P2CRAFT Jewelry

Beardimus

It's £20 once a year get a grip!

Can't the mods shut all these threads and keep one master? It's getting dull

griffkhalifa

Seraphayel wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

World of Warcraft has/had two expansion-exclusive professions:

- Inscriptioning
- Jewelcrafting

They're already part of the base game now.

I share the opinion that a crafting skill line - especially some that should have been here in the Vanilla launch of the game - shouldn't be marketed as an expansion feature but that's the way they choose to go. Summerset already is more appearance than substance when it comes to features. Even more so than Morrowind which offered quite much in comparison.

I think a big problem is that this chapter feels kind of weak with what we are getting. If we were getting a new class or new dungeons with the chapter...anything more and I think the crying over this wouldn't be as loud as it is. Other than the new trial, which has unfortunately been compared to asylum, what's left to cry and moan about?

That's the thing. Summerset offers really nothing exciting. Morrowind had a class and battlegrounds. Summerset a skill line and Jewelrycrafting. That's quite underwhelming in comparison.

As much as I want to like Summerset it feels like a rushed and cheap job by ZOS. Just because the zone is huge it mustn't be considered and sold as a chapter. And I am pretty sure a huge part of the zone isn't even accessible like it was in Morrowind.

They just lowered the bar for Chapters with Summerset (that's why they lowered the price as well). I hope the next chapter will offer more features overall.

Then don't buy it.

boombazookajd

Don't call me comrade, commie.

Kikke

I say finally! I'm sick and tired of paying for this game too improve, just so the crybabies that have never used more money on the game then when they bought it could get everything for free.

LOCK EVERY NEW CONTENT BEHIND IT'S DLC / Chapter PAYWALL!

People crying that eso is monetized.. Are you guys dumb or just slightly ***? it's an MMO, you want new fancy content? well, then ZeniMax needs too earn money. But nope, today's generation of *** kids is all like "give me, give me!" and saying that no other game as been this "monetized". That's a lie, if you were too jump WoW, GW2, FFXIV or BDO all of these would also require you too buy DLCs / Expensions just too stay relevant, and a fully operative ingame store with boxes and mounts and different things too buy for real cash.

Quick note: People that complain about loot crates; Did you know ESO is one of the few games that give you a currency for dubble up loot from crates that you can use on on whatever reward you want? And theire boxes are around the same price as other games. so I realy dont see anything wrong with these boxes set aside from the fact that they dont give us the %drop chance on the loot (looking at the rules Casinos must abide by)

Seraphayel

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

World of Warcraft has/had two expansion-exclusive professions:

- Inscriptioning
- Jewelcrafting

They're already part of the base game now.

I share the opinion that a crafting skill line - especially some that should have been here in the Vanilla launch of the game - shouldn't be marketed as an expansion feature but that's the way they choose to go. Summerset already is more appearance than substance when it comes to features. Even more so than Morrowind which offered quite much in comparison.

I think a big problem is that this chapter feels kind of weak with what we are getting. If we were getting a new class or new dungeons with the chapter...anything more and I think the crying over this wouldn't be as loud as it is. Other than the new trial, which has unfortunately been compared to asylum, what's left to cry and moan about?

That's the thing. Summerset offers really nothing exciting. Morrowind had a class and battlegrounds. Summerset a skill line and Jewelrycrafting. That's quite underwhelming in comparison.

As much as I want to like Summerset it feels like a rushed and cheap job by ZOS. Just because the zone is huge it mustn't be considered and sold as a chapter. And I am pretty sure a huge part of the zone isn't even accessible like it was in Morrowind.

They just lowered the bar for Chapters with Summerset (that's why they lowered the price as well). I hope the next chapter will offer more features overall.

Then don't buy it.

That's exactly the wrong thing to do because that won't change anything. I play ESO since launch. I bought the Vanilla CE, the Morrowind CE and I pre ordered the Summerset CE. I want to play this game. And I want it to become great again. That's why I stay here and criticize several things that must be criticized.

Waffennacht

@GeorgeBlack nope, don't spend that much on a night, don't spend that much in a year.

Kikke

Seraphayel wrote: »

That's exactly the wrong thing to do because that won't change anything. I play ESO since launch. I bought the Vanilla CE, the Morrowind CE and I pre ordered the Summerset CE. I want to play this game. And I want it to become great again. That's why I stay here and criticize several things that must be criticized.

you mean "I want too cry about changes I dont like because I feel entitled"? The game is better now than it has EVER been. And yes I know cyro was lag free waaaaaaaaay back in the days, but the class balance back then was SHIET.

Typical millennial stupidity! "need too make it great again" while crying at changes that keeps improving the game.

fierackas

Boohoo someone is buying something I'm too tight to pay for

SecretJoy

Skander wrote: »

We shall hope that the jewlery craft station can be bought and put into houses

Gina already stated that unless you own Summerset, you won't be able to use any of the crafting stations throughout Tamriel.

Kikke

Waffennacht wrote: »

@GeorgeBlack nope, don't spend that much on a night, don't spend that much in a year.

I bet this is because someone is not old enough too spend money out on the town xD /rekt

Stewart1874

Lol.

If it was in loot crates i'd get the rage. This gives the expansion something to get excited about.

Well within their rights to do this.

Seraphayel

kikkehs wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

That's exactly the wrong thing to do because that won't change anything. I play ESO since launch. I bought the Vanilla CE, the Morrowind CE and I pre ordered the Summerset CE. I want to play this game. And I want it to become great again. That's why I stay here and criticize several things that must be criticized.

you mean "I want too cry about changes I dont like because I feel entitled"? The game is better now than it has EVER been. And yes I know cyro was lag free waaaaaaaaay back in the days, but the class balance back then was SHIET.

Typical millennial stupidity! "need too make it great again" while crying at changes that keeps improving the game.

I feel entitled? Never heard something more absurd. I don't feel so and never did. It's okay to pay for stuff if it's worth it. It's not okay to sell stuff that basically should have been here years ago. I would've been fine with Jewelrycrafting being DLC content and you need ESO+. That would have been fair. To lock it behind the Chapter paywall isn't. It's just lazy and lame.

Where do I cry? I criticize where criticism is due. I never complained about Morrowind because it was worth its price. Summerset is a different story because it offers way less than Morrowind. I don't like that ZOS is lowering the bar for payed content because it's not good for the future of this game.

Next year the Chapter will offer a skill line like Thieves Guild or DB with just passives when it goes the same route as Summerset. I don't want ESO to grow this way.

Jeremy

MinarasLaure wrote: »

The thing is jewellery crafting should be no different from all the other crafting types.
It doesn't make sense.
It's not a proper p2w feature but it's very close.
Spellcrafting will be the same, locked behind a chapter and that definitely will be p2w

If allowing players access to unique and beneficial content in return for purchasing an expansion is definitely "p2w" then nearly every MMORPG I have ever played is "p2w".

A crafting skill line is actually small by comparison. Many games require you to purchase expansions to gain access to basic character advancement like level cap increases.

So I guess World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Lord of the Rings Online (just to name a few). are all "p2w" games too since players who purchase their expansions have access to game play advantages like higher levels?

Idinuse

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

You will still have access to all gold jewelry you want. As Gina Said in another. Post you won't be able to use the station, but you can buy gold crafted jewelry from others. You can still get the trial drops. Crafted Jewelry will be BoE. So yeah if clicking on a station is P2W (which it isn't even close to that) you are correct it's a cheap thing to do.

No it may not be P2W but if you are a serious crafter it inevitably is Pay to Craft, ergo P2Craft as the OP states. You brought P2W into the thread not OP. It is a pay wall for crafting in the game, no matter how it is diced or sliced

If you've been offering your services as a crafter in this game, how viable as a crafter will you be if you can't supply i.e. 3 crafted Julianos Jewelry after Summerset? You have no other choice but to pay $20+, and IMO that is an unfortunate turn for the game.

Mind you, I'm no crafter but have already pre-purchased the Digital Collectors Edition (the Nightmare Senche matches my cat suit lol), but it's my choice rather than a must to stay viable as crafter - one of the lines of "work" the game has had as a fundament from the very start.

Juju_beans

Milvan wrote: »

Hello Comrades

Needless to say that putting a craft skill line behind a paywall is really depressing. I think I never saw other mmorpg doing that before. I know that subscriptions usually come up with a lot of advantages to craft, but paywalling a whole CRAFT skill is like really cheap.

Wow did that when they introduced jewel crafting. It was part of Burning Crusade. If you didn't buy the expansion you could not learn the craft although you could buy the crafted items from other players.

And Burning Crusade came out in 2007 so yeah..it's what MMO's do.

Juju_beans

BloodWolfe wrote: »

In EVERY mmo when they launch an expansion they tend to have new features/classes/races/skills, etc... so why in a game you don't even have to pay monthly for are you b****ING about it? Expansions always introduce new stuff and have a cost, it's normal and standard otherwise nobody would buy the expansions so get the eff over yourselves!

Self entitled brats!

I don't agree with other things ZO$ has done (cost of outfit slots, scam crates and even worse the radiant apex mounts not even obtainable with gems, cost of motifs and the only new homes being the massive economy large ones for limited time that cost the price of 2 AAA games) but this is NOT P2W or anything to complain about. Get over yourselves!

I think it's that the majority of players here never played an MMO before.

Juju_beans

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Pay to craft seems a bit empty. I mean we have been playing for 3 plus years without it. Its always the same argument about how things should be added to the base game. I feel like adding these kinds of things to dlc or chapters is pretty smart on their end.

Many may not like it but they are company, with shareholders, and need to make money. If they added everything to the base game what would be the point in releasing dlc or chapters? Yeah you get new areas and quests but that only appeals to us for a limited amount of time. So they add new features as well. Adding value to said dlcs and chapters.

At some point they will need to stop adding to the base game. So at which point do you suggest they do that? This isn't anything different than any other game adding other items for purchase. The game is evolving and that's a good thing. People asked for this and they have answered. Now we complain that its not free.

Half of the game is locked behind dlc. Maelstrom/ Masters weapons, Maw drops, Julianos and others. Its a new feature that had to implemented and it should have a cost. It had a cost to develop it, and the cost is passed onto us.

I don't know of any MMO that puts out an expansion and also puts all the content into the base game.
If you want to play the new content then buy the expansion. That's how MMO's work.

ak_pvp

Juju_beans wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Hello Comrades

Needless to say that putting a craft skill line behind a paywall is really depressing. I think I never saw other mmorpg doing that before. I know that subscriptions usually come up with a lot of advantages to craft, but paywalling a whole CRAFT skill is like really cheap.

Wow did that when they introduced jewel crafting. It was part of Burning Crusade. If you didn't buy the expansion you could not learn the craft although you could buy the crafted items from other players.

And Burning Crusade came out in 2007 so yeah..it's what MMO's do.

Stop comparing things to WoW. WoW is an awful MMO, that is just popular because it is (one of ?) the first, and the longest running one. It is awful, with a sub, extra payed expacs, pay to skip mechanics, and a cash shop.

Lets never become WoW.

Its not P2W, it is force to buy cheese that will doesn't hold faith to the game. I can deal with cosmetic hypermonetization, the extra chapter costs, but it should stay out of balance. New players won't really be attracted as much when to play their favorite crafter druid at a high level they have to buy 2 chapters extra.

Cpt_Teemo

BloodWolfe wrote: »

In EVERY mmo when they launch an expansion they tend to have new features/classes/races/skills, etc... so why in a game you don't even have to pay monthly for are you b****ING about it? Expansions always introduce new stuff and have a cost, it's normal and standard otherwise nobody would buy the expansions so get the eff over yourselves!

Self entitled brats!

I don't agree with other things ZO$ has done (cost of outfit slots, scam crates and even worse the radiant apex mounts not even obtainable with gems, cost of motifs and the only new homes being the massive economy large ones for limited time that cost the price of 2 AAA games) but this is NOT P2W or anything to complain about. Get over yourselves!

Because crafting should and always should be apart of the base game updates not stuck behind paywalls, crafting is different than adding a new race/class

Cpt_Teemo

Jeremy wrote: »

MinarasLaure wrote: »

The thing is jewellery crafting should be no different from all the other crafting types.
It doesn't make sense.
It's not a proper p2w feature but it's very close.
Spellcrafting will be the same, locked behind a chapter and that definitely will be p2w

If allowing players access to unique and beneficial content in return for purchasing an expansion is definitely "p2w" then nearly every MMORPG I have ever played is "p2w".

A crafting skill line is actually small by comparison. Many games require you to purchase expansions to gain access to basic character advancement like level cap increases.

So I guess World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy 11, Final Fantasy 14, Lord of the Rings Online (just to name a few). are all "p2w" games too since players who purchase their expansions have access to game play advantages like higher levels?

I never heard of any game locking crafting behind an expansion, levels and skills yes but not crafting

Valkysas154

Skander wrote: »

We shall hope that the jewlery craft station can be bought and put into houses

I am sure we can but be aware only ppl with summerset can use them it's not going to be like Transmuting stations
where any one can use it if its in a house

Juju_beans

ak_pvp wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Hello Comrades

Needless to say that putting a craft skill line behind a paywall is really depressing. I think I never saw other mmorpg doing that before. I know that subscriptions usually come up with a lot of advantages to craft, but paywalling a whole CRAFT skill is like really cheap.

Wow did that when they introduced jewel crafting. It was part of Burning Crusade. If you didn't buy the expansion you could not learn the craft although you could buy the crafted items from other players.

And Burning Crusade came out in 2007 so yeah..it's what MMO's do.

Stop comparing things to WoW. WoW is an awful MMO, that is just popular because it is (one of ?) the first, and the longest running one. It is awful, with a sub, extra payed expacs, pay to skip mechanics, and a cash shop.

Lets never become WoW.

Its not P2W, it is force to buy cheese that will doesn't hold faith to the game. I can deal with cosmetic hypermonetization, the extra chapter costs, but it should stay out of balance. New players won't really be attracted as much when to play their favorite crafter druid at a high level they have to buy 2 chapters extra.

I am comparing MMO to MMO. Too many people don't realize that ESO is an MMO and MMO's introduce new content in expansions that aren't given freely to those that don't want to upgrade.

Juju_beans

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I never heard of any game locking crafting behind an expansion, levels and skills yes but not crafting

Jewel crafting with Wow...Burning Crusade expansion.

Cpt_Teemo

Juju_beans wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I never heard of any game locking crafting behind an expansion, levels and skills yes but not crafting

Jewel crafting with Wow...Burning Crusade expansion.

They have tiers per expansion yes, but the base crafting is in the base game

ThinkerOfThings

Seraphayel wrote: »

I want it to become great again.

Can I get an eyeroll emoji please...

Seraphayel

ThinkerOfThings wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I want it to become great again.

Can I get an eyeroll emoji please...

Why? Because I would like to go back to the times where the devs really put heart and soul into the game and weren't so much focused on visual stuff and bling bling?

griffkhalifa

Seraphayel wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

World of Warcraft has/had two expansion-exclusive professions:

- Inscriptioning
- Jewelcrafting

They're already part of the base game now.

I share the opinion that a crafting skill line - especially some that should have been here in the Vanilla launch of the game - shouldn't be marketed as an expansion feature but that's the way they choose to go. Summerset already is more appearance than substance when it comes to features. Even more so than Morrowind which offered quite much in comparison.

I think a big problem is that this chapter feels kind of weak with what we are getting. If we were getting a new class or new dungeons with the chapter...anything more and I think the crying over this wouldn't be as loud as it is. Other than the new trial, which has unfortunately been compared to asylum, what's left to cry and moan about?

That's the thing. Summerset offers really nothing exciting. Morrowind had a class and battlegrounds. Summerset a skill line and Jewelrycrafting. That's quite underwhelming in comparison.

As much as I want to like Summerset it feels like a rushed and cheap job by ZOS. Just because the zone is huge it mustn't be considered and sold as a chapter. And I am pretty sure a huge part of the zone isn't even accessible like it was in Morrowind.

They just lowered the bar for Chapters with Summerset (that's why they lowered the price as well). I hope the next chapter will offer more features overall.

Then don't buy it.

That's exactly the wrong thing to do because that won't change anything. I play ESO since launch. I bought the Vanilla CE, the Morrowind CE and I pre ordered the Summerset CE. I want to play this game. And I want it to become great again. That's why I stay here and criticize several things that must be criticized.

You clearly don't know how capitalism works. Complaining about something and then buying it anyway does not offer the producer of the product to change it. Actions speak louder than words. You buying the product is telling them they put enough content in there to justify the purchase.

griffkhalifa

Seraphayel wrote: »

ThinkerOfThings wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I want it to become great again.

Can I get an eyeroll emoji please...

Why? Because I would like to go back to the times where the devs really put heart and soul into the game and weren't so much focused on visual stuff and bling bling?

What does that even mean? It is the same base game plus additions. Meaning whatever game you loved a couple of years ago is still there, plus whatever they have added since.

Seraphayel

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

ThinkerOfThings wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I want it to become great again.

Can I get an eyeroll emoji please...

Why? Because I would like to go back to the times where the devs really put heart and soul into the game and weren't so much focused on visual stuff and bling bling?

What does that even mean? It is the same base game plus additions. Meaning whatever game you loved a couple of years ago is still there, plus whatever they have added since.

What does that mean? The quality of the updates got worse over time. That's what it means. And that's something I dislike and criticize. ZOS lazyness and lack of originality.

I love this game, that's why I bought Summerset.

I still hate that even the most ordinary stuff seems to be good enough for ZOS. It feels like they're not even trying anymore to be original or to create something special (e.g. Summerset looking like Auridon 2.0, giving us just one skill line, nerfing as the way to go when it comes to balance and gameplay changes etc.).

griffkhalifa

Seraphayel wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

ThinkerOfThings wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I want it to become great again.

Can I get an eyeroll emoji please...

Why? Because I would like to go back to the times where the devs really put heart and soul into the game and weren't so much focused on visual stuff and bling bling?

What does that even mean? It is the same base game plus additions. Meaning whatever game you loved a couple of years ago is still there, plus whatever they have added since.

What does that mean? The quality of the updates got worse over time. That's what it means. And that's something I dislike and criticize. ZOS lazyness and lack of originality. I love this game, that's why I bought Summerset. I still hate that even the most ordinary stuff seems to be good enough for ZOS. It feels like they're not even trying anymore to be original or do create something special (e.g. Summerset looking like Auridon 2.0, giving us just one skill line, nerfing as the way to go when it comes to balance and gameplay changes etc.).

So really you're complaining because a game you've probably poured hundreds of hours into doesn't feel like it does the first day you played it? Wait till you get married, bud.