To Zos: This will be the last time i ever pre order from ZOS

SRTtoZ

Kodrac wrote: »

He has a point though. There's really no bonus to preorder when all the goodies will be available later. Much later, but still, I have no incentive other than being able to play on day one without forgetting to buy it in time. Is there even Early Access this time around? Even if there, is early access is nothing more than extended beta.

But there is a bonus, its getting the items for free instead of paying for them. That's the bonus.

Motherball

If all u people w lots of disposable income and zero patience could tone it down a bit so I dont have to keep getting ripped off, that’d be great kthxbye

Cpt_Teemo

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

Look at PUBG's pre order items went up from 10$ to literally 800$ per pre ordered item, people are making nearly 2,000$ in total off the pre order items now

Billy2112

Its my Chapter and i want NOAW!

Peekachu99

If you want to wait a year for Summerset, that’s your prerogative. I’ll be playing and jewlery crafting next month.

Soulshine

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

This has been my view on most "pre-order" options for some time now. Buggy-ness issues aside, I don't think it's practical to expect anything to be exclusive anymore. Most "bonues" are just bling to entice people to spend more upfront and that's it. They get recycled at some point, especially the longer a game lives on.

Numerikuu

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I think personally this leans credibility to those railing against Chapters being nothing more than glorified DLC.

Eeeeexactly~ This is Zenimax basically confirming all the outrage. It's salt in the wound and a kick in the balls. If that's how you're going to treat your supposed 'chapters', then why make Summerset a chapter? Why even bother pre-ordering, when you can wait until after it releases to pick it up for cheaper, wait a couple of months for it go on sale, or wait until it ends up part of ESO+

DeadlyPhoenix

So I am failing to see the problem honestly. They are reselling the collectors edition, this isn't the pre-order bonus if I'm mistaken? Pre ordering gave separate bonus items didn't It?

They always rerelease the collectors edition for DLCs and such, Morrowind I didn't think would be any different.

They're adding Morrowind to ESO+ because if every new player had to buy each expansion 2 years from now to be relevant, most would simply opt to not play at all. Meaning they would need to buy Morrowind, Summerset, Murkmire, Elsweyr or whatever they release all at once. Instead you just need to purchase the most recent one as a new player to be up to date with everyone else.

You're paying for the content now, in a year from now it's not worth as much because most people that play have already completed and moved on from it.

antihero727

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

You couldn’t buy Morrowind with crowns, it had to be other form of payment.

Digielf

Do you mean Morrowind is not included in Summerset Pre-Order anymore?

Slick_007

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must remind everyone that Baiting, as well as Bashing, are violations of the rules that have in place. Let us please try to keep posts from this point on civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

did you remove all the ZOS posts baiting players by selling Morrowind as a chapter, and now changing your mind after you got everyones money?

iv already bought summerset, but i dont think i'll be buying any more 'chapters' from zos

DeadlyPhoenix

Slick_007 wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must remind everyone that Baiting, as well as Bashing, are violations of the rules that have in place. Let us please try to keep posts from this point on civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

did you remove all the ZOS posts baiting players by selling Morrowind as a chapter, and now changing your mind after you got everyones money?

iv already bought summerset, but i dont think i'll be buying any more 'chapters' from zos

Well just think of it this way. You paid for the Warden class.... Personally I don't even have a warden and have no interest in building one, but I had access to battlegrounds and all of Morrowind for a year.

Most likely this means that jewelcrafting will either be made base game next year like battlegrounds or they will lock it separately like they did Warden.

If you want to wait a year to access content by all means go ahead. I'm not rich or made of money, but this is actually very common practice in MMO's. Would you want to start a game that's been out for 6 years that had 5 expansions and have to pay full price for each expansion? Or would you instead go play a newer game for the price of the base game with no expansions yet that you will still have to buy?

Personally I've already pre-ordered the collectors edition and even if they announced this before I purchased it, I still would. I don't want to wait a year to have access to jewelcrafting and psijic skills. If you want to wait and get it cheaper go ahead.

As to it being a chapter vs DLC, it's still a chapter. They're separating the costs and features of all of Morrowind. Adding more base game features is never an issue for me, whether I paid for them at one point or not simply because I had access to them for a time before they made it free to all.

Look at my history, I'm not a ZOS supporter by any means and I'm not afraid to vocalize my opinion on their shady tactics. This time, however, I don't really see an issue with how they're doing Morrowind after Summerset.

VexingArcanist

This topic...really?

I pre-ordered just so I don't have to be concerned with forgetting to get it. There is nothing included in the pre-order OR the collector's edition that I care for.

When I picked up ESO Dec 2017 I got the Morrowind upgrade. Do I feel cheated it is included in the Summerset pre-order or that it is now $15 USD on Steam? No I do not.

Just like that other elephant MMO it is best to keep players up to current content so they don't get paywalled out from friends who are playing. I also think BGs should be core to the game, not a paywall.

TL;DR I fail to see the issue.

NewBlacksmurf

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

seems to be the model for most companies now

remember when they usta give actual tshirts with pre-orders for games?

Call me old but I kinda do want digital and actual t-shirt so my wife can complain about all the nerd t-shirts I wear. Its still cool when u run into someone in a game store or mall with an old pre-order T shirt from one of your favorite old games....even if they got it from Goodwill

Korah_Eaglecry

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

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Kingslayer513 wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I think my biggest frustration with the whole thing is that Morrowind was sold and billed as a chapter NOT a DLC. There was a difference, ZOS insisted, and that was why ESO+ members wouldn't get it as part of their membership.

Except now it's not a chapter? It'd be nice if they could make up their mind and have a consistent billing scheme.

I only just received Morrowind for Christmas (apparently should have waited and gotten as part of my membership, lol) and have barely played any of the content. I've got plenty left to do in game when I've got the time to play, so I might as well wait to see if Summerset eventually gets released for ESO+.

I think the biggest thing to point out (and what people are missing) is that they split up the Morrowind chapter and thus made it more DLC sized. The Morrowind you get through ESO+ is NOT the full Morrowind chapter. Morrowind chapter was the zone/quests/trial + battlegrounds + Warden class. The crown store Morrowind is only the zone/quests/trial. Battlegrounds is now basegame and Warden has to be purchased separately (not included with ESO+).

So people who pre-ordered Summerset in order to get Morrowind will still get the full chapter version of Morrowind, including the Warden class. The ESO+ version is just questing and a trial, which is exactly the size of other DLC.

Except other DLCs added more than just a new zone, quests and trials. Plenty of changes came rolling out of those DLCs that had large changes for the base game as well.

We have DLC in the crown store that's literally just a couple dungeons, so in the spectrum of crown store DLC this newly stripped down version of Morrowind fits right in. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the ESO+ version of Morrowind either; no matter how you look at it, the ESO+ version is not the full chapter, it's more DLC-sized.

Im really not upset about this announcement but I do think they are playing with fire here considering their stance 1 year ago about what makes something a Chapter and why its important we drop 60 dollars on it. Only to split it all up a year later and expect people to not still feel a certain way about it. What this tells me is that these Chapters dont have any sort of staying power when it comes to sales. That a year later Morrowind sales have tanked and the only way to revive interest in it is to include it in the next Chapter and downgrade it to a ESO+ DLC perk. I think personally this leans credibility to those railing against Chapters being nothing more than glorified DLC.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. Other MMOs have been doing this for a very long time, it's nothing new. When an MMO comes out with a big expansion, their focus is that new expansion and not all of the old ones. It's pretty routine for the old ones to get wrapped up into basegame to relieve some of the entry barrier for new players. It really has nothing to do with recent sales of the previous expansion. And again, I point out that you still have to purchase the Warden class separately, which IMO is the whole reason you could even call Morrowind a chapter. ZOS is just giving subscribers access to the zone that we've all had access to for a year.

So let me get this straight. Your response to me is to use Dungeon DLCs as your argument as to why this all makes sense?

You cant even be bothered to use an MMO that is close to the life stage of this game that uses this practice as evidence. Just that they exist. The only MMO out there that Im aware of that does this is WoW and theyre doing it now because they have so many Expacs that it would be a major deterrent for new players. Where as we are only on our 2nd Expac here. Blizzard was not including older Expacs in new Expacs early on in their games lifecycle.

Jounin13

I understand why they're doing the free morrowind with the summerset. I am a bit pissed with the fact that they told us or at least i read it as the fact that morrowind would never be a dlc. I will probably drop my eso+ and never buy anything again if they put morrowind on sale during morrowind's anniversity sale this year at the normal 700ish crowns that you can get most dlcs for during their sales.

RexyCat

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Remember the "All races all alliances" unlock that was supposed to be a pre order bonus for the original release and then ended up being in ALL the physical boxes sold in stores ?

Imperials where still not part of that deal, so it is not completely true with "all races".

zaria

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

So I am failing to see the problem honestly. They are reselling the collectors edition, this isn't the pre-order bonus if I'm mistaken? Pre ordering gave separate bonus items didn't It?

They always rerelease the collectors edition for DLCs and such, Morrowind I didn't think would be any different.

They're adding Morrowind to ESO+ because if every new player had to buy each expansion 2 years from now to be relevant, most would simply opt to not play at all. Meaning they would need to buy Morrowind, Summerset, Murkmire, Elsweyr or whatever they release all at once. Instead you just need to purchase the most recent one as a new player to be up to date with everyone else.

You're paying for the content now, in a year from now it's not worth as much because most people that play have already completed and moved on from it.

This, game content is fresh goods, if you buy an older game you get it cheaper you also got all the dlc / expansions once they started with that, the first part go back to Atari age.

Movies get released on TV after done on cinema, do you demand an refund on ticket?
Yes the chapter part is an bit fishy,
However I would say both the clown crates the one of crone items is worse.

AdamBourke

In my opinion, the only thing that should never be available again is the Beta Monkey.

Even the 3month, 6 month, 12 month rewards should be made available to people who have subscribed that long even after Tamriel Unlimited (That was the B2P change, right? )

Preorder bonuses, Collecter Edition bonuses... all that stuff should be available in the crown store - I would say even from the release. The bonus is that you get it free.

Limited Time only Crown Store items should also come back, even if not permanently, then cyclically.

Disclaimer: I don't pre-order for the bonuses, I do it to get it as soon as it's available, and also to support the company if I think they deserve it. Which I think ZOS do - i'm still playing their game and I want them to keep making it!

Tandor

Kodrac wrote: »

He has a point though. There's really no bonus to preorder when all the goodies will be available later. Much later, but still, I have no incentive other than being able to play on day one without forgetting to buy it in time. Is there even Early Access this time around? Even if there, is early access is nothing more than extended beta.

The way I interpret it, early access on PC isn't an extended beta, it's simply a diplomatic way of announcing a delayed release on console.

CapnPhoton

This sort of reminds me of the time I was in the mobile store and they were giving away free bluetooth chargers. There was a guy that walked away from a free iphone 8 and bluetooth charger just because it was not the deluxe model plate charger that was 3 times the price, calling them cheapskates on the way out.

ADarklore

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

That's fine OP... if you want to go a year being behind everyone else and not having access to various 'chapter exclusive content' go right ahead. If you followed this pattern with Summerset, you would be a whole year without Jewelry crafting.

Slick_007

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Well just think of it this way.

way to completely miss the point. ZOS argued with many of their customers over dlc vs chapters and now after taking everyones money they changed their mind. this is what cheeses me off. They started an uproar and insisted it was NOT DLC. But now it is.

I dont care that they bundled morrowind with summerset. perfectly fine with that. Bundling chapters together makes sense.