[Video] Several 30k ap + bombs on IA in one short video

GeneralSezme

Enjoy part 2 of the critically acclaimed series Nuclear Launch Detected! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aykzyukjYac&feature=youtu.be

Master_Kas

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

GeneralSezme

Master_Kas wrote: »

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

Well rip bombing, just gotta enjoy it while it lasts I guess lol

IxSTALKERxI

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

Well rip bombing, just gotta enjoy it while it lasts I guess lol

Empower doesn't change anything... it doesn't even work on AoE.. When you hit empower you only increase the damage of either soul tether or sap against one of the targets hit, not all of them. It doesn't even work on proxy det at all.

BigBadVolk

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

Well rip bombing, just gotta enjoy it while it lasts I guess lol

Empower doesn't change anything... it doesn't even work on AoE.. When you hit empower you only increase the damage of either soul tether or sap against one of the targets hit, not all of them. It doesn't even work on proxy det at all.

plus we get a magicka minor force, it may worth a try 12 sec is a lot of time

Subversus

Master_Kas wrote: »

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

How will empower changes change ANYTHING for magblade bombing? If anything we get buffed because we get minor force on our already high crit chance/damage + autocrit proxy or tether.

WuffyCerulei

Spicy DC kills

Master_Kas

Subversus wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Watching these clips makes me sad as empower getting changed in the upcoming patch.

Another buff to zergs.

How will empower changes change ANYTHING for magblade bombing? If anything we get buffed because we get minor force on our already high crit chance/damage + autocrit proxy or tether.

I always thought empower works on your first attack (tether) vs all you hit. My bad for not knowing it all.

20% less damage on one player will make starting the vd chain reaction even harder unless you bomb 20k HP players wearing divine armor.

We'll see how it changes. The minor force will help tough for sure.

Lexxypwns

Pre-PTS info suggests bombers get buffed and not nerfed, idk what you guys are talking about

@GeneralSezme great video

Aedaryl

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

Subversus

Aedaryl wrote: »

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

There are some yuuuuuge buffs coming with the changes on 2h weapons, which I won’t go into but most can probably figure out. Not to mention shadow image change. Ohhhh dear I’m so moist!!

But anyway, very entertaining video @GeneralSezme !

Baz

Aedaryl wrote: »

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

DW still win on abilities. Don't forget also that you can stack Nirn + sharp

Vaoh

Shadow Image doesn’t need a target next patch, and you have extra prebuffs from the Psijic skill line you can use before bombing too (Minor Crit Dmg buff). You’re going to enjoy those changes ._.

Lexxypwns

Baz wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

DW still win on abilities. Don't forget also that you can stack Nirn + sharp

But 2h will have much higher tooltip and Forward momentum to counter snares.

I think both will be viable of course but it is worth testing. You’ll lose VD proc damage without sharpened but you will get that first proc easier

GeneralSezme

Aedaryl wrote: »

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

Interesting, will be worth testing

pcar944

maybe only one comment, you used to be able to do this to people who weren't at the portal to a different keep

that time has long passed

love the vid make more !

Lucky28

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

Interesting, will be worth testing

yeah. but i do think on live i am extremely close to the hard cap for crit damage..... so, might be nerf

GeneralSezme

pcar944 wrote: »

maybe only one comment, you used to be able to do this to people who weren't at the portal to a different keep

that time has long passed

love the vid make more !

What?

GeneralSezme

Lucky28 wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

Interesting, will be worth testing

yeah. but i do think on live i am extremely close to the hard cap for crit damage..... so, might be nerf

don't think the crit is a big deal since your first part of ur bomb is a guaranteed crit from cloak.

Agrippa_Invisus

WTB more IA bombs. PST

Vencenzo

Sick bombs sezme, liked and subbed.

P.S. Lightning staff is mathing out better after set changes.

GeneralSezme

Vencenzo wrote: »

Sick bombs sezme, liked and subbed.

P.S. Lightning staff is mathing out better after set changes.

Yea I got lightning staves already for my sets

frozywozy

I see you have an appetite for destruction

asneakybanana

Lucky28 wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Bomber will be extremely buffed next patch.

- Minor force (12% more damage) on all critical hit is better than empower. (20% more damage to 1 ability is not better than 12% more damage to 2 ability).

- Shadow Image can be placed without a target. This make bomber able to escape all the time.

Potentialy :

-Undo for going back to the previous location after the bomb if shadow image can really not be placed without being see.

- Maybe ligtning staff bombing will be better than dual wield bombing (8% more AoE damage). Need to do the maths.

Interesting, will be worth testing

yeah. but i do think on live i am extremely close to the hard cap for crit damage..... so, might be nerf

There is no hard cap on crit hit dmg. In pve stamblade with horn and trap is almost at a 2.1x crit multiplier. Also about the crit chance, if you run acuity or shadowy disguise you will be guaranteed to crit so pretty much the highest % damage increase comes from crit hit damage when you have either of those procced.

Talcyndl

Bombing does nothing to counter zergs. It's almost always an after the fact AP farm, killing people standing around on a flag after taking a keep/resource. While the zerg is moving and healing/AoE'ing, a bomber is basically powerless.

frozywozy

Talcyndl wrote: »

Bombing does nothing to counter zergs. It's almost always an after the fact AP farm, killing people standing around on a flag after taking a keep/resource. While the zerg is moving and healing/AoE'ing, a bomber is basically powerless.

I disagree. The only ways to effectively kill organized groups of 12+ members all running earthgore is to either :

- Prox + destro + sap
- Shalk + DB + steel tornado

Even if you bait earthgore prior of your engagement, its almost impossible to make all of them proc. So to compensate the massive healing of earthgore, you need equivalent burst.

Talcyndl

frozywozy wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Bombing does nothing to counter zergs. It's almost always an after the fact AP farm, killing people standing around on a flag after taking a keep/resource. While the zerg is moving and healing/AoE'ing, a bomber is basically powerless.

I disagree. The only ways to effectively kill organized groups of 12+ members all running earthgore is to either :

- Prox + destro + sap
- Shalk + DB + steel tornado

Even if you bait earthgore prior of your engagement, its almost impossible to make all of them proc. So to compensate the massive healing of earthgore, you need equivalent burst.

Frozy,

Your talking about running bombers as part of the burst damage in a large group. Having one large group kill another doesn't do much to stop zergs. Now the whole earthgore issue is a different matter.

I'm talking about people who claim that the solo bomblade is somehow a counter to the zerg. Just looking at the video in this thread, it's clear that the bombers are simply focused on AP. The bomb almost always happens after the zerg has taken a keep/resource. The result rarely kills the entire enemy force who simply rezzes and moves on.

frozywozy

Talcyndl wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Bombing does nothing to counter zergs. It's almost always an after the fact AP farm, killing people standing around on a flag after taking a keep/resource. While the zerg is moving and healing/AoE'ing, a bomber is basically powerless.

I disagree. The only ways to effectively kill organized groups of 12+ members all running earthgore is to either :

- Prox + destro + sap
- Shalk + DB + steel tornado

Even if you bait earthgore prior of your engagement, its almost impossible to make all of them proc. So to compensate the massive healing of earthgore, you need equivalent burst.

Frozy,

Your talking about running bombers as part of the burst damage in a large group. Having one large group kill another doesn't do much to stop zergs. Now the whole earthgore issue is a different matter.

I'm talking about people who claim that the solo bomblade is somehow a counter to the zerg. Just looking at the video in this thread, it's clear that the bombers are simply focused on AP. The bomb almost always happens after the zerg has taken a keep/resource. The result rarely kills the entire enemy force who simply rezzes and moves on.

A solo bomber is still the best threat to a mindless zerg of random players stacking close to each other when passing in a choke point imo. In this video it does not show it but it is crazy how a good solo bomber can change everything if he engages an organized raid already getting zerged down by alot of players.

Talcyndl

frozywozy wrote: »

A solo bomber is still the best threat to a mindless zerg of random players stacking close to each other when passing in a choke point imo. In this video it does not show it but it is crazy how a good solo bomber can change everything if he engages an organized raid already getting zerged down by alot of players.

Possible, but from what I've seen (or not seen), it's pretty rare. Most of the bombers seem much more interested in letting the keep flip (or almost flip) while stealthed and then bombing the flag or transitus.