Magblades nerfed into Oblivion??? (Summerset)

themaddaedra

Wow there, nothing is being nerfed to oblivion or something lol. I'm a NB lover and i only PvP with my magblade, and i wouldn't agree on it one bit. Cloak change is neither a nerf or a buff imo, it's just a change which makes NB a better tank for PvE. The resistance it gives is nothing tbh and i don't see any reason to qq about losing it. As for the invisibility, we still have disguise morph.

Strife nerf is bit too much, i agree on it tho. But NBs are real easy on sustain atm, they will be ok. I'd still love to see it being a bit more senseful but it's not the final dot anyways.

xaraan

They aren't "Nerfed to Oblivion". If you have to exaggerate that much to make your point you probably don't have much of a point and you aren't going to be taken seriously.

technohic

Technohic wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

d wrote: »

so, "out of anger" you want stamina nightblades nerfed instead.
that is not balance, thats called "revenge"

quoted for truth

You literally quoted yourself (again) but this time edited your own quoted name out...

SMH, at this point, I'm fairly confident you stopped playing and just troll the forums.

NBs are very strong and I wouldn't be concerned about the changes.

QFT

All this stuff is minor. Being able to cast shadow image without the target so behind LOS is going to make escaping easy for anyone. Reminds me of the assassin ability in SWTOR but having it available all the time.

Gilvoth

technohic wrote: »

Technohic wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

d wrote: »

so, "out of anger" you want stamina nightblades nerfed instead.
that is not balance, thats called "revenge"

quoted for truth

You literally quoted yourself (again) but this time edited your own quoted name out...

SMH, at this point, I'm fairly confident you stopped playing and just troll the forums.

NBs are very strong and I wouldn't be concerned about the changes.

Being able to cast shadow image without the target is going to make escaping easy

as it should be and Should have been since beta 2013.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

get ur heavy armor ready and reinforce your shields...gankblades coming back to cyrodill to 1shot everyone! NB4LIFE

Ectheliontnacil

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

No, lol. You misconstrued basically everything I said. I am not angry at stamblades and am not calling for them to be nerfed

no i did Not missunderstand, you did infact ask for a nightblade nerf to stamina nightblades.

read what you wrote.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

nightblade nerfs are here ... I was expecting something to happen, but to stamina nightblades and not to magicka nightblades.

you are asking for stamina nightblade nerfs. and you even Bolded it.

@dwemer_paleologist
LOL you read my post twice and you still don't understand it . Expecting something isn't wishing for it to happen get a dictionary and look it up if you don't believe me.

Ectheliontnacil

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I wonder if these "The sky is falling" threads have some merit to them; OP was clearly suffered some blunt force trauma to the head recently as have a few others on the forums...

So, going by rational thought instead of emotional instability, this is what I expect to happen in PvP. Either Magblade will switch to Shadowy Disguise and nothing fundamentally changes or there will be some Magblades that go the tank route, stack up several forms of mitigation, similar to what @Berenhir stated in his post and be another tanky nuisance while twiddling you down slowly or stalling til a zerg comes. Either way, I'm not seeing much of a nerf to Magblade now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to enjoy the Sky some more.

@Silver_Strider

"Blunt force trauma to the head"? Using all the subtlety and tact of a 3-year-old to imply that I am stupid? Well let me applaud your originality, your obvious genius has reinvented the art of discussion. Attempting to discredit your opponent's arguments through the use of immature and petty comments...how inspired!

Oh and I am emotionally unstable as well, am I? Well either you do believe this to be true, in which case it was insensitive to post it in such a way on the forums. Or it is yet another attempt to belittle my efforts to improve class balance. Of course you need to over dramatise discussion titles if you want people and developers to look at them...and the nerf to nightblade sustain is pretty massive.

"I'm going to enjoy the sky some more". Who says that? I mean if you're stoning on your balcony, by all means go ahead hope your mum doesn't catch you. The anonymity that forums provide makes certain people lose all common decency, I hope you can grow up and refrain from unwarranted attacks on other community members.

Marabornwingrion

Valera Progib wrote: »

Mmmmmm those sweet nightblade tears, yummy for my tommy

Be careful to not choke with them.

Ectheliontnacil

@Astrid_V Spoken like a true nightblade!

Dymence

Using 2h with forward momentum is not "a unique build", it is quite frankly a sad attempt of immitating a stamblade. Might aswell play stamblade instead, then.

Silver_Strider

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I wonder if these "The sky is falling" threads have some merit to them; OP was clearly suffered some blunt force trauma to the head recently as have a few others on the forums...

So, going by rational thought instead of emotional instability, this is what I expect to happen in PvP. Either Magblade will switch to Shadowy Disguise and nothing fundamentally changes or there will be some Magblades that go the tank route, stack up several forms of mitigation, similar to what @Berenhir stated in his post and be another tanky nuisance while twiddling you down slowly or stalling til a zerg comes. Either way, I'm not seeing much of a nerf to Magblade now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to enjoy the Sky some more.

@Silver_Strider

"Blunt force trauma to the head"? Using all the subtlety and tact of a 3-year-old to imply that I am stupid? Well let me applaud your originality, your obvious genius has reinvented the art of discussion. Attempting to discredit your opponent's arguments through the use of immature and petty comments...how inspired!

Oh and I am emotionally unstable as well, am I? Well either you do believe this to be true, in which case it was insensitive to post it in such a way on the forums. Or it is yet another attempt to belittle my efforts to improve class balance. Of course you need to over dramatise discussion titles if you want people and developers to look at them...and the nerf to nightblade sustain is pretty massive.

"I'm going to enjoy the sky some more". Who says that? I mean if you're stoning on your balcony, by all means go ahead hope your mum doesn't catch you. The anonymity that forums provide makes certain people lose all common decency, I hope you can grow up and refrain from unwarranted attacks on other community members.

The irony of it all.

Trust me when I say this, I don't censor myself in public so the anonymity of the internet has nothing to do with my response, it's just how I respond to people that would rather throw around baseless speculation than think things out in a reasonable way. The petty attacks on your person weren't necessarily targeted at you but rather to all people that behave like you, namely the "Doom and Gloom" people.

Both your original post as well as your response to my comment just show me an emotionally insecurity individual that would rather argue for the sake of arguing than take the time to argue against the actual points of my comment so I'll excuse myself out of this topic until you care to bring up valid points of discussion.

Ragnarock41

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

get ur heavy armor ready and reinforce your shields...gankblades coming back to cyrodill to 1shot everyone! NB4LIFE

except they didn't go anywhere.

xeNNNNN

My magblade laughs at this thread

I've got 45k mag so the strife nerf is meh. its a lot but I can deal with it.
Alls dark cloak did was give you minor protection (which is utterly pants btw) when stealthing which was meh when implosion and mage wrath exist.
Shadowy disguise is better for magblades due too the amount of burst we have anyway especially with bombblades, sure stamblades have more burst but we're not as far behind stam as people thing.

Seriously like....the only thing I will say is PERHAPS the strife nerf was a bit too far, but in the end for magblade pvp it wont change that much at all tbh.

Chufu

Let's test that on PTS. The best theory is nothing against the practice.

And then we know how hard the changes really are.

ascan7

They were weird nerfs.
Nightblade is surely the most overperforming class, but they nerfed two fine abilities

DemonDruaga

Missing health based heals are crap, every non tank dk already knows that xD don't know why they want to do that to NBs.
Cost increase for strife is a crapy pve balance move that *** up pvpers, in pve sustaining with witch mothers will still be possible, since force pulse is do able as well.

Ragnarock41

DemonDruaga wrote: »

Missing health based heals are crap, every non tank dk already knows that xD don't know why they want to do that to NBs.
Cost increase for strife is a crapy pve balance move that *** up pvpers, in pve sustaining with witch mothers will still be possible, since force pulse is do able as well.

I thought the new nb heal was max hp based, not missing. That being said just like green dragon blood, the hp scaling heal is obviously meant for tanks.

MehrunesFlagon

themaddaedra wrote: »

Wow there, nothing is being nerfed to oblivion or something lol. I'm a NB lover and i only PvP with my magblade, and i wouldn't agree on it one bit. Cloak change is neither a nerf or a buff imo, it's just a change which makes NB a better tank for PvE. The resistance it gives is nothing tbh and i don't see any reason to qq about losing it. As for the invisibility, we still have disguise morph.

Strife nerf is bit too much, i agree on it tho. But NBs are real easy on sustain atm, they will be ok. I'd still love to see it being a bit more senseful but it's not the final dot anyways.

Kind of find if *** to force us into more heavy attacks.Enough of hat ***.

Emmagoldman

Nerfed INTO OBLIVION!!!!!!

Or wait till pts.......

jaye63

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

just some of the reasons PvP and PvE should be separated.
Face it ZoS you fail at cross over builds.
One cannot do the other ever.
You might be a bad@ss in PvP but that same build will be a light weight in PvE
Same goes for the other way around.
Time to separate abilities and give them different adjustments from one side to the other.

This. There are three choices. Start from pvp and then build pve around that, All PvP, or all pve. Every game I have ever played that tries to do both separately, fails miserably. Please... no lists of games that have done it successfully. I said games I have played.

ccfeeling

He mentioned Strife nerfing was not a problem.
So the cost increase was acceptable.

SydneyGrey

As others have already said, they're actually going to get a damage boost once staves count as 2 weapon pieces, since we'll be able to have two 5-piece and one 2-piece set like dual wield has. That could be a 2,500 DPS boost, right there, minimum. At the very least it'll balance out any nerfs they get (I hope).

uso245

When the Vicious Death set came out bombblades were one of the most overpowered specs...

MrDenimChicken

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Disclaimer: This is a PvP discussion concerning the pre pts info we have on summerset.

Ok the nightblade nerfs are here and they're pretty massive. I was expecting something to happen, but to stamina nightblades and not to magicka nightblades. Which is incredulous, as magblades weren't and have never been overperforming in Cyrodiil. Even stamblades aren't as glaringly op as stamden, which continues to remain relatively untouched. Words really cannot express how deeply I am disappointed with these changes. For the first time in a very long while, magblade had access to some well timed burst and cloak wasn't broken by an enemy player looking at you, but magblades were still far, far away from being an OP class for openworld pvp. Magicka Nightblades have gone from *** to playable to *** again.

In order to avoid confusion I will try to explain how these changes will affect magblades in openworld pvp step by step.

Let's start with the big one: Strife nerf!!!
Basically the cost of strife and it's morphs has been changed to match the cost of force pulse. This is one of the biggest sustain nerfs, any class has ever received. Increasing the cost by about 500-700ish will result in a loss of 1k-1.4k magicka regeneration while spamcasting this ability. And even in a normal pvp and pve rotation where you are using other skills, you will still lose out on approximately 300-500 magicka regeneration. These numbers are huge, I would hesitate to hit a massively overperforming class with such a nerf, but as stated above magblades weren't even close to opness in openworld pvp.

Dark Cloak:
A lot of players may have been using shadowy disguise anyways, but in my opinion dark cloak was the superior morph for most magblade playstyles, as it offered some sorely needed dmg mitigation. (For ranged magblades) shadowy disguise is only really useful for a heavy attack out of cloak and therefore a removing the major protection is a nerf to the survivability of magicka nightblades. Healing for 33% of your max health may sound nice, but in pvp this will equate to a 2-3k heal on any non tank spec, which really isn't that great.

Light/Heavy Attack buff:
This again is indirectly a nerf to magblades. An increasing number of magblades have adopted a unique 2h melee playstyle which allows them to remove snares through forward momentum and gives them slightly increased burst with concealed weapon as their spammable at the cost of reduced healing over time and sustain. But now that weapon attacks are getting buffed, magicka builds may be forced to use staves in order not to miss out on too much damage.

Anyone telling me magicka nightblades are overperforming in openworld pvp, is mistaken. On pc EU there's like 5 truly successful openworld magblades...while Cyrodiil is swarming with stamblade gankers, wardens and all stamina classes in general.
In PvE magblades are pulling the highest dps (of mana classes) by being able to sustain a full light attack rotation. But don't just rek pvp magblades for the sake of pve balance. Either revert the merciless changes so that you need 5 light attacks before being able to fire the spectral bow (with a light attack weave) or simply buff the other magicka classes, magicka has been underperforming in pvp anyways so a buff would be welcome!

Why they nerfed magblades and not stamblades so massively is beyond my comprehension, if these changes make it to live, my 3 magblade characters will be on the brink of deletion, respecification (to bomblade) or a racechange to argonian (wich makes everything op ).

*** man, I JUST made a 2h magblade ....It's been fun as hell and now I see this. I was desperate in trying to get a good magblade cyrodil spec and I finally found one in 2h and now itll be back to just kinda giving up on magblade and going back to some stam class. *** man, this is so disappointing....

kypranb14_ESO

I too dislike the cost increase on Strife+morphs.

Lets take an in depth look at both the skills and the corresponding passives.

Strife: Heals 25% of the damage done every 2 seconds for 10 seconds, recasting bypasses the cooldown; 3% healing done for being slotted. increases Max Magicka by 8% for being slotted, generates 2 ultimate every 4 seconds

Force Pulse: 40% Chance to proc Burning, Concussed, and Chilled; Bypasses the "last" 10% of your opponents spell resist, can't be reflected, when you kill an enemy with it, restore 3,600 Magicka.

Strife: Passive healing while dealing damage, can heal an additional teammate or gain minor vitality based on morph, deals magic damage with no chance at status effects, increased damage from max magicka, and a bit of extra ultimate regen.

Force pulse can add more damage with burning and off-balance, more mitigation through minor maim procs, more damage through High Elf and Dark Elf Passives, MOAR damage with increased penetration, and increased sustain through Magicka back on kills. To top it off it conquers a casters biggest weakness, IT CAN'T BE REFLECTED!


I wouldn't mind the cost increase if they made Strife and it's Morphs unreflectable. After all, the animation suggests it's not a projectile, but rather tearing the life essence directly from your opponent.

Without some sort of buff to Strife, increasing the cost by nearly 50% is ludicrous. I admit *some* cost increase could be justified, but 50% seems excessive.

To all the people arguing that Concealed Weapon should cost less because of risk vs reward, try not to forget that using concealed weapon as your spammable gives your 100% uptime on Major Resolve, Major Ward, and grants 3% additional max health while slotted.


TL;DR: It sucks and could use adjustment, we will adapt and once again become the most complained about class, right up there next to sorcs.

PrayingSeraph

Coming from a magdk, cry me a river lol

kadar

The Strife nerf was a PVE focused nerf (which was needed) that will have little to no effect in PVE and a drastic effect in PVP where you can't have a constant stream of synergies and ele drain 100% of the time.

ccfeeling

Magblade play style

Weaving Strife during 20 sec of Siphoning Attacks and Merciless Resolve as much as possible. All 3 skills are cored structure of NB.

I have no idea why some MNB said sustain was not a problem. Are they NB?

Its not just a Strife nerfing at all, the total benefit from SA and MR are also reduced, lesser return and extra magicka when we recast, its another fatal nerfing in NB history.

Torbschka

@op

U have no idea, like really 0.

2h buff is a huge buff for mag MB , BUT the new Shadow image is just broken. U dont need to AIM at a target, u can just hop for and back 24/7.

Mag NB will be thenew 1vX Kings of cyro if that change goes life, mark my words.

joaaocaampos

Where can I see that there's no more Minor Protection in Dark Cloak? Links, please! As far as I know, Dark Cloak will be a morph for tanks. So, there's no logic in removing such a buff. Again, links please!