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3fNHoVNiCM&t=2s

But can you use it in duels/1vX and come out the victor?

I use the skill when playing as a melee magblade and I use it for some much more than ganking. It does a nice amount of damage more than strife though hardly noticeable unless the initial hit of a preped gank or over the course of a long fight. The speed bonus allows me to not use a gap closer comfortably as the speed buff from crippling grasp + the sneak speed increase makes me walk 55% faster while I am using cloak, allowing me to catch up to my targets.

DeadlyRecluse

The speed buff is nice, I slot it on my resto/cloak/recovery bar from time to time.

It's also unreflectable--reflects counter most magNB setups pretty hard, so it can be helpful to have a nonreflectable spammable available, even as a "sideboard" type skill.

Silver_Strider

It makes my Sacrement/Heist runs so much quicker, not to mention it helps my Magblade get out of bad situations by sneaking in PvP.

KRBMMO

This is a fun skill to use, especially at low level in PvE. You sneak up and whack something and they just sit there while you charge up a heavy attack.

End game it has its uses like other people have said but it isn't the "one skill to beat them all" or anything.

It has both efficient and inefficient places to use it.

Tapio75

Hmm.. Thanks for all the input on this

I guess i need to try this a bit more next time i release my skillpoints to get more for better skills from leveling skills. Seems like it can have interesting uses after all.

starkerealm

Tapio75 wrote: »

Hmm.. Thanks for all the input on this

I guess i need to try this a bit more next time i release my skillpoints to get more for better skills from leveling skills. Seems like it can have interesting uses after all.

If you're wanting to do a stamblade DPS, then Surprise Attack is the vastly superior morph. If you're trying to get creative or using a magicka build, and sheer damage doesn't matter to you, then you might want to consider Concealed.

Sky_WK

Not sure if it's been said yet but it's awesome to use against wardens and dks that can reflect/absorb your projectiles.

Brutusmax1mus

I wanna go fast!! If you're not first, you're last!!!

DeadlyPhoenix

QUEZ420 wrote: »

"Weapom" is good at everything.

Ok been trying to ignore it all day but I can't anymore.... my OCD is getting the better of me

Please edit the title to say WeapoN instead WeapoM.

It really is bugging me lol, I'm sorry!

Edit:
Thank you very much!!!!!!!! You get an awesome for that!

GimpyPorcupine

Vampire archer, on the 2H back bar.

Samadhi

Tapio75 wrote: »

...but the stun is not appealing to me as its only happening when coming out of stealth, and if i have physical weapon equipped, the stun happens with basic sneak attack and damage is better too. The sneak bonus is nice, but im vampire and its no use to me ...
...

The Sneak bonus stacks on top of Vampire, making you Sneak faster than your normal movement speed
It also applies when using Cloak in combat, making the character move faster while Cloak is active

The Stun happens when coming out of Dark Cloak/Shadowy Disguise at any point in combat
but ZOS recently nerfed that so if the target is able to Detect you (potion, Mark, Light), the Stun no longer applies

Personally use it on my magblade for the CC and speed buff while cloaked + as a damage skill recently rather than Funnel Health

Goshua

driosketch wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

This skill is for slotting on the backbar with shadow cloak and rapid maneuver whenever you're not doing serious content and would benefit more from being able to skip stuff/move fast than having a second bar for DPS.

It's quite excellent for going after things like the skyshard dye, because you can stealth past everything in the vast majority of delves and around the scroll temples in cyrodiil.

Double take with the Shadow Dancer set. A magicka stealth build can reposition themselves at will basically. Add mark and mage light to the other three skills, best way to hunt down hidden characters hiding in your keep or trying to gank players.

Id assume most are vampire?
Shadow Dancer used to stack with the vamp passive for insane speed but it's no longer the case.
Anyway, just pointing that out.

Mureel

Tapio75 wrote: »

If you have morphed to this, for what do you use it? Sneak bonus? Stun?

I hgave tried this myself couple of times over the years, but the stun is not appealing to me as its only happening when coming out of stealth, and if i have physical weapon equipped, the stun happens with basic sneak attack and damage is better too. The sneak bonus is nice, but im vampire and its no use to me ...

And if i wanted this for damage, it does not seem to do much damage at all when comparing to surprise attack or in any other skill i have in my arsenal.

So what use is this skill for?

Hauling azzz - stacks with vamp stealth buff *poof!*

SirCritical

Heists and sacraments

Tapio75

@Mureel
They do? Why have i been under impression, that no stealth speed bonus stacks with otherexept major expedition maybe -.-

Might be, since im not a fan of high speed stealthing, i like sneaking slowly and immersive even while its not the best way to play... This vampire character however, gives some lore reasons to seek out these speedbonuses and their benefits better.. Been playing since Beta, and i never actually cared to use much of stealth speed bonuses, i even dropped Nights silence back at the day, when it got a speed bonus to 4 piece set only

Yeah, i now. Im odd :P

Mureel

Tapio75 wrote: »

@Mureel
They do? Why have i been under impression, that no stealth speed bonus stacks with otherexept major expedition maybe -.-

Might be, since im not a fan of high speed stealthing, i like sneaking slowly and immersive even while its not the best way to play... This vampire character however, gives some lore reasons to seek out these speedbonuses and their benefits better.. Been playing since Beta, and i never actually cared to use much of stealth speed bonuses, i even dropped Nights silence back at the day, when it got a speed bonus to 4 piece set only

Yeah, i now. Im odd :P

They do xD because it's not a major or minor. Everything stacks EXCEPT Major w Major or Minor w minor.

For me, it is when I want to GTFO xD Nothing immersive about losing 10k+ telvar

Dredlord

It is for magnb, I would never play my magnb without this skill, vamp and doubletake.

Just not fun without all that invis speed...

Might as well play stamnb.

GimpyPorcupine

Goshua wrote: »

Shadow Dancer used to stack with the vamp passive for insane speed but it's no longer the case.
Anyway, just pointing that out.

I used to stack those in my "Dark Guardian" vamp NB healer build. Oh, fun times, sneaking faster than horses, chasing people down and Soul Assault ganking.