Housing Slot Increases WILL NOT Be Coming With Summerset

Aliyavana

To quote Community Ambassador and play tester Nestor

Nestor wrote: »

This was asked, and, no, Housing Slots are not due an increase.

The reason was given as a Technical one, related to the consoles (and I am guessing lower end PC's). The exact reason was not revealed. I know the devs want to give more slots, they just can't.

it seems inferior hardware is holding us back. In the case of console I think they should take one for the team and understand that they will probably have to wait till next gen of consoles for more housing slots if when the tech that releases come closer to the power of pc that's necessary for new housing slots to be added. No offence to console players. As for lower end pcs, A solution is to give the message "This house exceeds the normal limit, are you sure you want to teleport there?" Would help alleviate that issue. Or simply stop releasing houses that are the size of palaces that are impossible to fill them and properly decorate them and not even a slight slot increase to help alleviate the problem.

Tsukiino

Yes, with crowns

Cpt_Teemo

Really hope they add npcs as decor too with the ability to be set on patrols if we wanted

Aliyavana

Tsukiino wrote: »

Yes, with crowns

Not sure I can tust you as you are new though, source?

Apache_Kid

aliyavana wrote: »

Tsukiino wrote: »

Yes, with crowns

Not sure I can tust you as you are new though, source?

They're trolling

Aliyavana

@Gilliamtherogue @nestor @Alcast

starkerealm

Not that I saw. To be fair, I probably spent less than 10 minutes in houses while I was there. (Technically I might have been in one when I went to lunch, so the raw time could be longer.)

Nestor

This was asked, and, no, Housing Slots are not due an increase.

The reason was given as a Technical one, related to the consoles (and I am guessing lower end PC's). The exact reason was not revealed. I know the devs want to give more slots, they just can't.

Aliyavana

Nestor wrote: »

This was asked, and, no, Housing Slots are not due an increase.

The reason was given as a Technical one, related to the consoles (and I am guessing lower end PC's). The exact reason was not revealed. I know the devs want to give more slots, they just can't.

[Snip], if that's the case then consoles should take one for the team and accept that their hardware is inferior and shouldn't drag pcs down. Thx for the info

[Edited to remove profanity masking]

Anotherone773

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesnt want to leave the 80's

TelvanniWizard

xbobx

I call ***.

and if this is the case, stop selling massive homes if you can't fill them.

people need to stop buying large homes.

Jayne_Doe

I have ZERO problem with raising the housing slots on PC only (I'm on XB). I like playing on console for various reasons that I'm sure no PC player would even get and would not hesitate to try and argue against.

That said, with an SSD, my ESO experience on XB is not much different from my experience when I've played on PC recently. I've noticed little difference in load times, though the framerate isn't as smooth, certainly. Also, objects loading into my house on XB take practically zero time to load - I don't even notice load-in of objects when loading my character into my larger homes, such as Tel Galen and Amaya Lake Lodge.

But, not every console owner wants to or is able to purchase an SSD, and even then, it might not be enough to help with an increase in item slots. But then, there are undoubtedly a number of PC players with rigs that currently couldn't handle that increase either, and many of them might not want or be able to spend the cash to upgrade it.

Again, I've no problem if they would increase slots for PC players, but not for console players, as it's my choice to play on console. You should blame ZOS for thinking that it's necessary to maintain this "equality" in housing. Also, if they aren't going to increase the slots, then for the love of any and all ES deities, please STOP producing ginormous homes that can't properly be decorated. Give us more apartments and small/medium homes - do that anyway, even if you do increase the slots.

MajesticHaruki

My plans to finish my first home (autumn's gate) and move to a bigger project have been put off...again. Seriously why does ZOS keep introducing more and more furniture plans? And in case consoles really put the boundaries, ignore them and release an exclusive patch for PCs. It won't be the first time consoles get screwed...

G1Countdown

I'm all for PCs getting more housing slots. I'm a bit biased as I'm on PC N/A, tho. But, I don't see a problem with taking advantage of the hardware available. I wouldn't hold it against consoles if the roles were reversed.

It seems like a win to me. More people taking advantage of all the game has to offer, possibly more furniture crown shop sales, & more crown store home sales. And, The PCs/consoles that can support this are enabled and the ones that aren't, well aren't.

Technology doesn't stand still. Waiting till everyone is equal will just be a very very long wait.

Cadbury

Mmmm PC vs. Console drama. Nice

Jayne_Doe

G1Countdown wrote: »

I'm all for PCs getting more housing slots. I'm a bit biased as I'm on PC N/A, tho. But, I don't see a problem with taking advantage of the hardware available. I wouldn't hold it against consoles if the roles were reversed.

It seems like a win to me. More people taking advantage of all the game has to offer, possibly more furniture crown shop sales, & more crown store home sales. And, The PCs/consoles that can support this are enabled and the ones that aren't, well aren't.

Technology doesn't stand still. Waiting till everyone is equal will just be a very very long wait.

Good points! Yeah...I think that it's more of a convenience for ZOS that consoles can't seem to handle increased slots. They could just increase it for PC. And, remember that the console platforms aren't uniform either, so it might be possible with XBOneX and whatever the PS4 one is called, but just not with the original XBOne or PS4.

Aliyavana

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

G1Countdown wrote: »

I'm all for PCs getting more housing slots. I'm a bit biased as I'm on PC N/A, tho. But, I don't see a problem with taking advantage of the hardware available. I wouldn't hold it against consoles if the roles were reversed.

It seems like a win to me. More people taking advantage of all the game has to offer, possibly more furniture crown shop sales, & more crown store home sales. And, The PCs/consoles that can support this are enabled and the ones that aren't, well aren't.

Technology doesn't stand still. Waiting till everyone is equal will just be a very very long wait.

Good points! Yeah...I think that it's more of a convenience for ZOS that consoles can't seem to handle increased slots. They could just increase it for PC. And, remember that the console platforms aren't uniform either, so it might be possible with XBOneX and whatever the PS4 one is called, but just not with the original XBOne or PS4.

I don't understand why we have to be punished by a platform I don't even play on

Cadbury

For reals, I wouldn't be mad if they increased the cap for PC only. I get the feeling the housing scene is more prevalent on PC NA/EU than console anyway.

On the other hand, I do like watching forum drama...

Aliyavana

Cadbury wrote: »

For reals, I wouldn't be mad if they increased the cap for PC only. I get the feeling the housing scene is more prevalent on PC NA/EU than console anyway.

On the other hand, I do like watching forum drama...

my reddit thread was downvoted alot

Carbonised

If this is really a matter of PC vs. consoles, then yes, they should raise the limit for PC users since our hardware can take it.

Punishing PC users to deal with lower item limits due to console limitations isn't the way to go, it just means nobody is happy, instead of at least someone being happy.

That said, I call BS on this. If it was purely a hardware limitation, why can I apparently fit 700 objects into, say, the Ebonheart Castle main room, but not 700 objects into Kragenhome? The strain on hardware should be exactly the same in both scenarios, the 700 obejcts don't care what room they are loaded in, yet Kragenhome has a limit of 200, not 700.

Also, many of the larger homes consist of several cells, at least 1 outdoor cell and several indoor cells. My Tel Galen, for instance, is at least 3 cells with loading in between them. Each of those cells should be able to hold the 700 maximum items then, since when I'm in one cell, items from the other cells don't render.

So, I'm sceptical of this explanation, it just doesn't make any sense. Plus, how can we have Cyrodiil with 50+ people balled together spamming every skill on earth and that's fine, but have 800 objects load into the same cell is apparently a recipe for disaster?

No matter the origin of the problem, the current implementation of houses and housing slots is unsatisfactory. And it's been more than a year now since Homestead was introduced. We keep getting offered huge houses that cost a ton of cash to buy, yet when we try and decorate them we can barely make them look lived-in.

ZOS, you need to make this a priority, or I, too, will simply stop buying houses and furnishings. Housing currently has zero in game benefits, it's purely for fun. And when you can barely fill those big mansions, it stops being fun.

xbobx

I agree. I think the explanation is complete BS.

They said there is a limitation but did they ever say what that actual limitation was?

While they could increase all homes at least the small and medium to 700 they wont because it might hurt the sales of the larger homes which they seem to be focusing on.

So again, i don't trust them. They lie or avoid. I am just hoping the new person in charge starts cleaning house and puts communication back near the top of the priority list.

From the comments I read, I think he realized that the companies stupidity over the last year has hurt them. Going by their current decisions, its not hard to surmise that this game is going downhill from a financial perspective and they need to retool their thinking.

Apache_Kid

It's not just about consoles. They need to make sure that even the crappiest PC with the minimum spec requirements to run the game can also access a house with full-slots without any issues.

I guarantee that their are PCs out there running this game that have worse hardware than my Xbox One X and SSD. Not everyone who plays the game on PC has a top of the line rig.

Nestor

Carbonised wrote: »

That said, I call BS on this. If it was purely a hardware limitation, why can I apparently fit 700 objects into, say, the Ebonheart Castle main room, but not 700 objects into Kragenhome? The strain on hardware should be exactly the same in both scenarios, the 700 obejcts don't care what room they are loaded in, yet Kragenhome has a limit of 200, not 700.

Do you really think that is hardware limitation? It's not.

It's a Marketing Limitation that smaller homes have less slots

Aliyavana

Apache_Kid wrote: »

It's not just about consoles. They need to make sure that even the crappiest PC with the minimum spec requirements to run the game can also access a house with full-slots without any issues.

I guarantee that their are PCs out there running this game that have worse hardware than my Xbox One X and SSD. Not everyone who plays the game on PC has a top of the line rig.

"That home has exceeded the base limit of housing slots, are you sure you would like to load in?"

Apache_Kid

aliyavana wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

It's not just about consoles. They need to make sure that even the crappiest PC with the minimum spec requirements to run the game can also access a house with full-slots without any issues.

I guarantee that their are PCs out there running this game that have worse hardware than my Xbox One X and SSD. Not everyone who plays the game on PC has a top of the line rig.

"That home has exceeded the base limit of housing slots, are you sure you would like to load in?"

No need to be snarky, I'm just letting you know that their reasoning isn't just about consoles because there are PCs out there running this game with worse specs than my console. Not saying there aren't a plethora of work-around possibilities, just trying to temper the anti-console attitude that exists for no reason whatsoever.

magictucktuck

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesn't want to leave the 80's

to be fair you don't have to play this game if you don't like the quality.

but im sure they CAN do it even if there are some "workarounds" they would have to do. but if you follow you're logic after 2 years they would need double there staff to manage a game on console and a game on PC because if they do it for housing then its the next thing. so even if it technically possible with big changes to whatever it is its just not financially possible. and businesses run on money. im sure the team WANTS to do it but that must just not be in the realm of possibility either for technical for financial reasons. or even like you said its to much work and they don't have the manpower to keep up with the constant flow of content they produce and waste time on housing slots. which also comes down to money.

SGT_Wolfe101st

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesnt want to leave the 80's

Blah blah, PC, Blah, Blah. You do realize that with our "inferior" platform and all that, that we make up 2/3 the player base, which in turn makes up 2/3 of the revenue that is supplied to this game. If not for us lowly console players this game wouldn't have survived. You're welcome. I had literally thousands (hundreds of thousands) of items in Skyrim on a PS3, it loaded and did all the things just fine. It is an instanced area, my information alone. Fallout 4, I built settlements with countless resources and items, they loaded. It is clearly possible, would it require a rework of the system, perhaps, but that isn't necessarily a console issue, could be the manner in which the system was designed in the first place. Cyrodill is a lag fest on any server, irrespective of platform, FPS drop and crashes happen in Trials on all platforms. Stop blaming consoles for bad architecture.

Aliyavana

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesnt want to leave the 80's

Blah blah, PC, Blah, Blah. You do realize that with our "inferior" platform and all that, that we make up 2/3 the player base, which in turn makes up 2/3 of the revenue that is supplied to this game. If not for us lowly console players this game wouldn't have survived. You're welcome. I had literally thousands (hundreds of thousands) of items in Skyrim on a PS3, it loaded and did all the things just fine. It is an instanced area, my information alone. Fallout 4, I built settlements with countless resources and items, they loaded. It is clearly possible, would it require a rework of the system, perhaps, but that isn't necessarily a console issue, could be the manner in which the system was designed in the first place. Cyrodill is a lag fest on any server, irrespective of platform, FPS drop and crashes happen in Trials on all platforms. Stop blaming consoles for bad architecture.

Clearly the quoted source states console is the limiting factor, and in all honesty console players only make up the majority of the population because for Xbox there isnt much of a choice in mmos and for ps3 too few. There may be an exodus one day when more mmos enter the console scene. Hopefully zos finds a workaround but waiting for console to catch up next generation in 5 years isn't a viable solution

SGT_Wolfe101st

aliyavana wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesnt want to leave the 80's

Blah blah, PC, Blah, Blah. You do realize that with our "inferior" platform and all that, that we make up 2/3 the player base, which in turn makes up 2/3 of the revenue that is supplied to this game. If not for us lowly console players this game wouldn't have survived. You're welcome. I had literally thousands (hundreds of thousands) of items in Skyrim on a PS3, it loaded and did all the things just fine. It is an instanced area, my information alone. Fallout 4, I built settlements with countless resources and items, they loaded. It is clearly possible, would it require a rework of the system, perhaps, but that isn't necessarily a console issue, could be the manner in which the system was designed in the first place. Cyrodill is a lag fest on any server, irrespective of platform, FPS drop and crashes happen in Trials on all platforms. Stop blaming consoles for bad architecture.

Clearly the quoted source states console is the limiting factor, and in all honesty console players only make up the majority of the population because for Xbox there isnt much of a choice in mmos and for ps3 too few. There may be an exodus one day when more mmos enter the console scene. Hopefully zos finds a workaround but waiting for console to catch up next generation in 5 years isn't a viable solution

Technical - Console, didn't say what the issue was. As others have stated 100+ zergs in Cyrodill it loads, and I am guessing that there are as many if not more "lower end" PC running this game as there are top shelf PC, not every person is running Gen 5 i7's with GTX1070, my PS4 Pro will out perform a 3 year old PC, its not a performance issue, and its easy to blame console, and lastly, PS3? We have had a couple updates since then, I know still a turd but the PS4 Pro and XBox1X are ok.

Apache_Kid

aliyavana wrote: »

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They could rework the system so that it can function with more slots on consoles, its just easier not too and why not do the easy thing instead of the better one?

I dont think PC players should be limited to consoles technologically inferior requirements. I didnt invest in a gaming pc so i can play console quality games. Its not my fault that a console has less processing power and memory than the average smartphone and the input device has less functionality than my tv remote.

Since i dont play with console players, i shouldnt be limited to their requirements. I run the game just fine minus the bugs, lag, memory leaks, FPS drops, crashes( which went away with the jester festival oddly enough since it came with it), etc on a pc built in 2009 and cost less than a new console and dozen new games for it.

its like limiting me to cassette quality music when i have HD audio because someone doesnt want to leave the 80's

Blah blah, PC, Blah, Blah. You do realize that with our "inferior" platform and all that, that we make up 2/3 the player base, which in turn makes up 2/3 of the revenue that is supplied to this game. If not for us lowly console players this game wouldn't have survived. You're welcome. I had literally thousands (hundreds of thousands) of items in Skyrim on a PS3, it loaded and did all the things just fine. It is an instanced area, my information alone. Fallout 4, I built settlements with countless resources and items, they loaded. It is clearly possible, would it require a rework of the system, perhaps, but that isn't necessarily a console issue, could be the manner in which the system was designed in the first place. Cyrodill is a lag fest on any server, irrespective of platform, FPS drop and crashes happen in Trials on all platforms. Stop blaming consoles for bad architecture.

Clearly the quoted source states console is the limiting factor, and in all honesty console players only make up the majority of the population because for Xbox there isnt much of a choice in mmos and for ps3 too few. There may be an exodus one day when more mmos enter the console scene. Hopefully zos finds a workaround but waiting for console to catch up next generation in 5 years isn't a viable solution

If you look at the reason given as to WHY consoles are the limiting factor, you can go look at the minimum PC requirements to run this game at minimal settings and realize that low-end PCs are limiting factors as well.