Older set viability after Summerset

SmellyUnlimited

Have been looking through old sets to see if any interesting combinations exist for post-Summerset changes.

It brought to mind the old Hist Bark / Tava’s combo. With the addition of jewelry crafting, this could become a very viable set up again (as you could run jewels, and add a monster set).

Twice-Born Star could make a a comeback. With the stamina set changes, running Lover/Warrior may become very strong. With the exception of Julianos, most Magicka users shun crafted sets. With staves becoming a two-piece, plus the jewelry, I wonder what could be possible. BiS may well become something craftable, and that would really shake-up the FarmVille that the game is currently.

Is Amber Plasm necessary, when you could just wear Willows Path jewelry/Gear? Could Alessia’s Bulwark become good again for tanks? 10% less damage, with no ICD, that can stack with Minor Maim and Mending, is pretty significant.

Kvatch Gladiator jewels/body with Bloodthirsty glyph?! True, getting them there may be more a challenge, but the potential would be devastating.

Have you thought of any interesting combinations that now may become viable?

Checkmath

the only old sets viable in a combo in my opinion are the tavas histbark combo. all other craftable sets remain left behind (not talking about those, who actually gets used). i rather think, that we will see some combos of the new set like shacklebreaker paired with innate axiom. those hybrid sets mostly grant more boni than others, so big stats are easy achievable.

GrumpyDuckling

Not sure about how viable it would be but I think it would be fun to run light armor with Fortified Brass + Armor Master (using Dampen Magic).

sneakymitchell

Ashen grip is so weak almost at the start of eso.

Sixty5

Twice Born Star will still be garbage TBH.

Consider that two of the set bonuses from the set are going to offer you nothing as a DPS, and then that you are getting anout 340 extra weapon damage from the Warrior.

Hundings, with full divines and Lover is going to give you 40 less weapon damage, but gives you the same stamina, alongside another 7.5% crit chance.

Twice Born was only ever viable with the old crit damage stacking mechanics, along with the older values of Shadow and Thief. Right now, any flat stat set plus a mundus is going to outperform Twice Born.

VilniusNastavnik

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers.

NMG + Hundings + 2 pce monster set

Rohamad_Ali

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Healers need to have have spc. Full stop. You are not serious about healing or supporting your team if you do not have spc.

Silver_Strider

I wonder if sets like Soulshine will be viable on a Magplar now that you can change the Healthy Trait into something more useful.

Yakidafi

Deathwish+ashen grip + nightflame, finally happening! So excited.

VilniusNastavnik

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Healers need to have have spc. Full stop. You are not serious about healing or supporting your team if you do not have spc.

PVP Healers.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Healers need to have have spc. Full stop. You are not serious about healing or supporting your team if you do not have spc.

PVP Healers.

PvP healers have been able to have 5/5/2 since you absolutely need to have s/b to counteract being focused.

And you didn't say pvp, you said "some". No pve healer will skip SPC. Full stop. Even in PvP it has value, even if the buff is capped at six players.

SmellyUnlimited

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Not sure about how viable it would be but I think it would be fun to run light armor with Fortified Brass + Armor Master (using Dampen Magic).

Wow, I had ACTUALLY also typed that exact same idea! I had some misgivings, though. My worry was Dampennot offering much of a shields, other than activating armor master. Though, any mitigation is good mitigation, so to get that + 5000 resists will definitely max you out on /spell. Magicka Regen would be pretty high.

@GrumpyDuckling I really like this idea. Plus, light armor nets you a good amount of spell critical, and spell resistance (not bad when you need a crit GDB). Could see this build being very good on a variety of tanks, but much moreso on Nightblade tanks, which may well join the forefront.

And as Staves will be two-piece, may be able to run a Fortified Brass ice-Staff backbar. When your stam gets low from S/B, can switch and put a little Mag to use (plus can run blockade for crusher/weakening uptime).

WuffyCerulei

If Mechanical Acuity isn't gonna be nerfed, I'm grabbing that with Julianos and Ilambris. Though, now that you mention it, having TBS may be cool too. I'll have to test that out when the PTS is updated.

Ladislao

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Healers need to have have spc. Full stop. You are not serious about healing or supporting your team if you do not have spc.

PVP Healers.

Especially full stop because Transmutation set. The remaining listed sets have always been an option as a second set.

Checkmath

or wizards riposte

Nelson_Rebel

Sixty5 wrote: »

Twice Born Star will still be garbage TBH.

Consider that two of the set bonuses from the set are going to offer you nothing as a DPS, and then that you are getting anout 340 extra weapon damage from the Warrior.

Hundings, with full divines and Lover is going to give you 40 less weapon damage, but gives you the same stamina, alongside another 7.5% crit chance.

Twice Born was only ever viable with the old crit damage stacking mechanics, along with the older values of Shadow and Thief. Right now, any flat stat set plus a mundus is going to outperform Twice Born.

For purely PvE DPS


This is likely true. But there are other applications people can, viably, use this for. The set isn't bad by any means. I suspect the dual mundus will find it's way into build again, albeit we won't know till we see the new sets in Summerset added

Septimus_Magna

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I wonder if sets like Soulshine will be viable on a Magplar now that you can change the Healthy Trait into something more useful.

Bloodthirsty on one (or more) of the jewelry pieces and Soulshine will be interesting on a magplar in PVP.

Checkmath

why not all three and you can jesus beam your way through everything;)

GrumpyDuckling

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Not sure about how viable it would be but I think it would be fun to run light armor with Fortified Brass + Armor Master (using Dampen Magic).

Wow, I had ACTUALLY also typed that exact same idea! I had some misgivings, though. My worry was Dampennot offering much of a shields, other than activating armor master. Though, any mitigation is good mitigation, so to get that + 5000 resists will definitely max you out on /spell. Magicka Regen would be pretty high.

@GrumpyDuckling I really like this idea. Plus, light armor nets you a good amount of spell critical, and spell resistance (not bad when you need a crit GDB). Could see this build being very good on a variety of tanks, but much moreso on Nightblade tanks, which may well join the forefront.

And as Staves will be two-piece, may be able to run a Fortified Brass ice-Staff backbar. When your stam gets low from S/B, can switch and put a little Mag to use (plus can run blockade for crusher/weakening uptime).

Yeah I wondered about Dampen as well. I wanted to use Immovable instead, but now it requires 5 pieces heavy, which seriously drops sustain and damage.

Septimus_Magna

Checkmath wrote: »

why not all three and you can jesus beam your way through everything;)

Haha, you do have to sacrifice quite a bit of magicka but it will probably work.

Maybe something like front bar Soulshine, back bar Lich, 2x Willpower jewelry and 1x Kena/Domihaus.

Checkmath

hey people are already theorycrafting about magicka speed builds and how to make up the magicka loss by two/three times 10% more speed on jewelry.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Kagrenac's hope + Magnus / Julianos / Seducer + 2pc Monster for some healers

This ^

Very excited for jewelry crafting with the buff to two handed items .

Healers need to have have spc. Full stop. You are not serious about healing or supporting your team if you do not have spc.

PVP Healers.

PvP healers have been able to have 5/5/2 since you absolutely need to have s/b to counteract being focused.

And you didn't say pvp, you said "some". No pve healer will skip SPC. Full stop. Even in PvP it has value, even if the buff is capped at six players.

Nerf spc?

Tasear

Checkmath wrote: »

hey people are already theorycrafting about magicka speed builds and how to make up the magicka loss by two/three times 10% more speed on jewelry.

I want to read ... where do people talk about this,m

_Salty_

Checkmath wrote: »

the only old sets viable in a combo in my opinion are the tavas histbark combo. all other craftable sets remain left behind (not talking about those, who actually gets used). i rather think, that we will see some combos of the new set like shacklebreaker paired with innate axiom. those hybrid sets mostly grant more boni than others, so big stats are easy achievable.

Shackle and innate will be my go to set for my nightblade tank in pvp.

Runefang

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

If Mechanical Acuity isn't gonna be nerfed, I'm grabbing that with Julianos and Ilambris. Though, now that you mention it, having TBS may be cool too. I'll have to test that out when the PTS is updated.

Juli + Acuity is a hard pass from me. Extra crit is wasted. The meta is going to be Moondancer/BSW/Architect + Acuity.

Zaan if you can stay in melee range otherwise skoria/ilambris.

Sorcs may run Necro or IA instead.

This all assumes no balancing happens.

Checkmath

I could persuady my guild to run vMoL yesterday, sinde i think moondancer will be a solid choice for my magplar. We went in and i came out after one run with three times gold jewelry and a flamestaff. Now im prepared for summerset

Minno

Kvatch is already really strong. It's not like other light attack sets that give a puny DMG bonus to your next light attack; it gives 1800 weapon damage on all of your light/heavy attacks under x percent. Which turns your 4k WD build into 5800 WD in PvP execute range.