Morrowind and Warden in Crown Store

Jolipinator

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26355?Coming-Soon:-Battlegrounds-for-All-&-Morrowind-Moving-to-Crown-Store-&-ESO-Plus!

Too late for anyone who wants them though.

VaranisArano

Wow. Just. Wow.
I mean, yeah, I wasn't going to wait an entire year to play Morrowind and Battlegrounds, but this really shows the truth we already knew: that this "Chapter" stuff was just a blatant money grab.

JD2013

Interesting. Access to Morrowind etc in the Crown Store and access with ESO Plus ...

Discuss.

Turelus

Personally I am fine with this. I mean everything other than Battlegrounds still costs money and I paid for early access and easily got my value out of it.

I think this is a very good thing for ESO in the long run as it lets newer players into the game and grab the bits they want and improved BG queues by giving more people access.

VaranisArano

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I am fine with this. I mean everything other than Battlegrounds still costs money and I paid for early access and easily got my value out of it.

I think this is a very good thing for ESO in the long run as it lets newer players into the game and grab the bits they want and improved BG queues by giving more people access.

I agree its a good thing. I am annoyed that ZOS thinks I am too stupid to figure out the cash grab they did with Morrowind.

Morrowind was always 3 DLC crammed into 1 "Chapter." If they had released it this way or as 3 DLC from the beginning, I would have praised them for excellent content at an excellent price. Instead they soaked ESO+ members for cash.

anadandy

I bought Morrowind for a friend the day before the Summerset announcement. Then they gave it away with Summerset pre-order and now this. But I'm not going to cry over $20 - I just have to laugh, seriously. Even my RL RNG sucks!

lygerseye

ZoS, I love the game, I really do. Been a subscriber since launch and have kept ESO+ going ever since because I wanted to show you my support, so I appreciate the bonus stuff you’ve given us since then.

I kind of thought the whole “it’s not a DLC, it’s a ‘Chapter’” thing was kind of shady, but I went with it. I know you have to make your money.

However, this... This just pisses my shite off. Now it’s suddenly a DLC?!

Crap move.

coop500

I pre-ordered Morrowind, but this is good IMO, the content is a year old, making it more accessible to others will increase the health of the content. I can mention playing Wardens when people ask about classes without 50+ people saying they don't have it. I can suggest battlegrounds as a easy way to get AP without wondering if they have Morrowind or not.

Katahdin

The link goes to a dead website for me can't see what it says

Lokryn

*sigh* I wish I would have waited. I just now finished Orsinium, DB, TG. And I don't really like Warden.

Apache_Kid

LOL

Edit: I do actually like that BGs are base-game now but this whole "It's not a DLC it's a chapter" was shady as hell.

Also the strange fact that these "Chapters" are like the only thing you can buy from the Xbox Store that can't be game-shared. I've never had a DLC for a game, or any full-game, that was unable to be shared. Crazy how they managed to get some special exemption from Microsoft for this.

Geroken777

VaranisArano wrote: »

Wow. Just. Wow.
I mean, yeah, I wasn't going to wait an entire year to play Morrowind and Battlegrounds, but this really shows the truth we already knew: that this "Chapter" stuff was just a blatant money grab.

This. Just this.

Jolipinator

Katahdin wrote: »

The link goes to a dead website for me can't see what it says

Sorry I used the link from Twitter. I updated it now.

Korlian

As someone who recently purchased Morrowind and have ESO+ and have yet to start the chapter because I wanted to finish up the base game stories first (I'm very close), I feel I just got scammed, again.

In general I feel they're confusing people on purpose when it comes to pricing things. You can get the same things in multiple ways for multiple different price tags, and none of it is clear to the buyer. Many times I've discovered this, long after purchasing something. I love the game, I love the content, I want more of it, I'm happy to pay for it, but the feeling of being tricked all the time is not good.

I wish pricing overall was more honest and transparent.

Troneon

HAHA!

CALLED IT!

All along they were never expansions or chapters...just...

FAKE DLC!

themaddaedra

I'm also fine with decision. I'm even impressed with the idea.

Demion

Battleground should have been in the core game for start but will now be accessed to many more thats good, Morrowind moving to ESO+ Im fine with this as I have got plenty of hours of fun from the best written story areas to date in ESO and now many more will get the hands on it, but I guess there will be alot of people getting butthurt over this market scheme.

Wonder if people will stay away from buying Summerset now and wait a hole year of not be able to get more content and get if for ESO+

For those with ESO+ enjoy Morrowind its a fantastic area to explore

Elwendryll

I'm personally totally fine with "old" (old as... not the latest) content being accessible in an easier way. I pre-ordered Morrowind, I pre-ordered Summerset, I will pre-order the following chapter... And I will keep doing this as long as they are making content. One year of access is totally worth the price. And, I suppose that, as a new player, the amount of content not included in the base game may be frightening. I compare this to the changes in the experience curve for the champion points after each new cap, it allows new players to keep up more easily.

RebelFireStorm

Now I'm reconsidering my Summerset pre-order. I could've gone a year without Morrowind or Warden easily if I had known, but y'all made it seem like it was the only way to ever see either. (Especially since Warden was a disappointment to me, tbh)

Between this and ZoS blatantly going against what they originally said about RNG boxes, I'm taking nothing y'all say at your word. I might have a terrible memory, but it's insulting for you to think it's that bad.

anadandy

Demion wrote: »

Wonder if people will stay away from buying Summerset now and wait a hole year of not be able to get more content and get if for ESO+

I was curious about this too. I know many people will still buy right away - but for the late adopters, why not just wait a year and be able to cherry pick the features you want (or in the case of ESO+ just get it free)

Troneon

Why didn't they allow people to buy them with crowns from the beginning?

ravendies

I was going to preorder Summerset but now it is pointless as some time later I will be able to buy it with crown from Plus.

VaranisArano

Troneon wrote: »

Why didn't they allow people to buy them with crowns from the beginning?

Because they wanted cash. Not I-bought-them-on-sale Crowns.

Cash, which is why these weren't just good DLC, fantastic DLC even, from the beginning.

Juju_beans

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Defilted

How is this a bad thing? I pre-ordered Morrowind and I am in no way concerned with this change. The older something gets the cheaper it is. This is true on all kinds of products.

ZOS made something and I bought it. This new change does not change the fact that you have to pay for products and services.

I am sure that summerset will have the same cycle. So wait until next june and you will get it at a reduced cost or the part you want. The rest of us will pay for the product and enjoy playing it.

Apache_Kid

Juju_beans wrote: »

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Other MMO's didn't have a set system about how they classify and release DLC, make an exception to that system for a quick cash grab, and then re-integrate the exception back into the old system.

I've never seen anything like this.

JD2013

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Other MMO's didn't have a set system about how they classify and release DLC, make an exception to that system for a quick cash grab, and then re-integrate the exception back into the old system.

I've never seen anything like this.

WoW adds previous expansions to base package every time a new one comes, and people have to pay a mandatory sub.

Korlian

Defilted wrote: »

How is this a bad thing? I pre-ordered Morrowind and I am in no way concerned with this change. The older something gets the cheaper it is. This is true on all kinds of products.

It's not a bad thing. What's bad is how they do it. Like to put Morrowind on sale 1 week before announcing it's going to be included in the base game in 1 month, what would you call that?

Juju_beans

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Other MMO's didn't have a set system about how they classify and release DLC, make an exception to that system for a quick cash grab, and then re-integrate the exception back into the old system.

I've never seen anything like this.

If you think you are being cheated then don't buy new chapters. Within a year they'll get integrated into the base and then you'll have your "free game".

Example: Wow is 14 years old. How much do you think it would cost you if you wanted to play today and they hadn't put all their expansions into the base ?

Base + current expansion keeps the game cost down to attract new players.

Apache_Kid

JD2013 wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Other MMO's didn't have a set system about how they classify and release DLC, make an exception to that system for a quick cash grab, and then re-integrate the exception back into the old system.

I've never seen anything like this.

WoW adds previous expansions to base package every time a new one comes, and people have to pay a mandatory sub.

That is still not the same thing that happened here. If WoW gave out all expansions with sub, then decided you had to buy one separately that wasn't with the sub, and then 1 year later, put that expansion back with the sub, then you could compare the two.

But that isn't what happened with WoW.

VaranisArano

Juju_beans wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

it's good business sense...roll the previous expansion into the base.
This way brand new players to the game only have to buy the base + current expansion to play.

This is how other MMO's do it.

Other MMO's didn't have a set system about how they classify and release DLC, make an exception to that system for a quick cash grab, and then re-integrate the exception back into the old system.

I've never seen anything like this.

If you think you are being cheated then don't buy new chapters. Within a year they'll get integrated into the base and then you'll have your "free game".

Example: Wow is 14 years old. How much do you think it would cost you if you wanted to play today and they hadn't put all their expansions into the base ?

Base + current expansion keeps the game cost down to attract new players.

I'm not concerned with being cheated, because I would have bought the pre-order anyway.

I am concerned that ZOS thinks its acceptable to label content as a "Chapter", charge money for it, then re-release at as the DLC they obviously were, as if we can't see what they are doing.

The lack of transparency and the blatancy of the cash grab are a bad look for ZOS.