Perfected item sets

thomas1970b16_ESO

I am a little worried that the game will turn out to be for a very small percentage of people who have access to the best gear. Will it be perhaps 1% of the players? The skin and title should be enough incentive to do hard modes and achievements in trials . Zos said early on that crafted gear would be as good as dropped gear. I feel cheated out of that.

Yakidafi

I honestly don't remember if they said crafted sets or that you needed crafting to make it the best(as in upgrading) ?

I remember it was the later.

Morgul667

with jewelry crafting + 2h counting as 2 pieces of set, i feel vAS staves will not be as great as today in comparison with other sets

What you wish will probably be true very soon

Bbsample197

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

glavius

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Yea let's put the best pvp weapons (in some cases) behind 100s of hours of pve

Bbsample197

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Yea let's put the best pvp weapons (in some cases) behind 100s of hours of pve

yes, either you excel at both ends or you just suck it up and play both pvp and pve, not that hard to begin with

glavius

Bbsample197 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Yea let's put the best pvp weapons (in some cases) behind 100s of hours of pve

yes, either you excel at both ends or you just suck it up and play both pvp and pve, not that hard to begin with

Good way to alienate 80% of your player base, if the items end up too powerful.

Bbsample197

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Yea let's put the best pvp weapons (in some cases) behind 100s of hours of pve

yes, either you excel at both ends or you just suck it up and play both pvp and pve, not that hard to begin with

Good way to alienate 80% of your player base, if the items end up too powerful.

its not really alienating if only a few ppl has it really

Bbsample197

Bbsample197 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Yea let's put the best pvp weapons (in some cases) behind 100s of hours of pve

yes, either you excel at both ends or you just suck it up and play both pvp and pve, not that hard to begin with

Good way to alienate 80% of your player base, if the items end up too powerful.

its not really alienating if only a few ppl has it really

and still doesnt answer my question that why would someone want the best items if they dont want to do harder content
im merely talking on the pve side of things here, cause i dont know or have a lack of knowledge in a particular pvp items that is hard to get on pve so theres that

Yakidafi

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

glavius

I agree pve wise it's no issue

glavius

But I can tell you what made me finally quit a previous game. Not being able to kill an afk player due to gear disparity. 2 v 1, beat on him for 3 minutes before giving up and walking away.... Luckily we are nowhere close to that in ESO

Bbsample197

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

well theyve deserved to get it, theres really no point on complaining if you would just do the harder content isnt that right?? im not saying its easy to obtain them thats why there should be more incentive on harder conten to actually do them, lets be honest here the perfected items on vAS is not that far on the imperfect ones so theres no point on doing it aside from score runs but after that no point in grinding.

same question goes for casuals like me or the majority of the player do we really need those perfected items?

Bbsample197

glavius wrote: »

I agree pve wise it's no issue

thats why we need a separation in both aspects but thats getting out of topic

Tasear

The disparity isn't huge better them. In fact, I am surprised nobody complained it isn't. Zos has done a good job in things like this.

SJD_Phoenix

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

And how does letting more people have access to the best gear help? Because the “already powerful” would still be able to use it. Your logic is flawed.

Seriously what is it with the entitlement of players in this game. I’m yet to beat vAS let alone +2 yet I don’t feel as though I should be handed a perfected inferno staff.

I changed from EU to NA recently, I don’t have a masters bow so my Stam builds are re worked to accommodate that, and are ever but as effective.

I still don’t have a vMA bow on NA but I’m still pulling nearly 30k dps with bad sets and mostly purple gear.

Unless you’re doing top 1% content you don’t need top 1% gear. Please can we put this to bed?

MehrunesFlagon

doesn't bother me much,but do think the perfect should drop from vet versions,and not just the hardmode.

Seraphayel

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

Why should the already 'doing good' get better gear when they don't need it for the content they're doing?

MehrunesFlagon

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

Why should the already 'doing good' get better gear when they don't need it for the content they're doing?

Leaderboard scores.

Avran_Sylt

If the Asylum weapons are any indicator, the disparity won't be all that much. Unless it's something regarding Global Skill Cooldowns like with the Destro Staff, it's just gonna be a primary fixation for Min-Maxers whose rotation is already near perfect.

MaxwellC

If referring to the trial in the words of Rich, "Git gud"; Seriously hard content needs to have an effect on the player base in terms of who has worked their ass off to achieve it. I haven't done Aslyum on hard mode which would be an example but let's say Billy bob joe over there does it with his group, why should I feel cheated when they worked their ass off for hours to complete it?

So short response is: I believe in merit based progression when it comes to a lot of things. The more effort you put in, the better outcome your gear/rewards will be. Full stop.

thomas1970b16_ESO

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Well appearently you don't need them if you are doing the hardest conent either? Since you did not have them the first time you did them in such a case?

drake88131

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Because it is a game dude?! Because most of us don't want to be forced to climb a social ladder in this community or make our hobby a second job where we r required to either manage a social guild or be managed by someone. Because the community can be absolutely toxic and being constantly forced to play with said community isn't always the most enjoyable experience? Because if you can beat VMA then you can beat anything and the "perfected" gear isn't a statement of your skill but ability to make friends? Thus why VMA (solo content) or getting regular gear and golding it out made the game awesome. Thus why making best gear dependent on having 11 friends with time is BS?

thomas1970b16_ESO

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

Why should the already 'doing good' get better gear when they don't need it for the content they're doing?

Leaderboard scores.

Well if noone had perfected versions the playing field for score runs would be much more even, and skill would be what seperates people?

Yakidafi

@SJD_Phoenix it was not my logic, it was a question to a previous post.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

@Bbsample197 why should the already powerful become even more powerful? Do they need it?

Why should the already 'doing good' get better gear when they don't need it for the content they're doing?

@Seraphayel
Maybe more 'pros' will be less frustrated in random v dungeons XD

Most_Awesome

I'm fine with high end PvE gear dropping in hard mode trials aslong as it would have no effect what so ever in PvP, make them like the Marksman set but only against NPC.

Or give us the option to buy them with AP

veloSylraptor

No, the top players don't need more power anymore than anyone else does.

Wasn't the game advertised as "Play the way you like." So that would include crafting, dungeons, exploring, etc?

Why would one playstyle "deserve" something over other playstyles? why should we privilege certain playstyles over others?

After all, those players already got their well deserved reward for completing challenging content: They completed challenging content.

If its really about challenging content, then challenge is its own reward. Unless its really about putting down other people by artificially enforced systems for whatever reasons, but in that case... meh.

Edit for clarification: I don't really mind if the difference is minute as in Asylum weapons, but lets not kid ourselves that certain playstyles are superior and therefore more deserving than other playstyles.

Bbsample197

drake88131 wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

best items should be rewarded to the best players even if its just 1% of the playerbase


You dont need a perfected item sets if youre just playing casuals, you dont need gold items if your just doing normal content in the game


if you want to get a perfected item then be ready to put an effort to it, if not then be happy from what you get, i dont get why alot of players are complaining about that best items being locked on harder content ie vMA or vAS HM (heck the perfected verions of asylum isnt that far to the imperfected ones)

Because it is a game dude?! Because most of us don't want to be forced to climb a social ladder in this community or make our hobby a second job where we r required to either manage a social guild or be managed by someone. Because the community can be absolutely toxic and being constantly forced to play with said community isn't always the most enjoyable experience? Because if you can beat VMA then you can beat anything and the "perfected" gear isn't a statement of your skill but ability to make friends? Thus why VMA (solo content) or getting regular gear and golding it out made the game awesome. Thus why making best gear dependent on having 11 friends with time is BS?

yes no one is forcing you to climb the social ladder, better to give up on the said items, no one is forcing you but yourself


this is game, you got rewarded by the efforts you put into it, if itll just be handed to you on a silver platter id rather play an offline game with mods on it...

having best the hardest content with your guilds and friends is not BS no way it is? youve completed through the means of group coordination and alot of practice with your friends, if you categorize coordination as BS well idk what to say

Its a game but that doesnt mean you can get everything on EASY MODE, you still need to put efforts in what youre doing, if you dont feel like it then quit, its easy logic, dont let anyone let you down just because the community is toxic.

Bbsample197

veloSylraptor wrote: »

No, the top players don't need more power anymore than anyone else does.

Wasn't the game advertised as "Play the way you like." So that would include crafting, dungeons, exploring, etc?

Why would one playstyle "deserve" something over other playstyles? why should we privilege certain playstyles over others?

After all, those players already got their well deserved reward for completing challenging content: They completed challenging content.

If its really about challenging content, then challenge is its own reward. Unless its really about putting down other people by artificially enforced systems for whatever reasons, but in that case... meh.

Edit for clarification: I don't really mind if the difference is minute as in Asylum weapons, but lets not kid ourselves that certain playstyles are superior and therefore more deserving than other playstyles.

you know why the best gear are locked in harder content?? it not for the top players only

its for everyone to continually achieve that goal! i myself is still trying hard to succeed on vMA and other DLC dgn content on the game, if the rewards on those harder content will be worth it then im sure going to strive harder for it!!

this game isnt giving best items to TOP players to make them more powerful, theyre still learning the mechanics on every new content like us!!

what differs the TOP players from others is their dedication and their persistent practice on the said content! theyre no better than us really they just practice more and more!

someone argues that they dont have much time to play, and so be it! dont chase with the high end gears!! you dont have that time to play after all, im an example on this im to busy on my studies and my ping is too high to go through those hard content. i dont have the time to do vMoL or vHoF but i just sucked it up knowing i wouldnt get it.

i love games who reward their players through their efforts and devotion and not through their wallets

veloSylraptor

Bbsample197 wrote: »

you know why the best gear are locked in harder content?? it not for the top players only

its for everyone to continually achieve that goal! i myself is still trying hard to succeed on vMA and other DLC dgn content on the game, if the rewards on those harder content will be worth it then im sure going to strive harder for it!!

this game isnt giving best items to TOP players to make them more powerful, theyre still learning the mechanics on every new content like us!!

what differs the TOP players from others is their dedication and their persistent practice on the said content! theyre no better than us really they just practice more and more!

someone argues that they dont have much time to play, and so be it! dont chase with the high end gears!! you dont have that time to play after all, im an example on this im to busy on my studies and my ping is too high to go through those hard content. i dont have the time to do vMoL or vHoF but i just sucked it up knowing i wouldnt get it.

i love games who reward their players through their efforts and devotion and not through their wallets

So the point is to coerce people into doing something they may not enjoy? yeah, no.

Like I said, I don't mind a little bit of incentive being given to complete those content, but there is a difference between incentives and coercion. Making unique builds that perform a bit better than gear obtained outside of those difficult content, yeah sure that's an incentive (kinda). But to make those items a definite BiS and then hold them hostage to certain content is no other than coercion.

That's not even considering pvp yet, where power disparity enforced by a totally unrelated system is a bad idea.

Which is still not even considering players which may for whatever reason are not able to complete the content.

so yeah, you can argue that its not being done to give content to the top players, but that is the effective consequence of this, so it really doesn't matter whether or not that is why its being done, only that it is being done this way, and it is having this consequence.

Again just to clarify, I don't mind those content having some special items for them, so long as there are perfectly viable alternatives for players who cannot or just don't want to complete them.

Bbsample197

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Bbsample197 wrote: »

you know why the best gear are locked in harder content?? it not for the top players only

its for everyone to continually achieve that goal! i myself is still trying hard to succeed on vMA and other DLC dgn content on the game, if the rewards on those harder content will be worth it then im sure going to strive harder for it!!

this game isnt giving best items to TOP players to make them more powerful, theyre still learning the mechanics on every new content like us!!

what differs the TOP players from others is their dedication and their persistent practice on the said content! theyre no better than us really they just practice more and more!

someone argues that they dont have much time to play, and so be it! dont chase with the high end gears!! you dont have that time to play after all, im an example on this im to busy on my studies and my ping is too high to go through those hard content. i dont have the time to do vMoL or vHoF but i just sucked it up knowing i wouldnt get it.

i love games who reward their players through their efforts and devotion and not through their wallets

So the point is to coerce people into doing something they may not enjoy? yeah, no.

Like I said, I don't mind a little bit of incentive being given to complete those content, but there is a difference between incentives and coercion. Making unique builds that perform a bit better than gear obtained outside of those difficult content, yeah sure that's an incentive (kinda). But to make those items a definite BiS and then hold them hostage to certain content is no other than coercion.

That's not even considering pvp yet, where power disparity enforced by a totally unrelated system is a bad idea.

Which is still not even considering players which may for whatever reason are not able to complete the content.

so yeah, you can argue that its not being done to give content to the top players, but that is the effective consequence of this, so it really doesn't matter whether or not that is why its being done, only that it is being done this way, and it is having this consequence.

Again just to clarify, I don't mind those content having some special items for them, so long as there are perfectly viable alternatives for players who cannot or just don't want to complete them.

so you want every best items to be handed to with little effort? ye no, wheres the fun in that?
so youre pointing that coordinating and practicing with people on a harder content on an MMO isnt fun?

there are alot of alternatives for players who couldnt do it like myself the difference in power is minimal, is that just alot of ppl wants what they dont have

EDIT: no one is forcing you to do the harder content, "play the way you like", not "get the BiS items the way you like" theres a big difference