Eso timeline inconsistancies, summerset and morrowind dialogue

Aliyavana

Back in the beta, it was confirmed that Naryu would recongnize you in the mainland if you did morrowind first... this was never implemented and naryu acts like she doesn't recognize you so in esscence it is better to do morrowind after you done quests involving her (pact, gold coast). Summerset will have you start on it as a new tutorial and new players will be pretty confused as to why razumdar doesn't recongnize them after completing summerset first so will we get razumdar dialogue changed like we were promised with naryu? Also a few lines of dialogue change would be nice on Auridon for Ayreen during the assassination plot in Auridon would be nice

Radinyn

Emm, than why does she recognize me?
Many characters recognize me even when i come from the newer dlcs.

Aliyavana

Radinyn wrote: »

Emm, than why does she recognize me?
Many characters recognize me even when i come from the newer dlcs.

did she recongnize you in the mainland after morrowind? And I mean like from cadwell order like deshaan then eastmarch as you meet her Many people have reported that she doesn't and acts like she doesn't know you and if so it seems its bugged. Also if you skip ahead to a zone like eastmarch where you are supposed to meet her after deshaan she will ofc know you as base game zones are not meant to be skipped story wise

VaranisArano

The entire game flows much nicer when its played in the order of release. I know that ZOS really wants to immerse players in the newest content first, but the whole plot of so many questlines hinges on you being sacrificed to Molag Bal to become Soul-Shriven that it just doesn't make sense to have you start anywhere else.

I especially don't see how it makes sense to have you start in Summerset which is Part 3 of the Daedra War plot, with Morrowind as Part 1 and Clockwork City as Part 2.

Aliyavana

VaranisArano wrote: »

The entire game flows much nicer when its played in the order of release. I know that ZOS really wants to immerse players in the newest content first, but the whole plot of so many questlines hinges on you being sacrificed to Molag Bal to become Soul-Shriven that it just doesn't make sense to have you start anywhere else.

I especially don't see how it makes sense to have you start in Summerset which is Part 3 of the Daedra War plot, with Morrowind as Part 1 and Clockwork City as Part 2.

agreed, the only reason to start on vvardenfell is to get that extra skillpoint pre morrowind players cant get. My chars go straight to main land upon landing lol

Conduit0

Well with One Tamriel even if you start in Cold Harbor with a new character you can immediately jump to any zone in the game once you're out, completely breaking story continuity anyways.

Radinyn

aliyavana wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Emm, than why does she recognize me?
Many characters recognize me even when i come from the newer dlcs.

did she recongnize you in the mainland after morrowind? And I mean like from cadwell order like deshaan then eastmarch as you meet her Many people have reported that she doesn't and acts like she doesn't know you and if so it seems its bugged. Also if you skip ahead to a zone like eastmarch where you are supposed to meet her after deshaan she will ofc know you as base game zones are not meant to be skipped story wise

ye, she did i think it works now

Huyen

In the last zone of the dominion you get to choose wheter razum'dar survives or dies. If you choose death, how can he return in summerset?

Greevir

Huyen wrote: »

In the last zone of the dominion you get to choose wheter razum'dar survives or dies. If you choose death, how can he return in summerset?

Because even if you choose for him to die, he doesn't die. He shows up saying he survived by "jumping around"...

VaranisArano

Huyen wrote: »

In the last zone of the dominion you get to choose wheter razum'dar survives or dies. If you choose death, how can he return in summerset?

Spoiler for questline.

Regardless of which choice you make, he shows up alive at the end of the quest chain in Dune as you walk the path of Jone and Jode. His dialogue differs based on your choice - he's not pleased if you saved him - but either way he is alive.

So its more like you had the choice to leave him to die or not, but then ZOS saved him anyways.

NewBlacksmurf

I did some out of order and regretted it...she’s stuck pre 40....

MasterSpatula

Huyen wrote: »

In the last zone of the dominion you get to choose wheter razum'dar survives or dies. If you choose death, how can he return in summerset?

He doesn't die. He's there at the end of the AD storyline in Dune. You can even talk to him about his escape from certain death, though the window to have this conversation is very small.

EvilCroc

1. Complete Summerset
2. Go to mainland
3. Talk with Worm Cult agent
4. Go to Coldharbour
5. Fall into the Ocean near Khenarti's Roost
6. Meet Razum-dar
7. Ask "Who are you? Why are you helping me?"
8. ???

Agree with TS, this will be complete nonsense.
And, after Summerset release will we loose Morrowind tutorial forever?
Naryu in Deshaan was disappointing.

Zalicius

I agree. They could skip the introductions on the mainland or change them so they are all seemingly casual

aliyavana wrote: »

Back in the beta, it was confirmed that Naryu would recongnize you in the mainland if you did morrowind first... this was never implemented and naryu acts like she doesn't recognize you so in esscence it is better to do morrowind after you done quests involving her (pact, gold coast). Summerset will have you start on it as a new tutorial and new players will be pretty confused as to why razumdar doesn't recongnize them after completing summerset first so will we get razumdar dialogue changed like we were promised with naryu? Also a few lines of dialogue change would be nice on Auridon for Ayreen during the assassination plot in Auridon would be nice

Would be nice. Could probably be done easily with a few lines of if/then/else code.

VaranisArano

Zalicius wrote: »

I agree. They could skip the introductions on the mainland or change them so they are all seemingly casual

aliyavana wrote: »

Back in the beta, it was confirmed that Naryu would recongnize you in the mainland if you did morrowind first... this was never implemented and naryu acts like she doesn't recognize you so in esscence it is better to do morrowind after you done quests involving her (pact, gold coast). Summerset will have you start on it as a new tutorial and new players will be pretty confused as to why razumdar doesn't recongnize them after completing summerset first so will we get razumdar dialogue changed like we were promised with naryu? Also a few lines of dialogue change would be nice on Auridon for Ayreen during the assassination plot in Auridon would be nice

Would be nice. Could probably be done easily with a few lines of if/then/else code.

Assuming they can rehire the voice actor. If they didn't get Kate Beckinsale back for Summerset, which I don't know if they have, don't expect to have them redo anything in Auridon.

Zalicius

VaranisArano wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I agree. They could skip the introductions on the mainland or change them so they are all seemingly casual

aliyavana wrote: »

Back in the beta, it was confirmed that Naryu would recongnize you in the mainland if you did morrowind first... this was never implemented and naryu acts like she doesn't recognize you so in esscence it is better to do morrowind after you done quests involving her (pact, gold coast). Summerset will have you start on it as a new tutorial and new players will be pretty confused as to why razumdar doesn't recongnize them after completing summerset first so will we get razumdar dialogue changed like we were promised with naryu? Also a few lines of dialogue change would be nice on Auridon for Ayreen during the assassination plot in Auridon would be nice

Would be nice. Could probably be done easily with a few lines of if/then/else code.

Assuming they can rehire the voice actor. If they didn't get Kate Beckinsale back for Summerset, which I don't know if they have, don't expect to have them redo anything in Auridon.

That or piece something together from existing dialog.

Aliyavana

VaranisArano wrote: »

Zalicius wrote: »

I agree. They could skip the introductions on the mainland or change them so they are all seemingly casual

aliyavana wrote: »

Back in the beta, it was confirmed that Naryu would recongnize you in the mainland if you did morrowind first... this was never implemented and naryu acts like she doesn't recognize you so in esscence it is better to do morrowind after you done quests involving her (pact, gold coast). Summerset will have you start on it as a new tutorial and new players will be pretty confused as to why razumdar doesn't recongnize them after completing summerset first so will we get razumdar dialogue changed like we were promised with naryu? Also a few lines of dialogue change would be nice on Auridon for Ayreen during the assassination plot in Auridon would be nice

Would be nice. Could probably be done easily with a few lines of if/then/else code.

Assuming they can rehire the voice actor. If they didn't get Kate Beckinsale back for Summerset, which I don't know if they have, don't expect to have them redo anything in Auridon.

I doubt they will rehire her as it probably costs a *** load of money. How much would it cost for a few lines of dialogue?

LittlePinkDot

I dont think New players will start in summerset. When I read the description about summerset on wednesday it said its the conclusion of the story that started in base game and after clockwork city.

"Experience an epic main story quest line, concluding the narrative that began in the ESO base game and continued through Clockwork City"

Word for word quote.

Aliyavana

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

I dont think New players will start in summerset. When I read the description about summerset on wednesday it said its the conclusion of the story that started in base game and after clockwork city.

"Experience an epic main story quest line, concluding the narrative that began in the ESO base game and continued through Clockwork City"

Word for word quote.

In eso live they said we were getting a new tutorial

Aliyavana

why was this put into lore section to die? This is bigger than just plotholes and can affect the new player

Zalicius

aliyavana wrote: »

why was this put into lore section to die? This is bigger than just plotholes and can affect the new player

I agree. We're not discussing lore at all, but rather the technical aspects of the game.

Hookgrin

The Prophet's voice changes back and forth between two very different sounding actors, irks my immersion, but they've done it before...

Vuldovahkriid

Hookgrin wrote: »

The Prophet's voice changes back and forth between two very different sounding actors, irks my immersion, but they've done it before...

When? I hear Michael Gambon(Dumbledore) everytime.

tyjoie

This is nothing new. The whole thing has been broken since One Tamriel was released and zone levels were removed.

MalsvirIxen

My personal opinion is that the game should always start with you being killed and sent to Coldharbour. That should remain the tutorial for every character no matter what new chapter we're on. The fact I did story stuff out of order on my dunmer toon irks me because I didn't know that Naryu wasn't going to recongize me in Deshaan. It makes me want to reroll that specific toon but I just got that toon to 50. So I'd really like to experience the game in cronlogical order but it doesn't seem like ZoS cares about continuity.

Prinseth

The way that I work with the inconsistency’s is that my main, the Vesige, did the story the order of release and any characters I make who start the new tutorials, my head canon is that they aren’t a soul shriven and they just help my Vestige in that area. But I believe any new players should play it in the order of release for the best story and immersion.

VaranisArano

I wrote up a guide for the chronological order of the various story arcs because certain stories just make more sense when done in order. Anyone doing Aldmeri Dominion, for example, is going to be terribly confused if they do the zones out of order. And even though Morrowind, Summerset, and Clockwork are supposed to be standalone, I really don't see it. Morrowind is such an extended prologue to Clockwork City that it doesn't resolve much of anything.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413807/what-order-should-i-do-esos-story-arcs-a-guide

EwanAmell

Also making Summerset before Morrowind has a strange impact on one particular member of the Court of Bedlam. I think a dialogue with the Golden Knight is there just to try to explain the timeline inconsistencies, basically telling you that doesn't matter in which ored you do the quests, for the NPCs everything happens in the release order (something along the lines of "In Oblivion time flows differently, things that haven't happened to you have happened to me and vice-versa"). Are we about to cause a dragon break of sorts in the near future?

AgmarTheUnrestful

I think ESO's over-arching story is basically about one huge Dragon Break; I can definitely picture that as one of the after-effects of the Soulburst.