Instead of a unified auction house...

AlnilamE

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

Cpt_Teemo

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

Yeah just one of the least demanding areas though, what they really need to do is have a centralized market searcher per zone and tells you which vendor that item is on then you can go get it just like how the Swg bazaar worked, also to have a proper filter as well so we don't have to sip through 10-100's of empty pages.

sho_nuff

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

idk

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

Drachenfier

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

I got a good laugh out of this.

sho_nuff

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

If I've gone to that store maybe twice since launch, yes... it's truly inconvenient.

The fact remains that a global search would increase the visibility and viability of non-key locale traders.

idk

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

I got a good laugh out of this.

Laugh all your like. It’s true and Zos sees how vibrant it is. No one here has disproved it which is what would be required to have a real conversation on changing this.

Fact remains it works for the game and isn’t being changed.

Drachenfier

idk wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

I got a good laugh out of this.

Laugh all your like. It’s true and Zos sees how vibrant it is. No one here has disproved it which is what would be required to have a real conversation on changing this.

Fact remains it works for the game and isn’t being changed.

If it were true, more people would use it. If it were "robust" and "vibrant", I wouldn't have thousands upon thousands of mats sitting in my craft bag.

"Inconvenient" and "Cumbersome" are words I'd use to describe it.

rfennell_ESO

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

Yeah just one of the least demanding areas though, what they really need to do is have a centralized market searcher per zone and tells you which vendor that item is on then you can go get it just like how the Swg bazaar worked, also to have a proper filter as well so we don't have to sip through 10-100's of empty pages.

That's the solution that simplifies finding stuff, but doesn't change anything else.

Per ZONE searches that don't allow you to purchase, just tell you what is available in zone. It's not unreasonable to expect trader merchants in the same zone to know what each other are selling.

This will also make out of the way locations of vendors more viable and give people a reason to not always have to sit in rawlka. It will also make it much harder to corner the market on things as people can reasonably shop around without it taking forever.

Aebaradath

Nobody has done it yet, so I will:

VaranisArano

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

I got a good laugh out of this.

Laugh all your like. It’s true and Zos sees how vibrant it is. No one here has disproved it which is what would be required to have a real conversation on changing this.

Fact remains it works for the game and isn’t being changed.

If it were true, more people would use it. If it were "robust" and "vibrant", I wouldn't have thousands upon thousands of mats sitting in my craft bag.

"Inconvenient" and "Cumbersome" are words I'd use to describe it.

To each their own. I find it very easy to farm and sell mats without the crafting bag using my trading guilds. True, finding that one specific thing I'm looking for is more annoying than it needs to be, but for the majority of common items its been pretty easy to find what I want at a price I want it for, all without TTC. Not everyone finds it easy to use, but not everyone finds it hard to use.

starkerealm

Knowledge wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

So a middle ground that still allows guilds to extort people who just want to sell a few items?

Yeah, no.

I don't think you know what extortion is.

@KiraTsukasa, I want you to understand, you're so wrong that I'm agreeing with @Knowledge about something. You understand how out there you have to be for that to happen?

starkerealm

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

Ironically, I think Glenumbra may be the zone with the most inconvenient trader locations. Though, I'd need to check Eastmarch, Greenshade, and Malabal Tor, before I swore to that.

Beardimus

No thanks. As would all thats bad about AH, which we dont want.

Beardimus

Knowledge wrote: »

I'd also like to add that this would help console players tremendously who don't have access to said add-ons.

No thanks, and we very happy without them

KiraTsukasa

starkerealm wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

So a middle ground that still allows guilds to extort people who just want to sell a few items?

Yeah, no.

I don't think you know what extortion is.

@KiraTsukasa, I want you to understand, you're so wrong that I'm agreeing with @Knowledge about something. You understand how out there you have to be for that to happen?

What? You agree with him that guilds aren't taking advantage of people because their way is the only way to sell items?

You're as delusional as he is.

KiraTsukasa

JWKe wrote: »

I agree with you. Like with Runescape prior to a unified auction house, Banks (sell locations) often were bustling little hubs where many players huddled together to sell their goods. After, the release of a Unified auction house however all players just huddle around the auction house taking "live" and vibrancy away from the lesser visited cities. I see the same for this game if they were to go ahead with the unified auction house.

Certainly, with the release of a unified auction house in runescape it did lower the occurrence of scams quite significantly however i think at the cost of a reason to visit a lesser populated city.

Only two banks were used as trading hubs, Varrock West and Edgeville. With the Grand Exchange, Varrock's traffic was moved slightly northwest and Edgeville's was unaffected. Since the GE was also cross server, it actually sped up selling times so less people were standing around. And to top it all off, it had a smart sale system where the GE would find you the best deal for an item, often getting you a lower price for what you were buying and higher price than what you wanted to sell. All said and done, it was a much, MUCH better system than ESO.

AlnilamE

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

I got a good laugh out of this.

Laugh all your like. It’s true and Zos sees how vibrant it is. No one here has disproved it which is what would be required to have a real conversation on changing this.

Fact remains it works for the game and isn’t being changed.

If it were true, more people would use it. If it were "robust" and "vibrant", I wouldn't have thousands upon thousands of mats sitting in my craft bag.

"Inconvenient" and "Cumbersome" are words I'd use to describe it.

I have thousands of mats sitting in craft bags/storage in games that have Auction Houses too.

sho_nuff wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

If I've gone to that store maybe twice since launch, yes... it's truly inconvenient.

The fact remains that a global search would increase the visibility and viability of non-key locale traders.

And that would likely price smaller guilds out of the market.

starkerealm wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

Ironically, I think Glenumbra may be the zone with the most inconvenient trader locations. Though, I'd need to check Eastmarch, Greenshade, and Malabal Tor, before I swore to that.

For me, Shornhelm in Rivenspire takes the cake. The traders are on the opposite side of town from the wayshrine.

Glenumbra is not too bad. You just go down the steps from the wayshrine in Daggerfall and you are right at the traders.

sho_nuff

How would that price anyone out? No one goes to off-traders anyway?

jedtb16_ESO

Hluill wrote: »

Yay! Another thread where we all continue to spout the same generalizations!

"AHs suck and don't work!"

"Guild Traders are a pain and don't work!"

I personally think the Guild Trader system is inefficient and exclusive. I definitely enjoy the convenience and better interfaces of other MMOs' Auction Houses.

I made my peace with the ESO's *** system by
a) not taking part in the player economy
b) using https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search when i actually want to find something.

It's a shame the player economy is so poorly done that this is necessary.

the statements you made that i put in bold contradict each other....

you say you do not participate in the player economy but you use ttc to participate in the player economy...

eh?

CardboardedBox

I always think of an auction house as the grand exchange in runescape. There it worked great. Everything became immediate, and harder to find items, and ones that didn't sell well all of a sudden became much easier to find/sell.

The biggest complaint was that it took away a lot of player interaction, but the utter convenience won most people over.

But also, RS didn't have guilds that would be mass murdered. So that factor is playing a big part in eso. Just a simple search function is all it needs to erase to monotony and repetitiveness of going to every single guild trader in hopes you will actually find what your looking for, only to end like a hour and a half later empty handed...

starkerealm

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

So a middle ground that still allows guilds to extort people who just want to sell a few items?

Yeah, no.

I don't think you know what extortion is.

@KiraTsukasa, I want you to understand, you're so wrong that I'm agreeing with @Knowledge about something. You understand how out there you have to be for that to happen?

What? You agree with him that guilds aren't taking advantage of people because their way is the only way to sell items?

You're as delusional as he is.

No, @KiraTsukasa, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word, "extortion."

Hluill

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hluill wrote: »

Yay! Another thread where we all continue to spout the same generalizations!

"AHs suck and don't work!"

"Guild Traders are a pain and don't work!"

I personally think the Guild Trader system is inefficient and exclusive. I definitely enjoy the convenience and better interfaces of other MMOs' Auction Houses.

I made my peace with the ESO's *** system by
a) not taking part in the player economy
b) using https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search when i actually want to find something.

It's a shame the player economy is so poorly done that this is necessary.

the statements you made that i put in bold contradict each other....

you say you do not participate in the player economy but you use ttc to participate in the player economy...

eh?

I do not understand your confusion.

Maybe I should clarify the implication that it is very rare that I actually even need to find something, because I do not participate in the player economy.

Maybe I should clarify that participation in the player economy means that I would spend time buying and selling things with other players. Right now, in other MMOs (some of which I haven't played in months), I have items for sale. I am constantly putting things up for sale. That is not my habit in ESO. It's not that I am some kinda whiz-bang trader in other MMO economies, but I do actively sell stuff, too cheaply, to other players. Rarely do I do it in ESO.

Does that make my mud a little less murky?

Hluill

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

While I am a fan of Auction Houses, I have to agree with these statements. It is definitely 'a more flavorful trading system'. And there are definitely benefits to a less-centralized system.

One of my frustrations is my own pet peeve: uniform standards. So, we all enjoy the convenience of a universal bank: no matter where I am I can access my stuff. We all enjoy the convenience of carrying too much crap in our bags. We all enjoy the convenience of calling our mount out of no where. We all enjoy the convenience of weapon swapping. Et cetera.

But, ask for the convenience of an Auction House? Well that's just blasphemy to some players. The convenience of centralized searches is considered by some to be exploitive. Just suggesting the convenience of being able to search by name is greeted with vehemence.

Then there's the simple fact that ESO's system is plainly not convenient or accessable to many players. It's okay and sometimes great if one is in a decent guild, which can be challenging to find.

Drachenfier

Mad posting skills on display.

Drachenfier

Hluill wrote: »

idk wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

sho_nuff wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

It takes the game five minutes to iterate through all guild traders at switch to determine who won the bids.

Let's just imagine how long it would take to actually search through all the items from all the traders to see who has what and list the information.

In the meantime, people who just go around and search will have bought them up.

That might be true for Wayrest, but that guy hanging out in the middle of Coldharbour? Personally, I'm not looking to find the best deal necessarily, but general availability.

The global search wouldn't even have to be real time. Refreshing off of a list that updated every so often would speed up search times, I'd imagine.

Coldharbour traders are actually all conveniently located. It's very easy to get to them and back to the wayshrine.

If you have to wayshrine for one trader, it's not convenient.

Doesn’t mean it’s truly inconvenient either.

Fact remains that the current system has proven to be robust and has brought about a vibrant economy. I commend Zos on developing a more flavorful trading system vs going did the stale AH used in games due to lack of imagination.

And there are definitely benefits to a less-centralized system.

I can't think of a single benefit to this crap system.

Knowledge

The only people that get any benefit from the current system are arbitrage traders with massive wealth. They can exploit the unknowing individuals.

DieAlteHexe

Knowledge wrote: »

The only people that get any benefit from the current system are arbitrage traders with massive wealth. They can exploit the unknowing individuals.

In a word; Hogwash. I'm just a casual player, mostly soloing. I have made 1 million in a couple of weeks simply by harvesting, digging up treasure chests and playing as I normally do. Now, I'll grant that 1 million isn't up there with the BIG traders but your assertion that "the only people that get any benefit..." is flat out wrong.

I'm benefiting and having a good time whilst doing so.

sho_nuff

I actually like the guild store system. It adds an extra layer of complexity that I find interesting. Do you get a key spot in a well-travelled location? Do you have cheaper prices at a less-frequented one?

However, it's not complete imo without a search. It takes a good deal of time to physically search all the traders, which I don't have -- I'd guess that most people don't. So I (and those like me) don't go to them. My time is worth gold, and when I look for things I'll typically look over my budget just to decide if the extra cash is worth looking at another store.

bloodthirstyvampire

Everybody uncuting everybody soon the most expensive items will be 1k each like alloy, anymore and good luck selling it