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So Summerset's been out for a while. What do you guys think of the environment?
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gnarlyvandal✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »I get that it is particularly standard fantasy fair, still looks great though.
I'd of preferred a lot closer Aylied style and lot more magical looking, Fareygyl fort has floating rocks.. I am kind of hoping for some extremely magical looking places. It doesn't have to be the main cities I mean not every Altmer is a mage but there has to be wizard zones (beyond the Psyjics).
I am also really hoping for more of the dark side of the altmer. The altmer have kinhouses just like dumner and they are extremely selective.
I would love to see some more ayleid style buildings / a more magical environment, this IS Summerset! This is the Psyjics! It’s been described as one of the most unique places in terms of architecture and magic, yet we have buildings and environment that look exactly the same as the rest of Tamriel?!
Personally, I’m not toooo concerned with the environment, but ZOS really let themselves and the player base down with the building designs.4 -
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✭InstantNoise wrote: »Wasnt summerset a landmass that fell out of the aetherius and all of the the humans/elves ancestoral race lived on it? It somewhat makes sense to have it all as one biome in that case. Also Zenimax has very little authority over how diverse a preset world is, the same for the nations and landmasses of that preset world.Good. The cold sucks
What does this have to do with literally anything?No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1 -
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✭What's wrong with it? It looks pretty. Pretty is good.
"But it's boring!" Confirmed that if we ever achieve an Utopia on Earth, people would hate it instantly, because it's too nice.
What would you expect Summerset to have? It's literally called SUMMERset. Would you like volcanic wastes? Swamps or deserts? Snowy areas? it's too far south for that, and if any of the other environments occurred naturally the Altmer would've teraformed them away because actually, those are not nice areas to live in. The other races must be dead envious of the tame lush islands the Altmer live in (except maybe the morally-outraged Bosmer).
I like a rainy gloomy gothic landscape as much as anyone else, but what they did with Summerset looks pretty lore-compliant to me. Therefore, it is good.Edited by vestahls on April 17, 2018 6:51PM“He is even worse than a n'wah. He is - may Vivec forgive me for uttering this word - a Hlaalu.”luv Abnur
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grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭I feel like this thread is just a circle jerk of complaints at this point. Its not going anywhere and its just not constructive at all.5 -
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✭✭psychotrip wrote: »And Vvardenfell is much further north. Summerset is in a tropical climate.
Except it doesn't appear tropical at all?ThumbtackJake wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
An island doesn't typically cover more than one climate.
And yet Vvardenfell has volcanic rivers, ashen wastes, green plains, swamps, archipelagos, etc. It also has more than one city-style.
Being an island doesn't excuse a lack of environmental diversity.
I think that's mostly due to volcanic eruptions causing the different environments.
Volcanic eruptions only explain the lava and ash. And even so, does this really justify Summerset looking so samey? Am I just crazy?
wasn't ancient vvardenfel an island of swamps and grassy plains till the dwemer and ancient dunmer ancestors started doing stuff that overall caused dagoth ur to activate the volcano?PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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psychotrip✭✭✭✭✭
✭What's wrong with it? It looks pretty. Pretty is good.
"But it's boring!" Confirmed that if we ever achieve an Utopia on Earth, people would hate it instantly, because it's too nice.
What would you expect Summerset to have? It's literally called SUMMERset. Would you like volcanic wastes? Swamps or deserts? Snowy areas? it's too far south for that, and if any of the other environments occurred naturally the Altmer would've teraformed them away because actually, those are not nice areas to live in. The other races must be dead envious of the tame lush islands the Altmer live in (except maybe the morally-outraged Bosmer).
I like a rainy gloomy gothic landscape as much as anyone else, but what they did with Summerset looks pretty lore-compliant to me. Therefore, it is good.
I'm sorry, who here is asking for Summerset to be gloomy? I feel like you're creating a false dichotomy here.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What's wrong with it? It looks pretty. Pretty is good.
"But it's boring!" Confirmed that if we ever achieve an Utopia on Earth, people would hate it instantly, because it's too nice.
What would you expect Summerset to have? It's literally called SUMMERset. Would you like volcanic wastes? Swamps or deserts? Snowy areas? it's too far south for that, and if any of the other environments occurred naturally the Altmer would've teraformed them away because actually, those are not nice areas to live in. The other races must be dead envious of the tame lush islands the Altmer live in (except maybe the morally-outraged Bosmer).
I like a rainy gloomy gothic landscape as much as anyone else, but what they did with Summerset looks pretty lore-compliant to me. Therefore, it is good.
Summerset looks absolutely not lore compliant. It looks like Auridon and that's not the way it is supposed to look.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
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Examples? I only had time to run from Alinor to Shimmerene, I haven't explored the rest of the island yet.Played on PTS, it has a few enviroments0 -
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There's dark forest north of Alinor near Eton Nir, Public dungeon on the North, coral structures on the south east and again northern shores
Many places that look locked off are actually fully explorableEdited by Radinyn on April 17, 2018 7:59PM3 -
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There's dark forest north of Alinor near Eton Nir, Public dungeon on the North, coral structures on the south east and again northern shores
Many places that look locked off are actually fully explorable
So forest, darker forest, and coral beach. I mean...did we just forget the amount of environments in the average "AAA" MMO expansion? I know this definitely seems like nitpicking to those who just care about getting to end-game and raiding (which is perfectly fine), but there are people out there who play just as much for gameplay as they do for worldbuilding, atmosphere, and exploration.
Right now, Summerset just feels so rote, so generic, so basic, so similar to thousands of other "pretty forest" environments I've seen in dozens of other MMOs.
What, exactly, sets Summserset apart as a place? As a country? As a culture, compared to any other fantasy MMO? Can anyone think of anything?Edited by psychotrip on April 18, 2018 12:58AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.3 -
inespeloazul✭✭✭Ran around a good chunk of the island and I can confirm that it's mostly the colorful forest stuff, with dead coral beaches and one (?) area that looked marshy near the northern coast, iirc. Also what seems to be an attempt at "dense" forest. A good chunk of the land around Eton Nir is explorable, and what isn't tends to be a delve/dungeon/etc. Haven't really looked at the south, though.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The more I see of Summerset, the less I'm bothered by the architecture, and the more I'm disappointed with the environment.
It's such a step back to the other zones added since launch, in that there doesn't seem anything worth exploring. It just feels open and almost barren.
Places like Hew's Bane and Vvardenfell have a sort of fractal quality to them, where you're not sure what's behind the next rock or a bend in the road. This gives these places a rather dense feeling that Summerset lacks, and makes the map feel smaller than it actually is, even with all the inaccessible areas.
It almost looks procedurally generated.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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psychotrip✭✭✭✭✭
✭The more I see of Summerset, the less I'm bothered by the architecture, and the more I'm disappointed with the environment.
It's such a step back to the other zones added since launch, in that there doesn't seem anything worth exploring. It just feels open and almost barren.
Places like Hew's Bane and Vvardenfell have a sort of fractal quality to them, where you're not sure what's behind the next rock or a bend in the road. This gives these places a rather dense feeling that Summerset lacks, and makes the map feel smaller than it actually is, even with all the inaccessible areas.
It almost looks procedurally generated.
More proof they had absolutely no ideas for the Altmer and their homeland, compared to anywhere else.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.2 -
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✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »
Vvardenfell is covered in ash and has an active volcano , summerset is supposed to be a paradise. Which is what it is, it should be this fugly mushroom covered thing like vvardenfell.1 -
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✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
An island doesn't typically cover more than one climate.
Really?
https://huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/big-island-climate-zones_n_6866828.html
I'm putting this in my OP. The notion that an island should only have one environment is laughable. Take a look at Japan as well.
@shadelon @Kodrac Take a look at that article. It's actually got some really beautiful pics too.
Islands in tropical regions generally have one climate. Warm and tropical. Yeesh, ppl will complain about anything.2 -
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✭✭✭Yeah, I've said so myself.
Granted, I'm hesitant to moan too much about this before we've seen the island on the PTS.
But by this time before Wrothgar's and Vvardenfell's release, we had already seen much more diverse landscapes.
I'm especially surprised that we haven't seen a single palm tree so far on this tropical island.
Oh lord, TES universe =/= our universe. Palm trees do not equal tropical in ESO.2 -
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✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »Here's some new gameplay footage. God, it looks even blander in action. Ignore the cool stuff at the beginning. It's "all just a dream" of course:
https://youtu.be/uU-fq3T-eow?t=404
It looks so bland because ZOS favors the bland look everwhere. Seriously, without the Nvidia Freestyle filters I fall asleep on this game cuz its so gray. Use a filter, everything looks better. This is not exclusive to Summerset. Literally EVERY province in cyrodiil is like that.1 -
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✭psychotrip wrote: »
Vvardenfell is covered in ash and has an active volcano , summerset is supposed to be a paradise. Which is what it is, it should be this fugly mushroom covered thing like vvardenfell.
Who said Summerset should be volcanic, or be like Vvardenfell? There’s a million miles between a place with a single environment and a place specifically like Vvardenfellpsychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
An island doesn't typically cover more than one climate.
Really?
https://huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/big-island-climate-zones_n_6866828.html
I'm putting this in my OP. The notion that an island should only have one environment is laughable. Take a look at Japan as well.
@shadelon @Kodrac Take a look at that article. It's actually got some really beautiful pics too.
Islands in tropical regions generally have one climate. Warm and tropical. Yeesh, ppl will complain about anything.
Wrong. Ever been to Hawaii? Also, have you seen Summerset in this expansion? It’s not even tropical. Like...at all. So your argument doesn’t even work on that level, though you make a good point that it probably should be tropical. Yet another bizarre choice Zenimax made to make this place as generic as possible.Yeah, I've said so myself.
Granted, I'm hesitant to moan too much about this before we've seen the island on the PTS.
But by this time before Wrothgar's and Vvardenfell's release, we had already seen much more diverse landscapes.
I'm especially surprised that we haven't seen a single palm tree so far on this tropical island.
Oh lord, TES universe =/= our universe. Palm trees do not equal tropical in ESO.
Is that really your excuse? Because of course Tamriel is not the same as our universe. That doesn’t mean ZOS had to go with a generic pretty forest for their environment. If anything, this means they should have gone with something more outlandish and creative, since as you say TES universe =/= our universe. Or does that excuse only hold when it justifies mundane worldbuilding?psychotrip wrote: »Here's some new gameplay footage. God, it looks even blander in action. Ignore the cool stuff at the beginning. It's "all just a dream" of course:https://youtu.be/uU-fq3T-eow?t=404
It looks so bland because ZOS favors the bland look everwhere. Seriously, without the Nvidia Freestyle filters I fall asleep on this game cuz its so gray. Use a filter, everything looks better. This is not exclusive to Summerset. Literally EVERY province in cyrodiil is like that.
This is the equivalent of saying “mods will fix it” in the singleplayer games. That isn’t a valid excuse, and color filters will only make the environment more colorful (which admittedly is welcome) not more diverse and interesting
I feel like we’re just accepting mediocrity here. Most MMOs with similar popularity and budgets as ESO go far beyond providing a single environment that’s ultimately indistinguishable from anything we’d find in the base game. ESO is slacking.Edited by psychotrip on April 18, 2018 9:38AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.3 -
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Summerset is ... What? 4 weeks from PC release? They are not going to drastically overhaul the environment. It is already built, and takes quite a long time to build, I imagine.
Either you buy Summerset and enjoy the new content, or you don't because you feel it is creatively wrong in the direction they took for the island.
You can, of course, continue to voice how displeased you are with the environment, it is your absolute right as a paying customer to do so. But they are not going to change it. It is done, environment wise. They would not even change textures of the mushroom towers on Vvardenfell despite much feedback about them.Sweetrolls for all!
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Summerset is ... What? 4 weeks from PC release? They are not going to drastically overhaul the environment. It is already built, and takes quite a long time to build, I imagine.
Either you buy Summerset and enjoy the new content, or you don't because you feel it is creatively wrong in the direction they took for the island.
You can, of course, continue to voice how displeased you are with the environment, it is your absolute right as a paying customer to do so. But they are not going to change it. It is done, environment wise. They would not even change textures of the mushroom towers on Vvardenfell despite much feedback about them.
Oh I fully understand they won’t change it. I actually quit ESO (and The Elder Scrolls in general) for more interesting fantasy worlds and mostly just come around for potential news for articles or when my inbox starts getting filled with responses to old threads like these. I got a lot of notifications from this thread so I thought I’d chime in.Edited by psychotrip on April 18, 2018 9:51AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »
Summerset is ... What? 4 weeks from PC release? They are not going to drastically overhaul the environment. It is already built, and takes quite a long time to build, I imagine.
Either you buy Summerset and enjoy the new content, or you don't because you feel it is creatively wrong in the direction they took for the island.
You can, of course, continue to voice how displeased you are with the environment, it is your absolute right as a paying customer to do so. But they are not going to change it. It is done, environment wise. They would not even change textures of the mushroom towers on Vvardenfell despite much feedback about them.
Oh I fully understand they won’t change it. I actually quit ESO (and The Elder Scrolls in general) for more interesting fantasy worlds and mostly just come around for potential news for articles or when my inbox starts getting filled with responses to old threads like these. I got a lot of notifications from this thread so I thought I’d chime in.
See, I think Elder Scrolls has one of the richest worlds and most interesting lore of any fantasy worlds out there.
We just likely won't get to see lands portrayed massively originally in ESO. Some of the environments are good though. Clockwork City, for example, was awesome.
I am a big fan of Warcraft lore though. Can you recommend any others to look into?
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✭✭grizzledcroc wrote: »I feel like this thread is just a circle jerk of complaints at this point. Its not going anywhere and its just not constructive at all.
Exactly. This thread should be just closed imo as apparently there are just a few of the same people complaining about literally everything. No matter what people say they will just bash it. It's neither constructive nor objective.
Let this thread die to all the grumbles while most people will be enjoying the zone Personally, I am stunned with the beauty of Summerset. This is by far the most beautiful zone in the game and my personal favourite. This is exactly how I (and many other people) have imagined the land of High Elves. My main is an Altmer and I've always played Altmers in every TES game so I am quite demanding when it comes to what is called their homeland. Sorry guys in this thread that you're disappointed but everybody and their mom already know you're not satisfied with what you saw. When I saw the pictures posted by you guys in this thread (and similar ones) of what you would like to be an inspiration for the devs, I'm just glad they didn't follow your vision. Anyway, continue to be negative while other people (including me) will be having fun. Ciao! 2 -
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✭psychotrip wrote: »
Summerset is ... What? 4 weeks from PC release? They are not going to drastically overhaul the environment. It is already built, and takes quite a long time to build, I imagine.
Either you buy Summerset and enjoy the new content, or you don't because you feel it is creatively wrong in the direction they took for the island.
You can, of course, continue to voice how displeased you are with the environment, it is your absolute right as a paying customer to do so. But they are not going to change it. It is done, environment wise. They would not even change textures of the mushroom towers on Vvardenfell despite much feedback about them.
Oh I fully understand they won’t change it. I actually quit ESO (and The Elder Scrolls in general) for more interesting fantasy worlds and mostly just come around for potential news for articles or when my inbox starts getting filled with responses to old threads like these. I got a lot of notifications from this thread so I thought I’d chime in.
See, I think Elder Scrolls has one of the richest worlds and most interesting lore of any fantasy worlds out there.
We just likely won't get to see lands portrayed massively originally in ESO. Some of the environments are good though. Clockwork City, for example, was awesome.
I am a big fan of Warcraft lore though. Can you recommend any others to look into?
I did too, and I have since I was a kid. Tired of always being disappointed by developers who insist on using the “unreliable narrator” trope to make the world far more boring and generic. Just not having fun with the franchise anymore.
I’m a fan of Warcraft myself. Also been looking into Ashes of Creation for a new MMO. Tyranny seems pretty cool for an old school RPG, and I’ve gotten super into Numenera, which is basically this crazy science-fantasy world that’s the literal opposite of The Elder Scrolls in terms of creative worldbuilding.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Summerset is ... What? 4 weeks from PC release? They are not going to drastically overhaul the environment. It is already built, and takes quite a long time to build, I imagine.
Either you buy Summerset and enjoy the new content, or you don't because you feel it is creatively wrong in the direction they took for the island.
You can, of course, continue to voice how displeased you are with the environment, it is your absolute right as a paying customer to do so. But they are not going to change it. It is done, environment wise. They would not even change textures of the mushroom towers on Vvardenfell despite much feedback about them.
Oh I fully understand they won’t change it. I actually quit ESO (and The Elder Scrolls in general) for more interesting fantasy worlds and mostly just come around for potential news for articles or when my inbox starts getting filled with responses to old threads like these. I got a lot of notifications from this thread so I thought I’d chime in.
See, I think Elder Scrolls has one of the richest worlds and most interesting lore of any fantasy worlds out there.
We just likely won't get to see lands portrayed massively originally in ESO. Some of the environments are good though. Clockwork City, for example, was awesome.
I am a big fan of Warcraft lore though. Can you recommend any others to look into?
I did too, and I have since I was a kid. Tired of always being disappointed by developers who insist on using the “unreliable narrator” trope to make the world far more boring and generic. Just not having fun with the franchise anymore.
I’m a fan of Warcraft myself. Also been looking into Ashes of Creation for a new MMO. Tyranny seems pretty cool for an old school RPG, and I’ve gotten super into Numenera, which is basically this crazy science-fantasy world that’s the literal opposite of The Elder Scrolls in terms of creative worldbuilding.
Hm. I might look into Ashes.
Numenera is awesome Not tried Tyranny yet. But let's face it, Obsidian are just excellent RPG makers. Sweetrolls for all!
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✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Vvardenfell is covered in ash and has an active volcano , summerset is supposed to be a paradise. Which is what it is, it should be this fugly mushroom covered thing like vvardenfell.
Who said Summerset should be volcanic, or be like Vvardenfell? There’s a million miles between a place with a single environment and a place specifically like Vvardenfellpsychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
An island doesn't typically cover more than one climate.
Really?
https://huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/big-island-climate-zones_n_6866828.html
I'm putting this in my OP. The notion that an island should only have one environment is laughable. Take a look at Japan as well.
@shadelon @Kodrac Take a look at that article. It's actually got some really beautiful pics too.
Islands in tropical regions generally have one climate. Warm and tropical. Yeesh, ppl will complain about anything.
Wrong. Ever been to Hawaii? Also, have you seen Summerset in this expansion? It’s not even tropical. Like...at all. So your argument doesn’t even work on that level, though you make a good point that it probably should be tropical. Yet another bizarre choice Zenimax made to make this place as generic as possible.Yeah, I've said so myself.
Granted, I'm hesitant to moan too much about this before we've seen the island on the PTS.
But by this time before Wrothgar's and Vvardenfell's release, we had already seen much more diverse landscapes.
I'm especially surprised that we haven't seen a single palm tree so far on this tropical island.
Oh lord, TES universe =/= our universe. Palm trees do not equal tropical in ESO.
Is that really your excuse? Because of course Tamriel is not the same as our universe. That doesn’t mean ZOS had to go with a generic pretty forest for their environment. If anything, this means they should have gone with something more outlandish and creative, since as you say TES universe =/= our universe. Or does that excuse only hold when it justifies mundane worldbuilding?psychotrip wrote: »Here's some new gameplay footage. God, it looks even blander in action. Ignore the cool stuff at the beginning. It's "all just a dream" of course:https://youtu.be/uU-fq3T-eow?t=404
It looks so bland because ZOS favors the bland look everwhere. Seriously, without the Nvidia Freestyle filters I fall asleep on this game cuz its so gray. Use a filter, everything looks better. This is not exclusive to Summerset. Literally EVERY province in cyrodiil is like that.
This is the equivalent of saying “mods will fix it” in the singleplayer games. That isn’t a valid excuse, and color filters will only make the environment more colorful (which admittedly is welcome) not more diverse and interesting
I feel like we’re just accepting mediocrity here. Most MMOs with similar popularity and budgets as ESO go far beyond providing a single environment that’s ultimately indistinguishable from anything we’d find in the base game. ESO is slacking.
I havent seen it yet in person, and its still in pts. I will save my critique till then. I really dont like saying it looks horrible till it does look horrible. And the filters are a must for me, the whole game has this gray filter going on, and its like, just kill me now. lol. Auridon with the freestyle filters looks phenomenal. Without....bleh.0