Who would win in a fight Mannimarco vs Lamae bal

bloodthirstyvampire

First Vampire Lamae bal vs Mannimarco king of worms
This is debatable as all we have on the blood matron is lore
so I'm going to post links to their wiki pages

Lamae bal
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lamae_Bal
Mannimarco
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mannimarco_(Online)

VaranisArano

Unlike Lamae Bal, Mannimarco has plot immunity for appearing in future TES games.

Aliyavana

Mannimarco

As powerful as Lamae Val is, mannimarco is one of the most powerful mages as well as necromancy in lore and is a former psijic, and rivals Vanus galereon

Cpt_Teemo

They both die

Teemo will win always

Shanjijri

They both die

No one got the win.

bloodthirstyvampire

Lamae Bal

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Teemo will win always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U996nO8zkZs @Cpt_Teemo

mb10

Mannimarco

Lamae bal's weakness to fire is an issue and from what I know she wasnt a vampire lord.

Mannimarco though... you dont earn the title "King of Worms" for no reason.

I think he's one of the most powerful in the TES series

Wing

Lamae Bal

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

Thevampirenight

Lamae Bal

Well Mannimarco dispite the worm cult propaganda of being the first ever lich he really is not.
He becomes a god but is kicked out of godhood by the jills. I imagine he was also resurrected by the Jills losing his lichdom too by the time of the mages guild questline in oblivion. Which is why you don't fight him as a lich.

Lamae Bal would be to vampires what Hircine is to werewolves. I would say she has a lot of power over vampirism maybe more so then Molag Bal because he forced it apon her. Given enough strength and vampire supporters maybe she could even take on and defeat Molag Bal. She sure seems interested in possibly doing it.

ParaNostram

Lamae Bal

Mannimarco at the time of the Elder Scrolls Online is not Mannimarco at his peak. If we were talking at his peak, AKA when he became a literal god, yeah he'd win but before then? You gotta give credit to the first vampire in all of Tamriel. Like we're talking Merethic Era old here. She's not only the first vampire but the oldest of the Undead as well. Simply put, before Mannimarco ascends to godhood it's no contest between them.

TelvanniWizard

They both die

They are both noobs.

WakeYourGhost

Lamae Bal

An Average Vampire made by Lamae Bal can easily sweep Mannimarco to the side like a tinker-toy.

Anyways, Lamae has a large series of Abilities that would, one can assume, heal her while injuring her foe.
Mannimarco has some mostly generic "Super magic" that would be only semi-effective against Lamae at best.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

One-on-one I'd say Mannimarco, but if it was them and all their minions I'd give it to Lamae; she seems more competent (no giant projections detailing her plans in a booming voice at least) and the Worm Cultists seem to be more incompetent.

ak_pvp

Draw (nobody losers)

Lamae is strong physically. So I doubt manimarco could in a fair fight ever win, unless of course you are counting weird god manimarco or one if one of his major plans goes well (Probably not) That said he is a lich. His death doesn't matter exactly, and he won't really die unless a daedric prince themselves decides to personally *** them up or someone gets to his soul.

TheTwistedRune

Mannimarco

Lamae Bal only has 31364 HP. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Lamae_Bal

A single Soul Assault from a player would burn her to cinders. So I do not fancy her chances against Mannimarco either.

TheShadowScout

Don't know enough

I would say it depenmds entirely in the details.

If both meet unprepared in a dark alley, I'd give advantage to Lamae Bal - she would overpower Mannimarco and have a light snack.

If both have time to prepare, I give advantage to Mannimarco - he would be ready loaded with spells that especially target her weaknesses, and she would find herself overwhelmed by his magic despite all her powers.

Both assume they would fight to the death, which would be an faulty assumption - far more likely that whoever realizes they are overmatched would have some escape option ready and simply withdraw.

Ectheliontnacil

Mannimarco

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

ak_pvp

Draw (nobody losers)

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

"Escaped his prison in coldharbour." Directly or indirectly our fault. We crippled molag so coldharbour was weak, or we straight up freed him. Lamae might not be a vampire lord strain, but she is still a daughter of coldharbor, and as such possesses many of the strong powers. The lich part is the only thing that would keep him safe, that he cannot be easily fully killed. Of course there is god mannimarco, but that isn't the one we are talking about, since that is years into the future.

Aliyavana

Mannimarco

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

Wing wrote: »

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

VaranisArano

aliyavana wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

Wing wrote: »

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

Real life Vampire Lore =/= TES lore.

Please either quote your TES source for that or leave it out of the thread.

Grimm13

My Mom will beat up your Dad....

Wing

Lamae Bal

aliyavana wrote: »

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

during the vampire quest in ESO if you talk to the underling that lets you in she explains it, that is one of the reasons she started turning people into vampires (aside from trolling Arkay and Molag Bal) is she found instead of getting weaker "her strength multiplied" so the more "children" she has the stronger she gets.

also the idea that she does not have access to vampire lord I would probably dispute. she is the original vampire, original daughter of colharbor, and oldest of all vampires. every vampire strain traces back to her and thus I would assume she has the ability to access the strongest features of all vampire strains and probably negate most of the weaknesses. just because we don't see her use it in the 5-10 minutes we spend with her in ESO does not mean she cannot transform.

the ritual harkon, serana, etc. underwent is almost the same, they just came much later (and in harkons case he just sacrificed a bunch of people to molag bal for the power, guess he didn't want to be a victim of molag bals "domination")

also this is not taking into account base abilities not counting vampirism, nothing is stopping her from learning spells or martial training. I would assume having many lifetimes over to study or hone craft she could be incredibly proficient (much like the player) at anything or everything.

Aliyavana

Mannimarco

VaranisArano wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

Wing wrote: »

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

Real life Vampire Lore =/= TES lore.

Please either quote your TES source for that or leave it out of the thread.

are you referring to me? I was quoting what he was saying, not my words. and does =/= mean doesn't equal?

Tan9oSuccka

Molag Bill.

Ectheliontnacil

Mannimarco

Even if her strenght increases by spreading the curse of vampirism (and our sources are vague at best on this) we have no idea by how much and how many vampires she's actually created. And again, Lamae didn't have any inherent powers prior to being a vampire.

My main point here, and this cannot be disputed by anyone, is that the fact she's an insignificant character in TES lore speaks volumes of her "powers". Lamae hates Molag Ball, Arkay and their followers (and probably a lot of others). Yet after all the millenia she has had to grow her strenght, she still hasn't landed a single blow on her enemies. Of course the priesthood of Arkay is a formidable opponent and you might think her attacking Molag Bals forces couldn't be accomplished by one individual, but let's put this into perspective. Mannimarco was able to overthrow the mages guild (after having previously killed its founder - Vanus Galerion) and plunged Cyrodiil into chaos twice! And some of these feats he accomplished as the remaining mortal shadow of his former self, that was left behind as he assumed his divine form.

Those who argue that I can't pit god Mannimarco against Lamae Bal and tell me that Lamae is growing in strenght rapidly...kind of a double standard: Lamae at the hypothetical hight of her power vs Mannimarco after having been thwarted by the Vestige+Molag Bal.

Simply put: Mannimarco is a mage who's powers grew beyond comprehension, he is immortal and divine. I don't even see the point in pitting him against a wallflower such as Lamae Bal.

VaranisArano

aliyavana wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

Wing wrote: »

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

Real life Vampire Lore =/= TES lore.

Please either quote your TES source for that or leave it out of the thread.

are you referring to me? I was quoting what he was saying, not my words. and does =/= mean doesn't equal?

Yeah =/= means doesn't equal. TES Lore is not the same as real life vampire lore, so I'd far prefer actual TES lore sources.

DeadlyRecluse

Mannimarco

Mannimarco is known to be insanely powerful.

Lamae Bal might be very powerful, or she might just be little more powerful than the average vampire. She's an unknown at best--but based on her relative lack of impact on TES lore overall it's hard to argue that she has a lot going on.

Aliyavana

Mannimarco

VaranisArano wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

Wing wrote: »

my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

Real life Vampire Lore =/= TES lore.

Please either quote your TES source for that or leave it out of the thread.

are you referring to me? I was quoting what he was saying, not my words. and does =/= mean doesn't equal?

Yeah =/= means doesn't equal. TES Lore is not the same as real life vampire lore, so I'd far prefer actual TES lore sources.

"Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire" I was referring to the fact this lore exists only in real life and it was meant to be taken as it doesn't equal to being the same as TES

Hurbster

Well, no matter who loses. Nirn will be a better place.

WakeYourGhost

Lamae Bal

Something I don't think anyone has counted -
She doesn't seem to be bothered by Fire at all.
They nomads tried to Burn her. She walked out of it and ate them all in seconds. She didn't even have a scratch.

She is an immortal who regenerates with nearly flawless proficiency.

Manni is Not a God right now, and his presence as a God in TES lore is... Dubious.
He is only Rumored to be a "God" after the Warp in the West. A rumor spread by the Worm Cult.
It is also rumored that Mannimarco is a named that has been used by several Necromancers for effect - With no real sign of the true Man himself in ages.
Also, all the "God" seems able to do is turn Soul Gems in to Black Soul Gems through a ritual. A feat that has seemingly been possible since long before Mannimarco maybe ascended to godhood, maybe didn't.

He's a scheming failure with a fragile body and a flair for the dramatic.
Lamae is a probable immortal with unknowable powers who has been alive since well before Manni - And, if the Tribes of Vampires she made are anything to go by...
Selenu : Very High resistance to all Elements
Lyrezi : Ability to turn Invisible, Silence ability
Vraseth : Very high "Agility" - Like, dodge chance and stuff.
All members of these Clans she made could also see through Invisibility, immunity to poison and Disease, and very high stat bonuses.

Even roughly translating these abilities to ESO's system, assuming she did indeed have the powers she could selectively pass on to her "children", she would be far beyond what Mannimarco, King of Wormfood, could handle.

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Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Most Lamae supporters make a very weak case for her indeed. I openly acknowledge that Lamae is a very powerful pure-blooded vampire. I love vampires and I am reluctant to support Mannimarco (he's pretty cool too though).

However Lamae is "just" a vampire. Potent and cunning no doubt, but the only display of her power is her killing a couple of nomads. I think it's also important to remember that vampires where never described as god-like in TES lore, Mannimarco on the other hand...

The Necromancer was arguably the most gifted mage the psijic order has ever trained, in his later life he even killed Vanus, the only one to rival his power. Mannimarco was about to turn himself into a lich during his fight with the vestige (and would have killed him, thx for the save molag) but Molag Bal stopped the process. Mannimarco escaped his prison in coldharbour and continued to grow in strenght. He successfully transformed into a lich and even achieved divinity. The list goes on...

Lamae doesn't stand a chance against a god, I'm sorry.

exactly, being a psijic and one of the most powerful spellcasters in lore is no easy feat

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my reasoning is thus:

we do actually fight manimarco at points in TES and hes not actually that tough (at least I felt so) and one of the resons he is able to accomplish so much in ESO is actually because he has the backing of molag bal and his minions (we see this in game and quite clearly in the trailer) he is essentially just a very strong spell caster, that's not a bad thing and obviously has a lot going for it, but still.

as for Lamae, while we never fight her and only meet her in ESO we know this.

Harkon in skyrim was as close to a pure vampire that we could fight as we can get and I would argue that it was a pretty tough fight.

however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)

so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn.

her particular bloodline also has the benefits of being able to look pretty normal and suffer nearly no penalty for being in the sun at base strength as well.

"however unlike Harkon, Lamae has a unique ability no other vampire posses because she is the progenitor vampire, her strength multiplies many times over based on the amount of other vampires in the world. (as explained in ESO and TES lore)
so if you consider the fact that she has all the inherent strength of being the original vampire (stronger then Harkon by far) THEN multiply that continuously as more vampires are created, that create more, that create more, etc. I think its clear that she is far and away not only stronger then manimarco, but probably one of the strongest creatures on nirn."

Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire

Real life Vampire Lore =/= TES lore.

Please either quote your TES source for that or leave it out of the thread.

are you referring to me? I was quoting what he was saying, not my words. and does =/= mean doesn't equal?

Yeah =/= means doesn't equal. TES Lore is not the same as real life vampire lore, so I'd far prefer actual TES lore sources.

"Where can I find this evidence? only place i hear where the vampire gets stronger when her coven increases is real life vampire lore.I have yet to have heard of her coven size increasing the strength of her or any other vampire" I was referring to the fact this lore exists only in real life and it was meant to be taken as it doesn't equal to being the same as TES

Yep. Since its not actual TES vampire lore, I don't see where that idea has any bearing on a theoretical fight between two TES characters.