Trying to bring back blazing shield

Waffennacht

I've been messing around with tanks in PvE, which got me into theory crafting and wanted to bring back the ole blazing shield build.

I mostly do BGs which currently is no CP.

OG builds that hit massive health totals just don't have the sustain power needed for the constant battles of BGs.

What I've currently come up with is:
Durok's Bane x5 - I'm using x2 Arcane Rings, x2 armor and weapon
Lich x5 Necklace, weapon, x3 armor
Grothdarr x2

I'm running light x5, I've found the sustain and damage bonuses from light out weighed losing heavy for no CP

All Atributes Health

I have a mix of health and mag and tri glyphs

Stats are:
CP
40k health
2.2k (no lich proc) mag regen
23k mag
1.8k unbuffed spell damage
10k ish Stam

I'm using an Argonian

Lord Mundus

Vampire

SnB/Destro

SnB: Toppling Charge, Light, Blazing Shield, Puncturing Sweep, Structured Entropy ult: Ice Come
Destro: Honor the Dead, Extended Ritual, Rune, Blazing Shield, Elemental Drain, Ult: Repentance

I've been working mostly from process of elimination. Seems like many of the older builds can no longer sustain. Which is why I keep coming back to lich.

Bane seems to work really well with blaze, opponent's find themselves at low health and can't bring it back

Grothdarr is a meh choice for me. Zaan is an option, I couldn't really get Engine Guardian to work, I didn't have to gold to remove skill points from vampire so I'm kinda unable to try a more health regen approach.

I'm having decent success but I'm looking for ideas on abilities, ideal stats, set options and monster helm choices.

I am also wondering what made everyone leave the build? The damage definitely seems to be good enough

ak_pvp

The damage is situational and involves a harsh tradeoff for it, and when it got nerfed it showed more, which is why everyone left.

I'd probably go desert rose, it outs sustains Lich by quite a bit when being hit enough, and scales better in noCP.
Zaan seems the best if you want to get consistent kills without relying on being outnumbered or constantly hit. (most just give up on killing blazing builds.)
Bloodspawn also works for more ult and less squish when shields are down. Also some stam regeneration is nice.

Using vamp drain for cc is a good idea too. It heals a lot with that health, gives ult and if you are using zaan then allows some easier lock down without having to go back to use toppling.

Not specifically now, but psijic root seems decent for more lock down on a temp.

Brutusmax1mus

You could 2pc back bar lich so you could run 2 endurance on front bar endurance for the 1.8k hp. But it seems you want drain for sustain huh?

I always liked infernal guardian with bs.

You could always mix chokethorn and shadowrend for the regen.

You can slot bone shield too and heavy attack on snb bar to keep stam up. Casting that one every 3 or 4 casts will help your sustain a ton without letting your hp drop.

Ulfnors could be a good, never tried it. But it's like an extra 800 to 1k return every heavy depending on the weapon. So it would help with both sustain pools, not just mag. Although in sure its the mag bottle necking you.

Always wanted to try out with vanguards challenge. The dmg boost you give to your opponent would let you pop much quicker, giving them less time to react as you're hitting harder faster.

BS to me was about those huge hp pools, popping people in 2-3 hits. Probably not possible in no cp. I think your approach is doing it right.

Brutusmax1mus

I left it bc i stopped zerging and the max health approach is worthless small scale. Yours seems more functional.

Grimlok_S

Have you considered Thurvokun for more health, area denial and defile pressure or is the mag from groth that vital?

Minno

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Have you considered Thurvokun for more health, area denial and defile pressure or is the mag from groth that vital?

I would do this. The defile is what's important, and let's you get rid of duroks for another set.

Everyone left it when it wasn't smashing zergs at keeps.

Brutusmax1mus

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Have you considered Thurvokun for more health, area denial and defile pressure or is the mag from groth that vital?

Dropping duroks would let you run desert rose for more sustain too. Definitely a great thoughtfor bgs regarding area denial too.

Joy_Division

Even in Homestead before the nerfs to the ability and sustain, this was a difficult spec to play.

I wouldn't even bother now, especially with no CP.

Akinos

I still see people trying to run blazing shield, to me it seems like more people are using it(trying to use it with like 22-25k hp too lol) since it got nerfed into the ground. Though the people I see using it still are generally regarded as bad players.

Such a shame ZOS destroyed that skill to the point of uselessness. I miss my old BS build
RIP: https://youtu.be/j9ECdFLAVM4

Sixty5

You could always run Earthgore for the cheese, given that is basically forces an enemy to kill you twice in 45 seconds.

Waffennacht

I'm trying another old school venue though I really want another caluurion ring to try it out. Without that I dunno how offensive I can make the build

Grimlok_S

When stacking health I think vamp drain becomes pretty efficient as a heal. BoL doesn't scale so great with low spelldmg.

Thurv and durok's defiles are minor /major so they'd stack.

Its kind of cheesy but have you thought about the lightning aoe proc set?

Could also consider blue wrothgar max health + mag regen food (500 regen iirc) to push healthy higher and sustain through alternate sources like rune focus and restoring aura. Repentance if you're not hurting for mag. Infused stam return glyph if you're really hurting for stam

I think like that you could just plant yourself in the centre flag in a bg and watch everything die around you.

Minno

What about Jewel changes?

I think we need to revisit this conversation when we see pts.

Waffennacht

Minno wrote: »

What about Jewel changes?

I think we need to revisit this conversation when we see pts.

I am expecting a lot of changes.

I'm just having fun for now.

I'm trying a regenator build, need caluurion ring. Back to the farm I suppose

regime211

Man I have been trying to bring this build back, and it just doesn't sustain at all like it used to.

Waffennacht

regime211 wrote: »

Man I have been trying to bring this build back, and it just doesn't sustain at all like it used to.

I'm finding this out as well. It's alright at best. I've decided to move along

GeneralSezme

If anyone on EP gotta blazing shield build HMU in game @GeneralSezme trying make a blazing shield army

Thogard

Blazing shield was already brought back on PC NA

@raknorok

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Torugs pact with infused oblivion damage enchant is a real sleeper pick for blazing shield builds. It gives you a single target damage source that requires you to spend no resources and still deals its full damage without scaling off of your pathetically low offensive stats.

Akinos

same build works on live too, hybrid blazing shield is back!

Thogard

Edit: I am a nice guy deep down I promise

Feanor

Akinos wrote: »

same build works on live too, hybrid blazing shield is back!

How do you arrive at these stats? Unless you’re Emp? 50 K HP, 30k mag and 16k stam with good mag regen is kind of insane...

Checkmath

Plague doctor for the health together with tristatfood for the stamina. A nirnhoned 2h and just a little spelldamage and you already got that number there. For the regen: jewelry regen enchants and done

Mr_Nobody

Every BZ templar ive recently encountered in Cyro has died to whatever numbers, be it 1v1 or 1v2 1v3 or whatever. Pretty fast too without any noticeable damage back. I may have missed good ones, and if such exist - id love to know how it is going and some enlightment on builds.

dodgehopper_ESO

I want so badly to play my Imperial Templar as a proper tank. I'm a bit hopeful with Summerset due to 2 things: Psijic Order skill line & Silver Leash. The moaning and complaining though about both those changes infuriates me. Everyone is happy to strip Templar of its uniqueness but giving us any kinds of options outside of being your Battery/Jockstrap/Healbot seems to be taboo. Well frankly I'm sick of it. You guys know that much because I've been vocal about my irritation for some time. I like the notion of Templar having valid DD options (stam and mag) and I want Templar to have proper tanking options. In all truth I want to see this diversification on all classes and I'm very happy to see that it is at least seemingly something they are working toward.

Soris

wtb blazestamplar 2014

Jack's blazing stamplar build is a fine fresh air but i think we are still not there yet. The skill is soo underwhelming that any efford put in is a waste imo. It needs improvements or more like rolled back to what it was before, cheaper and bigger shield/bigger damage, more health pools in general

Akinos

Soris wrote: »

wtb blazestamplar 2014

Jack's blazing stamplar build is a fine fresh air but i think we are still not there yet. The skill is soo underwhelming that any efford put in is a waste imo. It needs improvements or more like rolled back to what it was before, cheaper and bigger shield/bigger damage, more health pools in general

Though blazing shield builds can still work with alot of extra effort, you are right about some of those nerfs needing to be rolled back. What ZOS what did total overkill, nerfing sets like plague AND blazing shield. One might of been called for but they went way to far by basically nerfing anything and everything associated with any kind of blazing shield build.

Soris

Akinos wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

wtb blazestamplar 2014

Jack's blazing stamplar build is a fine fresh air but i think we are still not there yet. The skill is soo underwhelming that any efford put in is a waste imo. It needs improvements or more like rolled back to what it was before, cheaper and bigger shield/bigger damage, more health pools in general

Though blazing shield builds can still work with alot of extra effort, you are right about some of those nerfs needing to be rolled back. What ZOS what did total overkill, nerfing sets like plague AND blazing shield. One might of been called for but they went way to far by basically nerfing anything and everything associated with any kind of blazing shield build.

So true. They have introduced countless direct and indirect nerfs to BS over 4 years while they keep saying "Building the House" motto. I dont get their way of reasoning, trying hard to nerf BS while in fact it is was the best tool to allow us building that house.

Though yes with extra efford you can still make it work at some point but the final result becomes mediocre at best imo. It is way more profitable to invest in straight magicka/stamina stacked build than a hybrid Blazing Shield build. /sadface

Jeremy

Waffennacht wrote: »

I've been messing around with tanks in PvE, which got me into theory crafting and wanted to bring back the ole blazing shield build.

I mostly do BGs which currently is no CP.

OG builds that hit massive health totals just don't have the sustain power needed for the constant battles of BGs.

What I've currently come up with is:
Durok's Bane x5 - I'm using x2 Arcane Rings, x2 armor and weapon
Lich x5 Necklace, weapon, x3 armor
Grothdarr x2

I'm running light x5, I've found the sustain and damage bonuses from light out weighed losing heavy for no CP

All Atributes Health

I have a mix of health and mag and tri glyphs

Stats are:
CP
40k health
2.2k (no lich proc) mag regen
23k mag
1.8k unbuffed spell damage
10k ish Stam

I'm using an Argonian

Lord Mundus

Vampire

SnB/Destro

SnB: Toppling Charge, Light, Blazing Shield, Puncturing Sweep, Structured Entropy ult: Ice Come
Destro: Honor the Dead, Extended Ritual, Rune, Blazing Shield, Elemental Drain, Ult: Repentance

I've been working mostly from process of elimination. Seems like many of the older builds can no longer sustain. Which is why I keep coming back to lich.

Bane seems to work really well with blaze, opponent's find themselves at low health and can't bring it back

Grothdarr is a meh choice for me. Zaan is an option, I couldn't really get Engine Guardian to work, I didn't have to gold to remove skill points from vampire so I'm kinda unable to try a more health regen approach.

I'm having decent success but I'm looking for ideas on abilities, ideal stats, set options and monster helm choices.

I am also wondering what made everyone leave the build? The damage definitely seems to be good enough

If you are going to to try and create a blazing shield tank build I recommend using drain essence from the vampire skill line to heal with. It really is the only heal that's decent since it works based on a percentage so it doesn't suffer all the healing debuffs in this game's PvP which stupidly makes healing suck with anything that isn't a fully decked out healer protected by a ring of defenders.

It's almost as if this game's PvP is intentionally designed to assist you in dying as quickly as possible and anything that might help you avoid dying is nerfed into the ground just to make sure you do.

Jeremy

Grimlok_S wrote: »

When stacking health I think vamp drain becomes pretty efficient as a heal. BoL doesn't scale so great with low spelldmg.

Agreed.

Trying to create a defensive hybrid who uses heals to counter damage just doesn't work on this game's PvP. You're better off just stacking health and using drain essence. Otherwise all healing does is amuse your opponent while he hacks through your impotent heals until you run out of magicka and die.

Checkmath

Kristofer ESO recently made a blazing shield stamplar build for summerset.
Here is the link:
https://youtu.be/IuEQFsCEw6k

He is quite after some hybrid builds for summerser and they all kind of seen to work.