Necrotic orb moph?

ascan7

Hello everyone, i'm an argonian nightblade healer and i don't which morh i should take for Necrotic Orb
I know that the advised morph is Energy Orb, but i'm not really fond of it. I have already many hots and big heals, i don't think adding another one would be very helpful. Is Mystic Orb a good morph too?

Checkmath

both morphs are fine, but energy orb is more recommended for healers. if you go into trails, i think one healer should provide energy orbs, the other mystic orbs. maybe this statement is already outdated.
energy orbs have the advantage, that they dont do damage and so dont pull aggro. anyway the healing of the skills is pretty nice, while the damage morph only deals a little bit of damage. thats why it is rather the undesired morph.

Tasear

Honestly...I can't remember last time I see mystic orbs actual gameplay? Maybe it will change in the future with harmony triat?

ascan7

So the damage on Mystic Orb is negligible? Even the one of the explosion? Uhm...

FakeFox

Skills that combine a heal with a buff/synergy are always great because you can replace normal heals with them and therefore get more buffs/synergies out. Apart from that Energy Orbs are a great way to proc SPC, so definitely take that morph.

Tasear

ascan7 wrote: »

So the damage on Mystic Orb is negligible? Even the one of the explosion? Uhm...

Hmm... first I warn you 99% of people use healing orb. Now I recently tried mystic orbs. It is my experienced opinion that mystic orbs is definitely better choice for Templars healers who play in four man. Other classes don't have as strong of heal over time. Going future end game in 12 man content extra healing from orbs is too exceptional. So I hope that answers your question if not I can talk more.

driosketch

Does the energy morph provide still provide resources? They changed it a while back, but if it doesn't you want the morph that does.

Tasear

driosketch wrote: »

Does the energy morph provide still provide resources? They changed it a while back, but if it doesn't you want the morph that does.

Yes both provide resources back. It's either stanima or Magicka.

Tasear

Tasear wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Does the energy morph provide still provide resources? They changed it a while back, but if it doesn't you want the morph that does.

Yes both provide resources back. It's either stanima or Magicka.

Depends on maximum stat (Stamina or Magicka)of person getting syngery.

ascan7

Tasear wrote: »

Going future end game in 12 man content extra healing from orbs is too exceptional.

So for trials you totally advide the healing morph?

Hioxi

Both are good options. I’d definitely recommend you to use Energy Orbs for the harder veteran hardmode dungeons (last boss White-Gold Tower or Bloodroot Forge for example).

WuffyCerulei

Energy orb doesn't pull NPCs, while Mystic orb can. So you can shoot the healy orbs in whatever direction and not worry about unintentionally pulling before the group is ready.

driosketch

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Energy orb doesn't pull NPCs, while Mystic orb can. So you can shoot the healy orbs in whatever direction and not worry about unintentionally pulling before the group is ready.

I was trying this out and it's very true. In overland, those orbs keep going as far as the next enemy group.

ascan7

Do you think i should replace some hot skill like Mutagen for Energy Orb?

driosketch

ascan7 wrote: »

Do you think i should replace some hot skill like Mutagen for Energy Orb?

Generally no, mutagen is more valuable but you'll want both if you can. I guess you could swap mutagen for orbs in a tight stack formation if you have to. I would replace healing springs in spread our fights, making sure the orbs float towards the tank.

ascan7

Thank you very much. Bye bye mystic orb!

WuffyCerulei

I wouldn't ditch orbs for mutagen tho. Orbs give resources out to the group, and you can have several out at a time. Shards does the same, but you can only have one thing out a time.

troomar

I can tell you that sometimes the healing output of Energy orbs is greater than the Healing Spring's For example vAA last boss its super convenient to heal through Energy Orbs.
And DPS and tanks will love these balls too. Happiness all around

Tasear

ascan7 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Going future end game in 12 man content extra healing from orbs is too exceptional.

So for trials you totally advide the healing morph?

It's highly covient in larger arenas in trials, but yes if you don't want to primary be in 12 man dungeons then mystic orbs is better in it will output more group damage for group. It's what I would of done myself but greedy for heals. Might be more interesting with harmony buffing damage from this skill next patch.

Tasear

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I wouldn't ditch orbs for mutagen tho. Orbs give resources out to the group, and you can have several out at a time. Shards does the same, but you can only have one thing out a time.

I would in trials ditch mutagen, but in smaller and more chatotic groups mutagen is better to have on with spc proc

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

DisgracefulMind

For a full healer, Energy Orb is amazing, and the preferred morph.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

For a full healer, Energy Orb is amazing, and the preferred morph.

I would agree, I have 2 full healers, one temp and on warden, I have shards on my temp and mystic orbs on my warden, to help with DPS and resources. My temp has energy orbs, in case I actually run a trial. I had energy orbs on my warden but between sanguine altar, combat prayer, Enchanted growth and illustrious healing/Mutegen, that was plenty of healing for the content I was running, need more DPS then just lightning wall and heavy attacks.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

DisgracefulMind

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

For a full healer, Energy Orb is amazing, and the preferred morph.

I would agree, I have 2 full healers, one temp and on warden, I have shards on my temp and mystic orbs on my warden, to help with DPS and resources. My temp has energy orbs, in case I actually run a trial. I had energy orbs on my warden but between sanguine altar, combat prayer, Enchanted growth and illustrious healing/Mutegen, that was plenty of healing for the content I was running, need more DPS then just lightning wall and heavy attacks.

Typically in score runs, you won't see Mutagen/RR. And Energy Orbs is a high uptime provider for SPC, so that is why it, ultimately, becomes the preferred morph, even on a Warden.

Tasear

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

For a full healer, Energy Orb is amazing, and the preferred morph.

I would agree, I have 2 full healers, one temp and on warden, I have shards on my temp and mystic orbs on my warden, to help with DPS and resources. My temp has energy orbs, in case I actually run a trial. I had energy orbs on my warden but between sanguine altar, combat prayer, Enchanted growth and illustrious healing/Mutegen, that was plenty of healing for the content I was running, need more DPS then just lightning wall and heavy attacks.

Typically in score runs, you won't see Mutagen/RR. And Energy Orbs is a high uptime provider for SPC, so that is why it, ultimately, becomes the preferred morph, even on a Warden.

Still wondering about that damage...20k aoes could be interesting. Spc uptime could be upkeeped with ritual, blood altar and siphon spirit no?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

My tool tip is like 1.5k base, add in crits and such it is an easy ~2k dps. The synergy is based of the player who synergizes it. Literally my Warden only had lightning wall and that was it for damaging attacks. My templar healer has shards, purifying light and radiant Glory besides lightning wall and I was think about swapping out inner light for reflective light, depending on how long the major prophecy was, my temp gets around 15k dps and my warden was only doing 4k dps, with mystic orbs that went up. Oh how I wish there was something use in the animal companion skill line for healers besides netch. Something like growing swarm providing minor magic steal, so I could slot more damaging ablities like my temp.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

My tool tip is like 1.5k base, add in crits and such it is an easy ~2k dps. The synergy is based of the player who synergizes it. Literally my Warden only had lightning wall and that was it for damaging attacks. My templar healer has shards, purifying light and radiant Glory besides lightning wall and I was think about swapping out inner light for reflective light, depending on how long the major prophecy was, my temp gets around 15k dps and my warden was only doing 4k dps, with mystic orbs that went up. Oh how I wish there was something use in the animal companion skill line for healers besides netch. Something like growing swarm providing minor magic steal, so I could slot more damaging ablities like my temp.

So mystic orbs is aoe damage when bursted? Just trying figure out what meant when you said 20k earlier.

driosketch

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

My tool tip is like 1.5k base, add in crits and such it is an easy ~2k dps. The synergy is based of the player who synergizes it. Literally my Warden only had lightning wall and that was it for damaging attacks. My templar healer has shards, purifying light and radiant Glory besides lightning wall and I was think about swapping out inner light for reflective light, depending on how long the major prophecy was, my temp gets around 15k dps and my warden was only doing 4k dps, with mystic orbs that went up. Oh how I wish there was something use in the animal companion skill line for healers besides netch. Something like growing swarm providing minor magic steal, so I could slot more damaging ablities like my temp.

So mystic orbs is aoe damage when bursted? Just trying figure out what meant when you said 20k earlier.

Pretty sure it does damage to multiple enemies as they float through.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

driosketch wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

My tool tip is like 1.5k base, add in crits and such it is an easy ~2k dps. The synergy is based of the player who synergizes it. Literally my Warden only had lightning wall and that was it for damaging attacks. My templar healer has shards, purifying light and radiant Glory besides lightning wall and I was think about swapping out inner light for reflective light, depending on how long the major prophecy was, my temp gets around 15k dps and my warden was only doing 4k dps, with mystic orbs that went up. Oh how I wish there was something use in the animal companion skill line for healers besides netch. Something like growing swarm providing minor magic steal, so I could slot more damaging ablities like my temp.

So mystic orbs is aoe damage when bursted? Just trying figure out what meant when you said 20k earlier.

Pretty sure it does damage to multiple enemies as they float through.

When someone synergizes the orbs, the synergy does an AOE burst damage hit, the highest I have had reported by other players, as I cant see the damage as it the damage is attributed and scales with the other player stats regardless of stamina or Magicka though it does use spell Pen, was actually around 30k, though the average is around 20k.

Tasear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

I use mystic, I have used energy but I like the damage I do and the synergy does, I have had reports of 20k+ AOE hits, that is damage that gives resourses in 2 different ways.

How does damage from mystic work? On the tooltip it seems pretty small no?

My tool tip is like 1.5k base, add in crits and such it is an easy ~2k dps. The synergy is based of the player who synergizes it. Literally my Warden only had lightning wall and that was it for damaging attacks. My templar healer has shards, purifying light and radiant Glory besides lightning wall and I was think about swapping out inner light for reflective light, depending on how long the major prophecy was, my temp gets around 15k dps and my warden was only doing 4k dps, with mystic orbs that went up. Oh how I wish there was something use in the animal companion skill line for healers besides netch. Something like growing swarm providing minor magic steal, so I could slot more damaging ablities like my temp.

So mystic orbs is aoe damage when bursted? Just trying figure out what meant when you said 20k earlier.

Pretty sure it does damage to multiple enemies as they float through.

When someone synergizes the orbs, the synergy does an AOE burst damage hit, the highest I have had reported by other players, as I cant see the damage as it the damage is attributed and scales with the other player stats regardless of stamina or Magicka though it does use spell Pen, was actually around 30k, though the average is around 20k.

That could be interesting maybe trapping webs in not as bad as I thought.