Jewelry trait for tanking

commdt

So fellow tanks, what do you think? I guess Ill be sticking more with infused for shildplay/mana regen or whatever

Turelus

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

Personally Triune for the build I am thinking, but that's also because I personally might drop the 1/1/5 for 7 heavy.

*hides from the meta people he just triggered*

Checkmath

Infused (+60%)

I think infused will have a heavy impact, especially on enchants, which reduces the potion cooldown for argonian tanks. Also infused shildplay, regen or cost reduction glyphs sound very nice for tanks.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

No love for harmony? 35% more stam shards or orbs in is like 1.2k more with just one, that is huge. I know my tanks will have at least one on theirs.

Nestor

Turelus wrote: »

Personally Triune for the build I am thinking, but that's also because I personally might drop the 1/1/5 for 7 heavy.

*hides from the meta people he just triggered*

I went from one to the other, and it all depends really on what is better for you and how you play.

Now, that will trigger the meta people.

ZeroXFF

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

I think I'll go with 3-stat on my magplar tank (meta triggering intensifies) since he is short on stamina, but I might try out infused on the DK and replace the 2nd shield play enchant with stam cost reduction on skills (I run with one magicka regen already), since that seems to be more often the source of my resource drain than blocking.

commdt

Infused (+60%)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

No love for harmony? 35% more stam shards or orbs in is like 1.2k more with just one, that is huge. I know my tanks will have at least one on theirs.

never trust anyone but yourself

Tremors

Definitely tri-stat. It’s just more stats.

Liofa

You need to swap your sets of jewelry for the combat you will be getting into . There is no such thing called ''meta'' for tanking . Everything changes for different fights . You'll see a huge difference between a AS Main Tank build and a SO Off Tank build .

Personally , I will be having 3 sets of jewelry in my inventory unless they make the Protective somewhat useful . Healthy for surviving really big burst like vHoF 2nd Boss , Triune for overall Max Stats and Swift for faster stacking and movement .

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Here is the calculation for block cost if you use Infused jewelry with Shield Play enchants :

We have 574 Block Cost with 8 Sturdy , Fortress , 100 Shadow Ward and no Shield Play enchants .

325 is the Infused Shield Play enchant .

[ 1760 - ( 325 * 3 ) ] - ( 0.68 (8 sturdy) * 0.64 (Fortress) * 0.75 (100 Shadow Ward) ) = 256 Stamina per block (574-256 = 318 per second assuming you block once every second)

And this is the no-Infused calculation :

[ 1760 - ( 203 * 3 ) ] - ( 0.68 (8 Sturdy) * 0.64 (Fortress) * 0.75 (100 Shadow Ward) ) = 375 Stamina per block (574-375 = 199 per second assuming you block once every second)

So the difference is about 120 stamina per block . So yeah , it is quite decent .

I already explained the Infused potion cooldown in another thread here : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404702/nightblade-ultimate-tank-theorycrafting-summerset/p1

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Infused can also be used with Stamina Cost Reduction .

Assuming you use Pierce Armour and Heroic Slash every 10 seconds , here is the benefit of Stamina cost reduction)

1531 , 2673 , no enchant = 4204
1349 , 2491 , 1 enchant = 3840 > 364 stamina saved every 10 seconds , 36 per second
1166 , 2308 , 2 enchants = 3474 > 730 stamina saved every 10 seconds , 73 per second
983 , 2125 , 3 enchants = 3108 > 1096 stamina saved every 10 seconds , 110 per second

And here is the same thing with Infused jewelry :

1238 , 2380 , 1 enchant = 3618 > 586 Stamina saved every 10 seconds , 58.6 per second
945 , 2088 , 2 enchants = 3033 > 1171 Stamina saved every 10 seconds , 117.1 per second
653 , 1795 , 3 enchants = 2448 > 1756 Stamina saved every 10 seconds , 175.6 per second

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Another sustain tool is Harmony .

You can get a shard/orb every 20 seconds , restoring 3960 Stamina .

No Harmony > 3960 / 20 = 198 Stamina per second .
1 Harmony > 5346 / 20 =267 Stamina per second . (69 Stamina per second)
2 Harmony > 6732 / 20 = 337 Stamina per second . (139 Stamina per second)
3 Harmony > 8118 / 20 = 406 stamina per second . (208 Stamina per second)

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To sum it up , Shield-Play still rules at sustaining as long as you block once every second but not necessarily when combined with Infused . Using Harmony jewelry combined with Shield-Play will give you better sustain overall . Harmony jewelry added 208 Stamina per second while Infused added only 120 . Keep in mind that this calculation assumes that you block once every second . If you block twice or more per second , Infused combined with Shield-Play will outperform everything . If there is no blocking at all , 3 Harmony + 3 Stamina Cost Reduction will give best results . I'll repeat what I said first , it all depends on content you'll be getting into .

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Another thing you want to wait for is the Protective jewelry . We know that this trait is simply bad but pretty much all testers gave negative feedback on it and most likely it will change . Note that it is not guaranteed that the new Protective jewelry will be interesting or good but something different than the current one .

Hope this helps a bit and please correct me if calculations are wrong ^^

crobarXIII

Infused (+60%)

I'm really curious on trying my nb argonian tank with 21 second potion cooldowns & using 2 types of potions. Might mix infuse with triune on my dk & warden tanks

Lynx7386

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

Infused or triune.

Like prismatic, the triune trait will give you 50% more on each attribute than healthy+robust+arcane.

However, I'm finding the idea of 60% more effect from recovery or shield play enchants intriguing

Septimus_Magna

Other (specify)

One Harmony, one Tribune and one Infused with shield play enchant.

Royaji

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

With 8 sturdy I don't really feel the need for more block cost reduction. So infused shiled-play seems like an overkill. I'll probably try two triune for raw stats and one infused with either mag recovery or mag cost reduction. Cutting 500-600 magicka cost from all my expensive magicka skills on DK sounds like a decent idea.

jaws343

Infused (+60%)

I actually want to try out Infused with magic cost reduction on my tank. With the exception of puncture, heroic slash, and blocking, the majority of my tanks skills are magicka based. Being able to utilize a smaller magicka pool with cost reduction enchants will allow me to add more to health or stamina by removing a few tri-stat glyphs.

Lynx7386

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

jaws343 wrote: »

I actually want to try out Infused with magic cost reduction on my tank. With the exception of puncture, heroic slash, and blocking, the majority of my tanks skills are magicka based. Being able to utilize a smaller magicka pool with cost reduction enchants will allow me to add more to health or stamina by removing a few tri-stat glyphs.

I tend to find recovery better than cost reduction for most skills

boombazookajd

just waiting to see what Alcast puts on his site so I can copy it

Kelces

Other (specify)

I always go for stamina or magicka, depending on the orientation. I hope for other options in the future, unfortunately it's rare to get tank jewelry with other stats than health.

Purely health just makes me think of a rubber balloon where you don't need much to cause a big problem. Being able to act more and take less damage gives me most comfort than having a big health pool, that drops very fast.

Silver_Strider

I like Tribune best but Infused sounds like it would be very beneficial as well that I'll probably try 1 Infused piece at least. Sustain is already fairly easy on an Argonian that I don't feel the need for Shield Play or Cost Reduction enchants but Potion enchants on reduced timers just sound so enticing, especially on a NB tank for 20 ultimate every pot.

Iron_Blurr

Other (specify)

For disorganized groups(pug dungeons/normal trials) infused block cost/potion cooldown.
For organized groups with many synergies Harmony will help tanks and healers a lot.

Iron_Blurr

Other (specify)

Royaji wrote: »

With 8 sturdy I don't really feel the need for more block cost reduction. So infused shiled-play seems like an overkill. I'll probably try two triune for raw stats and one infused with either mag recovery or mag cost reduction. Cutting 500-600 magicka cost from all my expensive magicka skills on DK sounds like a decent idea.

Why not just use 3 infused block cost reduction and make your sturdy gear infused/divines? Doesn't that come out to more max stats with similar block cost?

Royaji

Triune (+ half bonus to all 3 stats, like prismatic)

Iron_Blurr wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

With 8 sturdy I don't really feel the need for more block cost reduction. So infused shiled-play seems like an overkill. I'll probably try two triune for raw stats and one infused with either mag recovery or mag cost reduction. Cutting 500-600 magicka cost from all my expensive magicka skills on DK sounds like a decent idea.

Why not just use 3 infused block cost reduction and make your sturdy gear infused/divines? Doesn't that come out to more max stats with similar block cost?

Because retraiting jewelry is cheaper? Also because the block cost formula was modified with Dragonbones and stacking glyphs is no longer that effective.