Opening 90 crates to try for radiant apex.

ArtCommissions

Wish me luck? Will update the results later.

TelvanniWizard

Another poor soul. Good luck! May you find what you desire.

Sidenote: Death to scam crates!

FloppyTouch

Good luck you will need it. I have tried myself and spent a lot maybe you will get it. Then again I have had friends get 2 of them back to back with 15 crates. RNG hates me

CHM228

So this is how ZOS grab money from us.. BTW Blessing of RNGesus be upon ya

Vapirko

This is why ZOS can afford to not focus on actual performance fixes.

Xeven

I hope you get nothing but poisons and experience scrolls to be honest.

Asardes

Engines at full steam, ready harpoons!

Turelus

I was going to use the Obi-Wan "something terrible has happened" quote but I used that in another joke too recently.

Best of luck OP, hopefully you're not to disappointed if you don't get anything. If it's not too late you should use Faunter's crate logger or manually enter the info on Enodoc's sheets for tracking drop rates.

ArtCommissions

Ok, back. Overall, I got:-

- Apex bear
- Apex senche
- Apex wolf
- Resplendent roll
- Zombie skin
- Boar pet
- House cat pet
- Sharp ear pet
- Some costumes
- Some masks
- Dragon skin tattoo
- Other random stuff that exchanged for approx 1300 gems

A fun run overall. I just click open all and go. 93 crates total. Let’s see what’s in the next crate season haha.

CHM228

ArtCommissions wrote: »

Ok, back. Overall, I got:-

- Apex bear
- Apex senche
- Apex wolf
- Resplendent roll
- Zombie skin
- Boar pet
- House cat pet
- Sharp ear pet
- Some costumes
- Some masks
- Dragon skin tattoo
- Other random stuff that exchanged for approx 1300 gems

A fun run overall. I just click open all and go. 93 crates total. Let’s see what’s in the next crate season haha.

RIP no radiant..

ArtCommissions

CHM228 wrote: »

ArtCommissions wrote: »

Ok, back. Overall, I got:-

- Apex bear
- Apex senche
- Apex wolf
- Resplendent roll
- Zombie skin
- Boar pet
- House cat pet
- Sharp ear pet
- Some costumes
- Some masks
- Dragon skin tattoo
- Other random stuff that exchanged for approx 1300 gems

A fun run overall. I just click open all and go. 93 crates total. Let’s see what’s in the next crate season haha.

RIP no radiant..

Lol ya, it’s just a chance to get afterall.

Soul_Marrow

This is absurd. What exactly is the dollar amount for 90 crates?

ArtCommissions

About $200? I bought a few of the 21000 crown packs so I kinda lost track.

Lake

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n1kdrywYmgjx290QwGJj9TT1Y8z4GfEMhvQ8kQnKL5g/edit#gid=0

^ Out of 6,910 logged crates, 8 Radiant Apex mounts were gotten. (A 0.12% chance)

Don't give up now! A thousand more crates should do it.

Royaji

One day people will learn that opening crown crates and hoping to get a specific item is a recipe for disaster.

Soul_Marrow

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

SecretJoy

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rub all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Let people spend their own money the way they want to...

Kiyakotari

ArtCommissions wrote: »

I got:-

- Sharp ear pet

???

What Sharp Ear Pet?

Soul_Marrow

SecretJoy wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rub all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Let people spend their own money the way they want to...

I truly hope this is sarcasm.

Nihility42

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rub all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Anotherone773

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rub all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Let people spend their own money the way they want to...

I truly hope this is sarcasm.

Why? Do you object to people spending their money how they want?

notimetocare

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Sounds like you have a personal problem. Its what, $200ish he spent?
You could waste it on a few nights out.
You could get a fine for accidentally running a stop sign.
You could get hit by a car and spend thousands more.

Their money, who cares?

Turelus

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Last year I spend £200 on Star Wars Lego. After I made it it's sat on my desk for a year now gathering dust.

OP will probably get more active use out of those items in a year than I have my Lego, yet no one ever yells at me for wasting my money or having could have purchased many other things.

We all "waste" money in different ways.

ArtCommissions

Kiyakotari wrote: »

ArtCommissions wrote: »

I got:-

- Sharp ear pet

???

What Sharp Ear Pet?

One of the pets, I forgot the name lol. Will check it out later. On the same note, I really like the boar pet.

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game.
...
...
Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

I respect your views and well written. This may help other players on the line contemplating on buying crates. Perhaps you can rephrase a little and post on general discussions so more players can read?

To address some of the points; yes, I could have gotten all those you mentioned. And I have. The reason I stopped at $200 is because any further will allow me to buy a Nintendo Switch for my kids (I already bought them that but you know what I mean). I totally understand your points made here.

My gaming situation here may be different from others. I’m 40 yrs old, have 2 kids and family, a job that takes 12 hours daily (plus driving). I do not have time for much gaming. To that, I prefer a single game, with persistent progress and constant updates which can last me for years. Yup, a mmo. I do not have time to start new games, play through and enjoy them any more. But I can log in, play a few parties in the desert rifts (monsters dropping from sky), do some crafting, or quests etc. In short, I save more money not buying new games.

Crates are targeted at different consumer groups. Perhaps someone like me, someone who likes to collect things, or someone who likes the thrill. Of course, the common notion behind loot boxes is that they promote gambling.

Or do they?

For years now, the gaming industry has/had been under fire for presumably promoting violence. What are your thoughts on that? On that note, criminals I read on the papers don’t play video games. They are fully adults, with specific agenda, mostly misplaced and do not act, mimic or behave in any form based on video games. Do the compulsive gamblers you know buy loot boxes in video games? Perhaps they do but if I pop this question the next time I’m in Las Vegas I’ll probably get a few funny stares. Rich people I know spend their money on more vices than I personally am comfortable with, that’s just the world we live in. Unfortunately, everyone makes their own choices. Helped a few people along the way, but they turned back to their old ways soon after. Nothing I can do.

Similarly, nothing much we can do here but educate younger players. Loot boxes is but just one of the revenue streams for a game. Other streams could be subscriptions, box price, expensive dlcs, paywalled characters or levels etc. As a business, when there are opportunities for a revenue stream, we justify the resource needed and pursue the said opportunity. Nothing along the way can stop that, and especially if key stakeholders all agree to the increase in revenue, even if just incremental. Business decisions are not made overnight, but with proper papers written, justifications projected and budget allocated. Once approved, the decision normally does not revert or stop.

The other argument is that crates take away development of the game! Two schools of thought to that, the latter mentioned, and that crates’ revenue help further game dlc and content. I am sure that the devs working on crates are on a different team then devs working on art, content and development of the game in general. Yes, resources may be channeled more toward the crate team. But if resources were tight from the beginning, the content team devs may still get the cut, with or without crates in the game.

I know many people do not object to the way others pent money, these people just have their own beliefs and principles. Nothing wrong to that too. One thing we can probably advocate to other players perhaps would be to be responsible for the decisions they make. And let’s all be nice to one another. Not shout at others when they are already feeling down, you will not get your point across that way.

Hence I appreciate the post you took time to write. You have a just and sound take on the subject. On that note, I’ve also decided to take a more helpful approach to the forums and help other players whenever I can. No more nonsensical posts from me. Promise.

Lol.

Soul_Marrow

notimetocare wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game system. You could have purchased a handful of new games or 3 handfuls of used games. You could have paid a utility bill. You could have made a car payment. You could have bought 200+ lottery tickets for a chance at REAL money.You could have bought a phone or tablet. You could have fed a LARGE family several times. You could have purchased dozens of blurays. You could have bought several concert tickets.You could have bought groceries. You could have gotten a plane ticket to somewhere or gas for a road trip.I could keep doing this all day, but I'll only list one more. You could have purchased SEVERAL of the mounts you wanted instead of a few you may or may not have wanted if they would sell them in the crown store instead of ripping loyal customers off.

I am NOT at all condescending you. I am NOT being sarcastic. I am simply trying to put this into perspective for those people who may not see this point of view. I also say these things as a person who believes in capitalism wholeheartedly.

I know for a fact I will get a ton of blow back about this post from the "it's his/her money" morons so please save it. I realize it is your money and you are welcome to spend it however you'd like because you earned it, but spending it this way only justifies their bad decision making at ZOS. I have the extra money to justify spending this amount as well, but I just won't do it on principal alone. I could have a billion dollars and still not look to fatten someone else's wallet in this greed-driven way.

These are digital items that exist SOLELY on a server, a server that will eventually shut down for good. You can't even take these things with you to play in an offline single player game after the online experience is over. All we do when we tell these companies that we will pay these prices for such silly things is justify it to other companies to do the same or worse. If you don't agree with me then you clearly weren't around to game before the mobile market was a thing. The only way to get a company to understand this is through increasing or decreasing their profit margins via the means being discussed. A corporation only speaks the language of money. Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

Sounds like you have a personal problem. Its what, $200ish he spent?
You could waste it on a few nights out.
You could get a fine for accidentally running a stop sign.
You could get hit by a car and spend thousands more.

Their money, who cares?

If you read the entire post, I explained why. And those examples are terrible because they are accidents. I clearly stated its their hard earned money and they are welcome to spend it how they want to. I went on to give examples of why its a ridiculous purchase and how it affects us all. Keep shillin'.

Soul_Marrow

ArtCommissions wrote: »

Kiyakotari wrote: »

ArtCommissions wrote: »

I got:-

- Sharp ear pet

???

What Sharp Ear Pet?

One of the pets, I forgot the name lol. Will check it out later. On the same note, I really like the boar pet.

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

You could have bought a used game.
...
...
Please stop allowing companies to rob you because, in turn, they slowly start to rob all of us by experimenting with how far they are able to push the line out. Stop.

I respect your views and well written. This may help other players on the line contemplating on buying crates. Perhaps you can rephrase a little and post on general discussions so more players can read?

To address some of the points; yes, I could have gotten all those you mentioned. And I have. The reason I stopped at $200 is because any further will allow me to buy a Nintendo Switch for my kids (I already bought them that but you know what I mean). I totally understand your points made here.

My gaming situation here may be different from others. I’m 40 yrs old, have 2 kids and family, a job that takes 12 hours daily (plus driving). I do not have time for much gaming. To that, I prefer a single game, with persistent progress and constant updates which can last me for years. Yup, a mmo. I do not have time to start new games, play through and enjoy them any more. But I can log in, play a few parties in the desert rifts (monsters dropping from sky), do some crafting, or quests etc. In short, I save more money not buying new games.

Crates are targeted at different consumer groups. Perhaps someone like me, someone who likes to collect things, or someone who likes the thrill. Of course, the common notion behind loot boxes is that they promote gambling.

Or do they?

For years now, the gaming industry has/had been under fire for presumably promoting violence. What are your thoughts on that? On that note, criminals I read on the papers don’t play video games. They are fully adults, with specific agenda, mostly misplaced and do not act, mimic or behave in any form based on video games. Do the compulsive gamblers you know buy loot boxes in video games? Perhaps they do but if I pop this question the next time I’m in Las Vegas I’ll probably get a few funny stares. Rich people I know spend their money on more vices than I personally am comfortable with, that’s just the world we live in. Unfortunately, everyone makes their own choices. Helped a few people along the way, but they turned back to their old ways soon after. Nothing I can do.

Similarly, nothing much we can do here but educate younger players. Loot boxes is but just one of the revenue streams for a game. Other streams could be subscriptions, box price, expensive dlcs, paywalled characters or levels etc. As a business, when there are opportunities for a revenue stream, we justify the resource needed and pursue the said opportunity. Nothing along the way can stop that, and especially if key stakeholders all agree to the increase in revenue, even if just incremental. Business decisions are not made overnight, but with proper papers written, justifications projected and budget allocated. Once approved, the decision normally does not revert or stop.

The other argument is that crates take away development of the game! Two schools of thought to that, the latter mentioned, and that crates’ revenue help further game dlc and content. I am sure that the devs working on crates are on a different team then devs working on art, content and development of the game in general. Yes, resources may be channeled more toward the crate team. But if resources were tight from the beginning, the content team devs may still get the cut, with or without crates in the game.

I know many people do not object to the way others pent money, these people just have their own beliefs and principles. Nothing wrong to that too. One thing we can probably advocate to other players perhaps would be to be responsible for the decisions they make. And let’s all be nice to one another. Not shout at others when they are already feeling down, you will not get your point across that way.

Hence I appreciate the post you took time to write. You have a just and sound take on the subject. On that note, I’ve also decided to take a more helpful approach to the forums and help other players whenever I can. No more nonsensical posts from me. Promise.

Lol.

I just want to reiterate how I am not slamming you personally and I understand your perspective of it all. As I said, I have the extra money to spend on it and the temptation is certainly there when I see a shiny new mount. My main point for writing it is to show people a perspective they may not have considered. The perspective that they don't truly own the purchases because they are dependent on the servers running as well as the perspective that every time we validate a choice like this made by a corporation, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

We essentially tell the developers that we are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money for things we don't own, even if we have no guarantee of obtaining said items. We tell them it is alright to micro-transaction us to death with nickels and dimes that (once we normalize it) turn into 50's and 100's as you can clearly see by this example here. If we stopped sending them this message as a collective group of gamers enjoying the same game then you would have that mount in your collections right now because you would have been able to purchase it from the crown store in the first place rather than spending your hard earned money and ending up short-handed. That's the main point I'm hoping to convey.

I'm not dumping on you at all. I'm hoping to shed light on a situation that began with horse armor back on the xbox 360 essentially and with mobile gaming markets that have now tainted and poisoned pc and console gaming. We slowly, but surely bought into this idea of someone selling us either a half finished game and then piecing the rest out to us OR selling us the product and then selling extras on the side for MORE than you paid for the damn game (and sometimes the console) in the first place. There are people out there spending over what the cost of a sealed Xbox One X and sealed copy os eso is to get a mouth that will disappear when the plug is pulled on the server. How anyone in the world can justify that is beyond me and it hurts us as a collective group (this is aimed less at you and more at the people shilling in comments).





P.S. for the people who comment to argue or comment without reading entire posts:

Guess what happens when we show a company what we are and aren't willing to pay for or stand for? They change their good/bad habits based on our dollars. Want to know why EA sells you crappy games that are half cocked? Because you let them. You come onto the internet and moan about hoe bad it is, but you still fork over your cash time and time again hoping for different results.

Would any of you go to McDonald's and buy a Big Mac for full price and allow them to hand you a bun then try to sell you the rest of the ingredients separately after your purchase? Would any of you go to McDonald's and buy a Big Mac that comes as a full burger for full price and then allow them to charge you 300 dollars for the condiments, or worse, a CHANCE at maybe having the condiments? Of course not. You would be all hashtags and boycots and collective outrage, but for some reason we turn a blind eye when it comes to gaming. Stop normalizing shady, bad business practices PLEASE because WE ALL suffer from it in the long run. Sure, "it's his/her money" now...then the companies crunch the numbers and realize that people will pay it so that is what they offer us....then it becomes all of our money. If someone wants to spend 300 dollars on a mount, go for it. Buy the mount from the crown store for 20 and then donate the remaining 280 dollars to ZOS out of the goodness of your hearts if you think something is worth more than you paid for it. Would you sell something for 50 bucks if you were guaranteed to get 100 for it easily? Hell no you wouldn't. Stop normalizing predatory business practices of ripping us all off "because we can". Why is this even an argument to be had? How is this even the slightest bit controversial?

Anotherone773

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

If you read the entire post, I explained why. And those examples are terrible because they are accidents. I clearly stated its their hard earned money and they are welcome to spend it how they want to. I went on to give examples of why its a ridiculous purchase and how it affects us all. Keep shillin'.

Your trying to use your feelings towards something to invalidate someone elses spending and then saying it affects everyone. I had a $40 steak dinner the other night. You could invalidate that by saying, its a waste of money to spend that much on food when you can go to the store and buy Ramen noodles for $0.20 a pack. Some people have a $600 phone, we can invalidate that by saying that you can buy one for less than $100 and sometimes even get one for free. I have 4 TVs in my house, but i cant watch all of them at the same time, so why do i need four? Same with vehicles i have two, i cant drive both at the same time. I can pretty much invalidate all of the spending you do in life to the point where you might not even need a job. If you would just LISTEN to me!!!!!!

Some people like to collect costumes, skins, mounts, and pets in game. Some like to do the achieves. Some like PVE and some like PVP. Some have to even RP there way through the entire game because its important to them to "be in character."
I personally think it is silly to blow money on vanity items that ultimately have no purpose, but im sure those people that do could find many things i do in life and/or the game they think are silly and pointless.

My only hangup with this radiant mount thing, is people whine when they spent money and didnt win. You didnt pay to win, you paid for a chance to win and lost. Other than that if they want to spend themselves into bankruptcy i really dont care. And even if you could, and you cant, get every gamer in the world to stop spending money on non essential parts of the game, its only going to make your gaming difficult.

Without that revenue stream they have to come up with other ways to make revenue. $40 chapter just became $80 chapter. Subs are mandatory. You will pay for everything in every game. Gaming would actually become more expensive for a majority of people and in many cases people could not afford it.

It sounds like to me, you have "cant afford remorse". You cant afford to buy premium items but you really really want them. And your solution is if people would just stop paying ridiculous( to you) amounts of money for them, ZOS would have to make them cheaper and thus more affordable for everyone, including you.

Just remember those crates are a big reason why, after the initial purchase, you can play as much as you want for free. That purchase price only covers the development costs and bug fixes of the game usually. All the expense to pay CS, mods, IT, bandwidth usage, and further development costs arent covered by that. Thats all covered by our "pointless overpriced" purchases.

Soul_Marrow

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

If you read the entire post, I explained why. And those examples are terrible because they are accidents. I clearly stated its their hard earned money and they are welcome to spend it how they want to. I went on to give examples of why its a ridiculous purchase and how it affects us all. Keep shillin'.

Your trying to use your feelings towards something to invalidate someone elses spending and then saying it affects everyone. I had a $40 steak dinner the other night. You could invalidate that by saying, its a waste of money to spend that much on food when you can go to the store and buy Ramen noodles for $0.20 a pack. Some people have a $600 phone, we can invalidate that by saying that you can buy one for less than $100 and sometimes even get one for free. I have 4 TVs in my house, but i cant watch all of them at the same time, so why do i need four? Same with vehicles i have two, i cant drive both at the same time. I can pretty much invalidate all of the spending you do in life to the point where you might not even need a job. If you would just LISTEN to me!!!!!!

Some people like to collect costumes, skins, mounts, and pets in game. Some like to do the achieves. Some like PVE and some like PVP. Some have to even RP there way through the entire game because its important to them to "be in character."
I personally think it is silly to blow money on vanity items that ultimately have no purpose, but im sure those people that do could find many things i do in life and/or the game they think are silly and pointless.

My only hangup with this radiant mount thing, is people whine when they spent money and didnt win. You didnt pay to win, you paid for a chance to win and lost. Other than that if they want to spend themselves into bankruptcy i really dont care. And even if you could, and you cant, get every gamer in the world to stop spending money on non essential parts of the game, its only going to make your gaming difficult.

Without that revenue stream they have to come up with other ways to make revenue. $40 chapter just became $80 chapter. Subs are mandatory. You will pay for everything in every game. Gaming would actually become more expensive for a majority of people and in many cases people could not afford it.

It sounds like to me, you have "cant afford remorse". You cant afford to buy premium items but you really really want them. And your solution is if people would just stop paying ridiculous( to you) amounts of money for them, ZOS would have to make them cheaper and thus more affordable for everyone, including you.

Just remember those crates are a big reason why, after the initial purchase, you can play as much as you want for free. That purchase price only covers the development costs and bug fixes of the game usually. All the expense to pay CS, mods, IT, bandwidth usage, and further development costs arent covered by that. Thats all covered by our "pointless overpriced" purchases.

See my above post. I work as an engineer in a very successful medical device company. I don't have any sort f "can't afford remorse" as your "he doesn't agree with me so he must be poor" fallacy suggests. I have remorse watching an industry I have loved my entire life become more and more tainted.

You are comparing apples to pumpkins. Your 40 dollar steak dinner doesn't set a precedent to the restaurant industry because that market operates much differently. It's also different if said item takes a specific amount of time and resources to create. I wouldn't expect to get a new car for 300 dollars. I expect to pay for the materials used, time spent in development and production, cost of transport, etc then a little more than that in order for a business to do what they are supposed to do: make money. 90 percent of these things are re-skins that an amateur modder could have created in an hour for free. Once again, see my above post if you care to HELP US ALL, yet here you are to argue why we should be expected to pay an absurd amount at a CHANCE at getting an item we don't even own. The gap in logic is larger than the Grand Canyon.

And please don't give me that nonsense about the crates paying for my experience. B.S. I have played MMO's my entire life and they have taken many different shapes and forms. The model used by ZOS combines ALL OF THEM in order to be a money making train. That's what companies do. They only stop those practices when it isn't making them money. They could have gone with a sub model and been fine. They could have gone with selling said items in the store and been fine. They could coast off of the name Elder Scrolls alone for the most part. They instead took all of the different market styles of sales and mashed them into a greed machine and why wouldn't they? We allow them to. Good on them for doing what a business should do. The point I'm making is that it is unnecessary for them to do this and sustain comfortably AND it sets a precedent for the entire industry...just like mobile gaming. You think F2P or P2W games existed on consoles 15 years ago?

Anotherone773

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

If you read the entire post, I explained why. And those examples are terrible because they are accidents. I clearly stated its their hard earned money and they are welcome to spend it how they want to. I went on to give examples of why its a ridiculous purchase and how it affects us all. Keep shillin'.

Your trying to use your feelings towards something to invalidate someone elses spending and then saying it affects everyone. I had a $40 steak dinner the other night. You could invalidate that by saying, its a waste of money to spend that much on food when you can go to the store and buy Ramen noodles for $0.20 a pack. Some people have a $600 phone, we can invalidate that by saying that you can buy one for less than $100 and sometimes even get one for free. I have 4 TVs in my house, but i cant watch all of them at the same time, so why do i need four? Same with vehicles i have two, i cant drive both at the same time. I can pretty much invalidate all of the spending you do in life to the point where you might not even need a job. If you would just LISTEN to me!!!!!!

Some people like to collect costumes, skins, mounts, and pets in game. Some like to do the achieves. Some like PVE and some like PVP. Some have to even RP there way through the entire game because its important to them to "be in character."
I personally think it is silly to blow money on vanity items that ultimately have no purpose, but im sure those people that do could find many things i do in life and/or the game they think are silly and pointless.

My only hangup with this radiant mount thing, is people whine when they spent money and didnt win. You didnt pay to win, you paid for a chance to win and lost. Other than that if they want to spend themselves into bankruptcy i really dont care. And even if you could, and you cant, get every gamer in the world to stop spending money on non essential parts of the game, its only going to make your gaming difficult.

Without that revenue stream they have to come up with other ways to make revenue. $40 chapter just became $80 chapter. Subs are mandatory. You will pay for everything in every game. Gaming would actually become more expensive for a majority of people and in many cases people could not afford it.

It sounds like to me, you have "cant afford remorse". You cant afford to buy premium items but you really really want them. And your solution is if people would just stop paying ridiculous( to you) amounts of money for them, ZOS would have to make them cheaper and thus more affordable for everyone, including you.

Just remember those crates are a big reason why, after the initial purchase, you can play as much as you want for free. That purchase price only covers the development costs and bug fixes of the game usually. All the expense to pay CS, mods, IT, bandwidth usage, and further development costs arent covered by that. Thats all covered by our "pointless overpriced" purchases.

See my above post. You are comparing apples to pumpkins. Your 40 dollar steak dinner doesn't set a precedent to the restaurant industry because that market operates much differently. It's also different if said item takes a specific amount of time and resources to create. I wouldn't expect to get a new car for 300 dollars. I expect to pay for the materials used, time spent in development and production, cost of transport, etc then a little more than that in order for a business to do what they are supposed to do: make money. 90 percent of these things are re-skins that an amateur modder could have created in an hour for free. Once again, see my above post if you care to HELP US ALL, yet here you are to argue why we should be expected to pay an absurd amount at a CHANCE at getting an item we don't even own. The gap in logic is larger than the Grand Canyon.

You still dont understand do you? You know when you fill out a customer support ticket, that person that writes you back? Where do you think his salary comes from? The devs that make those skins " in an hour" where do you think their salary comes from? The IT people that constantly monitor the servers, traffic, and back end stuff....where do you think their salaries come from? The business and risk managers...there salary comes from where? The lawyers that make sure the business is operating legally for all countries it is operating in... pro bono? The HR folks that makes sure labor laws are followed, people are getting paid, and deal with their benefits... hobby for them? Janitors, secretaries, other essential personnel for basic business function...nothing better to do for them?

What about that building all of this is contained in? Maintenance, landscaping, property taxes, electricity, water, sewer, trash service, etc? Licenses trademarks patents? Servers, redundancy systems, power generators, computers many of which have to be fairly high end to do graphics design...even copier paper, pencils, and yes...even toilet paper?

Where do you think all the money comes from for these daily costs every day this game is online? You think the chapter that is coming pays for that? Wrong. That chapter pays its development costs, marketing, distribution fees, and all associated nonsense. If they are lucky they will make some profit off it but it will likely take them a year or two before they get there.

All that money for day to day operations of an MMO comes from...wait for it...

wait for it.....

That crate that shady khajiit is sitting on.

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Soul_Marrow wrote: »

See my above post. I work as an engineer in a very successful medical device company. I don't have any sort f "can't afford remorse" as your "he doesn't agree with me so he must be poor" fallacy suggests. I have remorse watching an industry I have loved my entire life become more and more tainted.

That's irrelevant. I know people who make six figures a year and have to take a sack lunch to work and people who make $40k a year who take two vacations a year and go out and party every other weekend. I also know a lot of engineers as my wife works for one of the largest engineer employers in the world.

Soul_Marrow

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

If you read the entire post, I explained why. And those examples are terrible because they are accidents. I clearly stated its their hard earned money and they are welcome to spend it how they want to. I went on to give examples of why its a ridiculous purchase and how it affects us all. Keep shillin'.

Your trying to use your feelings towards something to invalidate someone elses spending and then saying it affects everyone. I had a $40 steak dinner the other night. You could invalidate that by saying, its a waste of money to spend that much on food when you can go to the store and buy Ramen noodles for $0.20 a pack. Some people have a $600 phone, we can invalidate that by saying that you can buy one for less than $100 and sometimes even get one for free. I have 4 TVs in my house, but i cant watch all of them at the same time, so why do i need four? Same with vehicles i have two, i cant drive both at the same time. I can pretty much invalidate all of the spending you do in life to the point where you might not even need a job. If you would just LISTEN to me!!!!!!

Some people like to collect costumes, skins, mounts, and pets in game. Some like to do the achieves. Some like PVE and some like PVP. Some have to even RP there way through the entire game because its important to them to "be in character."
I personally think it is silly to blow money on vanity items that ultimately have no purpose, but im sure those people that do could find many things i do in life and/or the game they think are silly and pointless.

My only hangup with this radiant mount thing, is people whine when they spent money and didnt win. You didnt pay to win, you paid for a chance to win and lost. Other than that if they want to spend themselves into bankruptcy i really dont care. And even if you could, and you cant, get every gamer in the world to stop spending money on non essential parts of the game, its only going to make your gaming difficult.

Without that revenue stream they have to come up with other ways to make revenue. $40 chapter just became $80 chapter. Subs are mandatory. You will pay for everything in every game. Gaming would actually become more expensive for a majority of people and in many cases people could not afford it.

It sounds like to me, you have "cant afford remorse". You cant afford to buy premium items but you really really want them. And your solution is if people would just stop paying ridiculous( to you) amounts of money for them, ZOS would have to make them cheaper and thus more affordable for everyone, including you.

Just remember those crates are a big reason why, after the initial purchase, you can play as much as you want for free. That purchase price only covers the development costs and bug fixes of the game usually. All the expense to pay CS, mods, IT, bandwidth usage, and further development costs arent covered by that. Thats all covered by our "pointless overpriced" purchases.

See my above post. You are comparing apples to pumpkins. Your 40 dollar steak dinner doesn't set a precedent to the restaurant industry because that market operates much differently. It's also different if said item takes a specific amount of time and resources to create. I wouldn't expect to get a new car for 300 dollars. I expect to pay for the materials used, time spent in development and production, cost of transport, etc then a little more than that in order for a business to do what they are supposed to do: make money. 90 percent of these things are re-skins that an amateur modder could have created in an hour for free. Once again, see my above post if you care to HELP US ALL, yet here you are to argue why we should be expected to pay an absurd amount at a CHANCE at getting an item we don't even own. The gap in logic is larger than the Grand Canyon.

You still dont understand do you? You know when you fill out a customer support ticket, that person that writes you back? Where do you think his salary comes from? The devs that make those skins " in an hour" where do you think their salary comes from? The IT people that constantly monitor the servers, traffic, and back end stuff....where do you think their salaries come from? The business and risk managers...there salary comes from where? The lawyers that make sure the business is operating legally for all countries it is operating in... pro bono? The HR folks that makes sure labor laws are followed, people are getting paid, and deal with their benefits... hobby for them? Janitors, secretaries, other essential personnel for basic business function...nothing better to do for them?

What about that building all of this is contained in? Maintenance, landscaping, property taxes, electricity, water, sewer, trash service, etc? Licenses trademarks patents? Servers, redundancy systems, power generators, computers many of which have to be fairly high end to do graphics design...even copier paper, pencils, and yes...even toilet paper?

Where do you think all the money comes from for these daily costs every day this game is online? You think the chapter that is coming pays for that? Wrong. That chapter pays its development costs, marketing, distribution fees, and all associated nonsense. If they are lucky they will make some profit off it but it will likely take them a year or two before they get there.

All that money for day to day operations of an MMO comes from...wait for it...

wait for it.....

That crate that shady khajiit is sitting on.

YOU don't seem to understand, in fact. Do you think this is the only MMO in history who had to solve those financial woes? Is this the magical unicorn MMO that never existed before and completely flipped the table? Do you really think this costs SSOOO much more to operate than literally ANY other big name MMO in the past, present, or future? Please read a little more on the economics of this industry before you answer this with another ill informed, smarmy retort. THIS IS NOTHING NEW...THE BUSINESS PRACTICE, HOWEVER, IS. Explain that to me logically and with something other than feelings to back it up please.

Turelus