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My Early Review of Summerset Updated with Details
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Former League of Legends (Riot) designer.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
SRTtoZ✭✭✭@Nestor
It's interesting, but are there any other set changes planned? I mean, for example, Ashen Grip is... extremely situational.
Or are only changes to Sunderflame and NMG expected?
Most of the changes they talked about were related to skills, see Alcasts page linked in the OP for details on that. Will sets be rebalanced? Not sure but I would think some changes would be made, but that is just a guess on my part.Do we know if there will be significant balance changes? Also with multicore threading, was this confirmed by someone or are you just guessing because the game ran so good? Also does this do anything for PS4 Pro/XB1X? I don't expect you to know the answer to these questions but I figured i'd ask
Class skills are being changed, in an effort to make all roles viable with all classes. Again, see Alcast's page for that.
And, yes Multicore is a thing.
Thanks for the reply. I posted that before I scrolled through the thread so I didn't realize most of that was answered already! Much appreciated.0 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Former League of Legends (Riot) designer.
who did he replace?PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Former League of Legends (Riot) designer.
who did he replace?
It was my understanding that Wrobel was Lead Gameplay Designer after Rich took the Creative Director spot from Paul Sage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/89e1in/summerset_update_18_teaser_a_recap_of_last_weeks/dwqokf2/Rob basically filled Rich's old position that he vacated when he took over for Paul as Creative Director, from what I understand. He's effectively the gameplay-version of Phil Draven, who oversees the support systems. So Rob works with Eric and Rich and Brian and everyone else.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hope VMA and VAS stuff get a slight buff so they are still worth the grind
I dont understand the logic behind making 2 of the key group sets into solo sets
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nightstrike✭✭✭✭✭The new zone is big, beautiful and full of content.
How does it compare to Vvardenfell, where such a large amount of it is blocked (Red Mountain, Sheogorad) or missing (tombs, apartments, ruins, etc.)? Is it still the same idea, where the physical land mass is large, but the content is not implemented?
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »
well there you go. if average players can't be competitive on a class, it needs to be looked at. over on reddit Ixtyr mentioned that "people just haven't learned how to play magwarden right" and that it's fine. I think that's totally the wrong mindset, tbh. yes, we could learn to play a bit better, but when an average player can pick up any other DPS class and hop into a trial and make 25k without much effort, why would they ever play (or a raid leader take) a magwarden?
catering to the average player is what kills MMORPGs.
it's the 'average' player that keeps them going.
The ''average player'' does not need to make 70k dps parses. Any content in the game can be completeled with an average dps.
When to try to make the average player feel like he is the best, you will have a game that takes no skill to play. Warden needing a buff or not is a different topic. but Catering to casuals is what DOOMs mmos. Its what doomed WoW, Its what doomed so many other good games.
Well, if it makes you feel better, my best parses are south of 25k.0 -
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✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Former League of Legends (Riot) designer.
who did he replace?
It was my understanding that Wrobel was Lead Gameplay Designer after Rich took the Creative Director spot from Paul Sage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/89e1in/summerset_update_18_teaser_a_recap_of_last_weeks/dwqokf2/Rob basically filled Rich's old position that he vacated when he took over for Paul as Creative Director, from what I understand. He's effectively the gameplay-version of Phil Draven, who oversees the support systems. So Rob works with Eric and Rich and Brian and everyone else.
So is Wrobel gone? I thought I saw players posting in their Summerset reveals that Wrobel was with them at ZOS studios.0 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »Anything in the conversation about a package deal, with a lower price for collector's edition for those that PURCHASED Morrowind? Not sure why those who didn't purchase it, get it for free, comparatively speaking, and those who did purchase it, pay the same? It's $90 in my country, and I don't see why those who did buy Morrowind, get a "You were stupid to buy it, because now it's free, for those who didn't." Accordingly, I can wait until this edition is free with the next release, or I will pay now for a reduced price because I bought Morrowind............makes no sense. Fool me once shame on you.........I won't be fooled twice.
Morrowind isn't factored into the cost. It's just a free addition to the package.
Yes, the fact it is a free addition when it was already paid for is my point. I will wait until future free additions accumulate to the point where I will pay and get a two for one..........OR, they could do a "You already bought Morrowind, so here is a Collector's Edition that is at a cheaper cost than for those that did not buy Morrowind." The cost would be higher than the Standard edition. It's not rocket science, and it's not hard to implement, and it will bring in increased revenue for the release of Summerset, from the players who are like me, and I'm not alone in the, "Meh, I'll pass and next round maybe buy."0 -
Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Sirona_Starr wrote: »Anything in the conversation about a package deal, with a lower price for collector's edition for those that PURCHASED Morrowind? Not sure why those who didn't purchase it, get it for free, comparatively speaking, and those who did purchase it, pay the same? It's $90 in my country, and I don't see why those who did buy Morrowind, get a "You were stupid to buy it, because now it's free, for those who didn't." Accordingly, I can wait until this edition is free with the next release, or I will pay now for a reduced price because I bought Morrowind............makes no sense. Fool me once shame on you.........I won't be fooled twice.
Why not wait for 4 years before buying a chapter. Than you can get the next 3 chapters free. Or wait 7 years and you can get 6 free?
Certainly am going to wait one year to get a two for one 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »SorataArisugawa wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Former League of Legends (Riot) designer.
who did he replace?
It was my understanding that Wrobel was Lead Gameplay Designer after Rich took the Creative Director spot from Paul Sage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/89e1in/summerset_update_18_teaser_a_recap_of_last_weeks/dwqokf2/Rob basically filled Rich's old position that he vacated when he took over for Paul as Creative Director, from what I understand. He's effectively the gameplay-version of Phil Draven, who oversees the support systems. So Rob works with Eric and Rich and Brian and everyone else.
So is Wrobel gone? I thought I saw players posting in their Summerset reveals that Wrobel was with them at ZOS studios.
Eric Wrobel is still part of the team, as said in the part I quoted. Apparently I was wrong, his position is actually Lead Combat Designer. The Gameplay Designer position has apparently been vacant for some time, if I understand correctly.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭usmcjdking wrote: »I wonder how long before we add afk jungle into ESO.
You mean, all the PvE trash mobs that've been in there since day one?
Edited by starkerealm on April 4, 2018 5:24AM0 -
Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭So did stamina light and heavy attacks seem weaker than on live servers?Edited by Bladerunner1 on April 4, 2018 3:17PM0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wasn't the Lead Gameplay Designer named Stracz, or something like that?XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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dimensional✭✭✭✭✭
✭Their idea of balancing is a) to make every class be able to do everything, which removes uniqueness, and b) to force us to use unpopular skills. They know which morphs are preferred because they perform better, so they nerf them, and change the 'lesser' moprhs to make them popular. Every single change has spawned from the fact that some classes could do X thing, while others couldn't X thing, so here we are. Instead, they could keep each class' identity, and just make every skill useful. There are some skills and morphs that are not used at all, but the solution is not to nerf the good morphs. Also, a lot of changed have spawned from pvp complains; it's most evident in templars' history of changes, but at this point, every class will end up having essentially the same skills, with just different names and animations.
Wrong for so many reasons.0 -
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
It does.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Multi thread support is what ive been looking forward too most glad to hear its working out Im just wondering how it will effect the cyrodil frame drops the lag is another thing entirely but hopefully this will mitigate the frame drops abit there as well.
Really looking forward too 2h 2set piece addition so happy as a primary mag player.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.Edited by Seraphayel on April 20, 2018 4:37AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
Algraxa✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.
Having been on the PTS, I can concur... It seems too small for the size of the land mass, traveling was fast so the scale of the icons seems correct at first glance.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Healers were definitely left out. That new set is very bad. I don't see why nobody didn't say anything. It's like only dps testing. Hope it's different with class reps.Edited by Tasear on April 20, 2018 4:51AM0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.
Auridon is bigger, I can guarantee that much. Summerset is about the size of Clockwork City, perhaps a little bit bigger. Definitely smaller than wrothgar, definitely smaller than Vvardenfell. The world map is incredibly misleading when you actually scale the maps.1 -
Zinaroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭To me the two biggest things are Jewlery Crafting and Two Handed counting as two slots. This is huge for builds. Most of use a combo of a dropped set and a crafted set. However most casters can not use a Monster set unless they give up a 5th Piece bonus somewhere. Now, we can create and use so many more combos of sets. Meta? That goes out the window now as I can see dozens of combos now that will give top tier performance.
This is what I am looking forward to the most; being a two-handed wielding stamplar.
However I don't understand how you can say the concept of a "meta" goes out the window - it seems like you don't know what it means?
"Meta" is derived from ancient greek and is usually applied in science and research contexts when you talk about something that transcends the current case or field you are studying and is often seen as an overarching level or a governing field. Examples being meta-physics being governing for physics and cognitive psychology being one of the governing fields for learning. It has been adapted in video games and some people simplify it as "most effective tactic available", even though it actually holds more/deeper meaning than this, even in games.
As such there will always be tactics/builds/setups that perform better than others, even with the new changes, and thus be the "most effective tactic available".
However these changes are definitely going to even out the playing field between builds - not so much classes though which have yet to be addressed even with the latest PTS patch note changes.Seraphayel wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.
Auridon is bigger, I can guarantee that much. Summerset is about the size of Clockwork City, perhaps a little bit bigger. Definitely smaller than wrothgar, definitely smaller than Vvardenfell. The world map is incredibly misleading when you actually scale the maps.
This sure is very disheartening...Edited by Zinaroth on April 20, 2018 7:28AM1 -
knaveofengland✭✭✭nice to see good things coming our way , will say this if you listen to the players who are testing you just get what they would like and maybe not benefit the most but the elite , this has happens in many mmos .0
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Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭To me the two biggest things are Jewlery Crafting and Two Handed counting as two slots. This is huge for builds. Most of use a combo of a dropped set and a crafted set. However most casters can not use a Monster set unless they give up a 5th Piece bonus somewhere. Now, we can create and use so many more combos of sets. Meta? That goes out the window now as I can see dozens of combos now that will give top tier performance.
This is what I am looking forward to the most; being a two-handed wielding stamplar.
However I don't understand how you can say the concept of a "meta" goes out the window - it seems like you don't know what it means?
"Meta" is derived from ancient greek and is usually applied in science and research contexts when you talk about something that transcends the current case or field you are studying and is often seen as an overarching level or a governing field. Examples being meta-physics being governing for physics and cognitive psychology being one of the governing fields for learning. It has been adapted in video games and some people simplify it as "most effective tactic available", even though it actually holds more/deeper meaning than this, even in games.
As such there will always be tactics/builds/setups that perform better than others, even with the new changes, and thus be the "most effective tactic available".
However these changes are definitely going to even out the playing field between builds - not so much classes though which have yet to be addressed even with the latest PTS patch note changes.Seraphayel wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.
Auridon is bigger, I can guarantee that much. Summerset is about the size of Clockwork City, perhaps a little bit bigger. Definitely smaller than wrothgar, definitely smaller than Vvardenfell. The world map is incredibly misleading when you actually scale the maps.
This sure is very disheartening...
Yeah the scale is weird compared to their relative world map sizes. It's like Autidon is supersized and we got the mini-me version of Summerset.0 -
NeroBad✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »ClockworkCityBugs wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »zadrotscrolls wrote: »
nice
Not sure where this image came from (the red parts, that is) but just want to call out this isn't completely accurate and is not an exact representation of the playable area.
can i call you lier now? xD
This looks so small.
In general, it doesn't feel it, though. Now, some of that may be due to some wide open spaces, but, "small" is never a term I would have associated with the new content.
Though, when you look at the map, Sunhold and Alinor do look weirdly close to one another.
By the map and the icons it looks like half of Vvardenfell. It looks incredibly small compared to a zone that should be gigantic in its size compared to usual zones.
Alinor is two, three times the size of Auridon and yet Auridon seems to be the bigger zone of the two. Something's totally messed up here.
Auridon is bigger, I can guarantee that much. Summerset is about the size of Clockwork City, perhaps a little bit bigger. Definitely smaller than wrothgar, definitely smaller than Vvardenfell. The world map is incredibly misleading when you actually scale the maps.
There is a big gap between Clockwork city and Wrothgar/Vvardenfell. So you say that it is much closer to Clockwork then Wrothgar? So it is not about disapointment, but actually statistically that small? @Jhalin0
