To Zos: This will be the last time i ever pre order from ZOS

lihentian

I don't mind you putting morrorwind in crown store, i don't mind too much that you handing them out for free. but pre order bonus now a part of regular bundle? GOOD JOB Zos, summerset will be last product i never pre order from your brand. [snip]

[Edit to remove bashing.]

Turelus

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

lihentian

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

Kodrac

He has a point though. There's really no bonus to preorder when all the goodies will be available later. Much later, but still, I have no incentive other than being able to play on day one without forgetting to buy it in time. Is there even Early Access this time around? Even if there, is early access is nothing more than extended beta.

lihentian

Kodrac wrote: »

He has a point though. There's really no bonus to preorder when all the goodies will be available later. Much later, but still, I have no incentive other than being able to play on day one without forgetting to buy it in time. Is there even Early Access this time around? Even if there, is early access is nothing more than extended beta.

there is, may 21 for pc user only. i guess you are right.. but still... really hurt my feeling....

Turelus

Pre-order bonus has only ever been a thing to make more money, show pre-sales and make investors happy.

It's not like game codes run out of print like games used to. I do somewhat understand your frustration OP but try to look at what you got for how much and the fact you've had a year of enjoyment out of it.

As long as you were happy with the purchase then you shouldn't worry about the future. If you really are upset the don't pre-order any more and buy the day after release or wait a year for the split version.

Motherball

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

Spacemonkey

pre-order gets you bundles for free with the purchase.

retail-like purchase get you immediate access (1 year)

they still need to buy morrowind with crowns (or eso+, and considering you could buy morrowind at one point for less than a monthly eso plus sub.... its a no brainer, this isnt an advantage)

Warden is sold separatly for crowns (thats a kick in the balls)

The crown price is unknown

aka. the ONLY thing is that now people buying the game for the first time GET morrowind. Is that really bad? Anyone with the game wanting morrowind that do not already have it, need to pay for it, and chances are that will still be as much or more than what most paid for morrowind (you could get it for 10$ at a few different occasions throughout the year)

So take the same with your pre-purchase of summerset. chances it will be available as base game purchase in 12+months.
But since you already have game, chances are it will cost you 10-20$ to upgrade to it through crowns in 12+ months (or free if you have eso+, but by which time youll have spent triple that cost in sub anyway). But probably have to dish out 5-10$ for the psyjic skill line as an extra if you DO choose to wait that time.

So no. Your pre-purchase isnt wasted.

EDIT:: reading the other comments; if the issue is wanting exclusive goodies. no you shouldnt be pre-ordering. theres no such thing as exclusive goodies in ESO and everyone knows that. They can choose to make anything come back at any time in crowns store and have proven it OFTEN.

ANGEL_BtVS

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

No thanks, I'd rather play it the day it launches rather than wait a year to save a few coins.

Turelus

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

No thanks, I'd rather play it the day it launches rather than wait a year to save a few coins.

Do we even know if it's a saving yet? I mean in theory it should be... but they could still jack the prices for Warden and you're effectively paying £10/mo for Morrowind unless you buy it stand alone for Crowns.

QuebraRegra

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

seems to be the model for most companies now

remember when they usta give actual tshirts with pre-orders for games?

Doctordarkspawn

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

They didn't say it, but they could have the decency to pick a pricing model and stick to it.

Plus, the fact Morrowind is now purchasable with crowns, or will be, and that Battlegrounds will now be part of the base game, despite the fact both of these were issues people railed ZOS over, is horse-crap. It's salt in the wound, and the marketing division of ZOS needs to kinda knock it off.

Turelus

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

seems to be the model for most companies now

remember when they usta give actual tshirts with pre-orders for games?

Remember when you pre-ordered because it was actually possible to not get the game on launch and not because it had incentives?

Rouven

Digital stuff is digital. When they sell this guy again separate then I'll start to go mhh.

inthecoconut

Are you talking about Morrowind being a preorder bonus to Summerset? Or are you talking about some other pre-order thing that happened when Morrowind came out in June 2017?

Kodrac

Turelus wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

seems to be the model for most companies now

remember when they usta give actual tshirts with pre-orders for games?

Remember when you pre-ordered because it was actually possible to not get the game on launch and not because it had incentives?

Heh, yeah. In the days you had to have a physical copy to install. That's when preordering was necessary. Otherwise you had to hope the store didn't run out of inventory or wait on the post to be able to play the new stuff.

heaven13

I think my biggest frustration with the whole thing is that Morrowind was sold and billed as a chapter NOT a DLC. There was a difference, ZOS insisted, and that was why ESO+ members wouldn't get it as part of their membership.

Except now it's not a chapter? It'd be nice if they could make up their mind and have a consistent billing scheme.

I only just received Morrowind for Christmas (apparently should have waited and gotten as part of my membership, lol) and have barely played any of the content. I've got plenty left to do in game when I've got the time to play, so I might as well wait to see if Summerset eventually gets released for ESO+.

Kingslayer513

heaven13 wrote: »

I think my biggest frustration with the whole thing is that Morrowind was sold and billed as a chapter NOT a DLC. There was a difference, ZOS insisted, and that was why ESO+ members wouldn't get it as part of their membership.

Except now it's not a chapter? It'd be nice if they could make up their mind and have a consistent billing scheme.

I only just received Morrowind for Christmas (apparently should have waited and gotten as part of my membership, lol) and have barely played any of the content. I've got plenty left to do in game when I've got the time to play, so I might as well wait to see if Summerset eventually gets released for ESO+.

I think the biggest thing to point out (and what people are missing) is that they split up the Morrowind chapter and thus made it more DLC sized. The Morrowind you get through ESO+ is NOT the full Morrowind chapter. Morrowind chapter was the zone/quests/trial + battlegrounds + Warden class. The crown store Morrowind is only the zone/quests/trial. Battlegrounds is now basegame and Warden has to be purchased separately (not included with ESO+).

So people who pre-ordered Summerset in order to get Morrowind will still get the full chapter version of Morrowind, including the Warden class. The ESO+ version is just questing and a trial, which is exactly the size of other DLC.

Kingslayer513

inthecoconut wrote: »

Are you talking about Morrowind being a preorder bonus to Summerset? Or are you talking about some other pre-order thing that happened when Morrowind came out in June 2017?

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26355?Coming-Soon:-Battlegrounds-for-All-&-Morrowind-Moving-to-Crown-Store-&-ESO-Plus!

DMuehlhausen

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

So welcome to essentailly every single other MMO or game that releases expansions out there? You think Blizzard charges full price for The Burning Crusade? No it's "included" when you buy the new expansion, along with Wrath, Mists, Cataclysm, Warlord etc. That's how it works products lose value and are sold for less when something new comes along.

lihentian

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

You got it for free, everyone else is paying for it.

They never said it was exclusive and everyone should have expected this considering Imperial Edition pre-order was sold separately.

oh well. i guess the lesson is don't expect pre order bonus to be pre order only. next time better just buy crown when it is on sale, then get the next chapter a year later. with full content, bonus at a much cheaper price..


p.s. usually when games do pre order bonus, these stuff should be exclusive.... i guess i expected too much from ZOS. never again~~ lesson learned.

So welcome to essentailly every single other MMO or game that releases expansions out there? You think Blizzard charges full price for The Burning Crusade? No it's "included" when you buy the new expansion, along with Wrath, Mists, Cataclysm, Warlord etc. That's how it works products lose value and are sold for less when something new comes along.

what are you talking about? am angry because pre order bonus aren't exclusive to pre order. which sentence of my original post give you the idea that am angry because it was on discount?

inthecoconut

I'm assuming you mean these things:

Armored War Horse mount
Dwarven Spider pet
Morag Tong Style
Collector's Edition Gray Bear
Character Emotes
Warden Costume
Dwarven War Dog pet
Treasure Maps
Dwarven Crown Crate
Experience Scrolls

Not really sure since I wasn't around during the release of Morrowind, but they are calling it the Morrowind Collector's pack, so I'm assuming these were things you got as a bonus for pre-ordering Morrowind?

I understand if your sole purpose for pre-ording was JUST to get these exclusive items, but as someone who wasn't around and missed it, I'm glad to at least be given the opportunity to get these items. If its any consolation, I'm sure the people who are buying the collector's pack through the crown store will likely end up paying a lot more than you did when you pre-ordered back in June. But maybe not, its still all up for speculation until they give us prices.

Argruna

We don't even know the crown price yet. On top of it all,

The zone of Vvardenfell and its associated story content will soon be added to the Crown store, available for purchase with crowns and also accessible with an active ESO Plus membership. Note that this only includes the zone, associated quests and the Halls of Fabrication Trial. It does not include the Warden Class.

Note that the Collector's Pack does not include the zone itself or Warden Class. It is simply a selection of bonus digital items that you could previously acquire with the digital Collector's Edition.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26355?Coming-Soon:-Battlegrounds-for-All-&-Morrowind-Moving-to-Crown-Store-&-ESO-Plus!

So, everything is separated even more. You have to buy the zone, the class and the goodies individually to get the full Morrowind chapter. So basically pre-ordering Summerset now has saved you the hassle as again, we don't know the crown prices yet, or buying Summerset before it's a year old so you get everything in one tidy bundle, get to play the moment it drops and, if I read this right, the senche mount is exclusive to the pre-order status, not the goodies that come with the chapter.

cazlonb16_ESO

Remember the "All races all alliances" unlock that was supposed to be a pre order bonus for the original release and then ended up being in ALL the physical boxes sold in stores ?

Korah_Eaglecry

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Kingslayer513 wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I think my biggest frustration with the whole thing is that Morrowind was sold and billed as a chapter NOT a DLC. There was a difference, ZOS insisted, and that was why ESO+ members wouldn't get it as part of their membership.

Except now it's not a chapter? It'd be nice if they could make up their mind and have a consistent billing scheme.

I only just received Morrowind for Christmas (apparently should have waited and gotten as part of my membership, lol) and have barely played any of the content. I've got plenty left to do in game when I've got the time to play, so I might as well wait to see if Summerset eventually gets released for ESO+.

I think the biggest thing to point out (and what people are missing) is that they split up the Morrowind chapter and thus made it more DLC sized. The Morrowind you get through ESO+ is NOT the full Morrowind chapter. Morrowind chapter was the zone/quests/trial + battlegrounds + Warden class. The crown store Morrowind is only the zone/quests/trial. Battlegrounds is now basegame and Warden has to be purchased separately (not included with ESO+).

So people who pre-ordered Summerset in order to get Morrowind will still get the full chapter version of Morrowind, including the Warden class. The ESO+ version is just questing and a trial, which is exactly the size of other DLC.

Except other DLCs added more than just a new zone, quests and trials. Plenty of changes came rolling out of those DLCs that had large changes for the base game as well.

Im really not upset about this announcement but I do think they are playing with fire here considering their stance 1 year ago about what makes something a Chapter and why its important we drop 60 dollars on it. Only to split it all up a year later and expect people to not still feel a certain way about it. What this tells me is that these Chapters dont have any sort of staying power when it comes to sales. That a year later Morrowind sales have tanked and the only way to revive interest in it is to include it in the next Chapter and downgrade it to a ESO+ DLC perk. I think personally this leans credibility to those railing against Chapters being nothing more than glorified DLC.

Juju_beans

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

Shouldn't preorder anything, tbh. It sets a very bad precedent that the company can put out whatever trash it wants and people will buy it up.

seems to be the model for most companies now

remember when they usta give actual tshirts with pre-orders for games?

It's been a model for MMO's for quite some time.

Wow is 14 years old. They have to merge previous expansions into the base otherwise it becomes cost prohibitive for new players.

Kiralyn2000

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Remember the "All races all alliances" unlock that was supposed to be a pre order bonus for the original release and then ended up being in ALL the physical boxes sold in stores ?

I've bought physical PS4 games from Amazon, months after release, and gotten the "Day 1 Edition" box with bonus codes in it. They're really not all that "limited" or "exclusive" anymore.

VaranisArano

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Yeah, the ESO+ members who should have gotten the DLC Morrowind for free last year except ZOS bundled it with Battlegrounds and Warden so they didnt have to give it away for free to subscribers. Morrowind zone was always a DLC. The "Chapter" was always an excuse to make ESO+ members pay for bundled DLC.

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we must remind everyone that Baiting, as well as Bashing, are violations of the rules that have in place. Let us please try to keep posts from this point on civil and constructive.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Kingslayer513

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

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Kingslayer513 wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I think my biggest frustration with the whole thing is that Morrowind was sold and billed as a chapter NOT a DLC. There was a difference, ZOS insisted, and that was why ESO+ members wouldn't get it as part of their membership.

Except now it's not a chapter? It'd be nice if they could make up their mind and have a consistent billing scheme.

I only just received Morrowind for Christmas (apparently should have waited and gotten as part of my membership, lol) and have barely played any of the content. I've got plenty left to do in game when I've got the time to play, so I might as well wait to see if Summerset eventually gets released for ESO+.

I think the biggest thing to point out (and what people are missing) is that they split up the Morrowind chapter and thus made it more DLC sized. The Morrowind you get through ESO+ is NOT the full Morrowind chapter. Morrowind chapter was the zone/quests/trial + battlegrounds + Warden class. The crown store Morrowind is only the zone/quests/trial. Battlegrounds is now basegame and Warden has to be purchased separately (not included with ESO+).

So people who pre-ordered Summerset in order to get Morrowind will still get the full chapter version of Morrowind, including the Warden class. The ESO+ version is just questing and a trial, which is exactly the size of other DLC.

Except other DLCs added more than just a new zone, quests and trials. Plenty of changes came rolling out of those DLCs that had large changes for the base game as well.

We have DLC in the crown store that's literally just a couple dungeons, so in the spectrum of crown store DLC this newly stripped down version of Morrowind fits right in. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the ESO+ version of Morrowind either; no matter how you look at it, the ESO+ version is not the full chapter, it's more DLC-sized.

Im really not upset about this announcement but I do think they are playing with fire here considering their stance 1 year ago about what makes something a Chapter and why its important we drop 60 dollars on it. Only to split it all up a year later and expect people to not still feel a certain way about it. What this tells me is that these Chapters dont have any sort of staying power when it comes to sales. That a year later Morrowind sales have tanked and the only way to revive interest in it is to include it in the next Chapter and downgrade it to a ESO+ DLC perk. I think personally this leans credibility to those railing against Chapters being nothing more than glorified DLC.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. Other MMOs have been doing this for a very long time, it's nothing new. When an MMO comes out with a big expansion, their focus is that new expansion and not all of the old ones. It's pretty routine for the old ones to get wrapped up into basegame to relieve some of the entry barrier for new players. It really has nothing to do with recent sales of the previous expansion. And again, I point out that you still have to purchase the Warden class separately, which IMO is the whole reason you could even call Morrowind a chapter. ZOS is just giving subscribers access to the zone that we've all had access to for a year.

Yamenstein

lihentian wrote: »

I don't mind you putting morrorwind in crown store, i don't mind too much that you handing them out for free. but pre order bonus now a part of regular bundle? GOOD JOB Zos, summerset will be last product i never pre order from your brand. [snip]

[Edit to remove bashing.]

Okay if you don't want something in advance then that's fine ?

If you bought the latest chapter with Morrowind included then you get to have Morrowind now. You also get to keep the game so it's not tied to your subscription and you get both the chapter and the class that comes in chapter.

Most importantly you get to play it right now from what I understand. I already have Morrowind when it first came out, so I've finished it and have no plans to play with you in that zone unless you're part of a guild that runs the trial. I guess a positive to buying it with a lot of other people when it's fresh ?