Recommend a 2h/Bow Stam dk build

Exodium

Hey guys I'm in the process of making a medium stamdk for pvp open world and I want to go against the snb/2h meta and try a Bow/2H setup instead.

I'm tossing up between these two options but don't have enough experience to know which would work so I'm calling on you stamdks out there to give me suggestions

Option 1
Asylum 2h
Master Bow
Bloodspawn
5 Bone pirate armour impen
3 agility

Concerns: I think I'd have great damage with decent sustain but I'm more worried about my mitigation open world. Do you think this would be enough?

Option 2
Asylum 2h
Master Bow
Bloodspawn
Medium impregnable armour all divines (weapon damage mundus)
3 agility

Concerns" I think my mitigation would basically be similar to heavy in this setup but then again my damage/sustain might be lacklustre...? I'm honestly not too sure

I'd appreciate any suggestions at this point. Please don't recommend heavy armour or sword and board cause I don't really want to do that playstyle.

Grimlok_S

With impreg I'd opt for a few well fitted traits.

What about shacklebreaker? Mag pool& sustain help your stam sustain. Lets you fossilize more, take the wrecking blow morph for bigger leaps.

Diddly_D_Potatoes

I'm not at all a stam dk expert, but i have previously seen suggested 5x impreg and 5x TBS. All all divine with the warrior and serpent munduses.

Ragnarock41

step 1: delete Dk
step 2: make stamblade
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profit.

On a more serious note you will EXLODE in medium, if you don't wear brass or impreg.

I guess one setup you could use is impreg-agility- master bow- asylum 2h.

but then you are gonna be lacking decent stamina-magicka regen, and your damage will be mediocre too.

So TL:DR; just make a stamblade, if you value your time.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

step 1: delete Dk
step 2: make stamblade
???
profit.

On a more serious note you will EXLODE in medium, if you don't wear brass or impreg.

I guess one setup you could use is impreg-agility- master bow- asylum 2h.

but then you are gonna be lacking decent stamina-magicka regen, and your damage will be mediocre too.

So TL:DR; just make a stamblade, if you value your time.

For real? I would've thought with dk passive from igneous and Hardened armour plus bloodspawn there would at least be some survivability with medium in bone pirate. I'm also argonian too if that matters.

Ragnarock41

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

step 1: delete Dk
step 2: make stamblade
???
profit.

On a more serious note you will EXLODE in medium, if you don't wear brass or impreg.

I guess one setup you could use is impreg-agility- master bow- asylum 2h.

but then you are gonna be lacking decent stamina-magicka regen, and your damage will be mediocre too.

So TL:DR; just make a stamblade, if you value your time.

For real? I would've thought with dk passive from igneous and Hardened armour plus bloodspawn there would at least be some survivability with medium in bone pirate. I'm also argonian too if that matters.

Well argonian makes a difference normally, yes.
But as a glass cannon build, I don't see argonian making a massive difference.
Potion passive gives you massive sustain, which is useless if you're gonna die in 10 seconds, you get my point right?

The extra hp and healing passives are gonna help a lot obviously, but thats not enough to count on.

With that low resistances, you just can't rely on healing alone, and you're not even gonna be blocking on this build so good luck lol.
One thing that will save your life is expedition pots. Use them, be mobile, kite people, dodge roll a lot. that is your only option.

Anyways, there are some one shot leap builds out there that you can try and are fun, and you can also try stuff like medium brass or impreg for a more optimal build . But really, set your expectations to the bare minimum when playing medium sDk.

After all, you're planning to play the worst toon in the game, with a non-meta+non optimal build on top of it.

You can find success, but you will have to play 2 or even 3 times better than an average stamblade to reach the same success.

Stratforge

I had some fun like a year ago on a medium tava's favor bow/2h stam dk build using the bow CC but it definitely didn't feel optimal and I think the standard bone pirate setup would for sure out-perform it.

Xsorus

Well you could be an *** like I am on my Stamina Sorc

I run 5 Impeg/5 Assassins Guile with Selene's

But i do 1 handed shield and dw

Ragnarock41

Stratforge wrote: »

I had some fun like a year ago on a medium tava's favor bow/2h stam dk build using the bow CC but it definitely didn't feel optimal and I think the standard bone pirate setup would for sure out-perform it.

Actually combining medium tava with impreg could be a fun build, tho I'm not sure how viable that would be.

HazelRose

I attempted morag tong and werewolf hide for bow/2h. It was pretty terrible. But I like the animations for the dk poison abilities so its fun to play occassionally.

Ragnarock41

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

If I was to do a snb/2h build I would just do armour master backbar and bone pirate with bloodspawn.

But yeah I wanted to know a bow setup

Ragnarock41

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

If I was to do a snb/2h build I would just do armour master backbar and bone pirate with bloodspawn.

But yeah I wanted to know a bow setup

tried that exact setup you mentioned, decided that I didnt really like it in the end, actually not a bad combo. Just lacks the damage you would expect from medium, but as tanky as heavy armor.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

If I was to do a snb/2h build I would just do armour master backbar and bone pirate with bloodspawn.

But yeah I wanted to know a bow setup

tried that exact setup you mentioned, decided that I didnt really like it in the end, actually not a bad combo. Just lacks the damage you would expect from medium, but as tanky as heavy armor.

yeah hence why if you're going to use snb/2h there's no point going medium cause you can do exactly the same thing with 7th and ww hide with more ult regen, and comparable dmg/sustain.

If Im doing a medium armour dk build it'll be bow/2h somehow!

Ragnarock41

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

If I was to do a snb/2h build I would just do armour master backbar and bone pirate with bloodspawn.

But yeah I wanted to know a bow setup

tried that exact setup you mentioned, decided that I didnt really like it in the end, actually not a bad combo. Just lacks the damage you would expect from medium, but as tanky as heavy armor.

yeah hence why if you're going to use snb/2h there's no point going medium cause you can do exactly the same thing with 7th and ww hide with more ult regen, and comparable dmg/sustain.

If Im doing a medium armour dk build it'll be bow/2h somehow!

That is not %100 true.

With medium SnB you will do absurd amounts of damage, and will still be able to block a bit in small scale situations.

And you can go for crazy high weapon damage in medium armor. You can very easily have over 5k weapon damage and have much higher uptime on that weapon damage compared to heavy armor.

Its not perfect, but for some niche builds medium is actually far better.

PS: again this all depends on the setup you use. for the bets min maxed builds obviously heavy armor is the way to go.

Hyzock

If you're gonna do cp pvp I'd go with option 2, but still run around 5 impen pieces. Because of the way crit resist works, it's really valuable to stack it until about 4.3k-4.4k crit resist. With all divines, impreg would give you no extra mitigation and it would be pointless to run it.

Subversus

^ listen to this guy, he's an actual good stamdk.

AverageJo3Gam3r

2H/bow is my favorite playstyle. SDK is my main. So every patch I try ten different setups to make it work then end up giving up in frustration and trying to pvp the next patch. The burst is great. Poison injection, draining shot, crit rush, leap is often enough to put folks into execute range. But in medium you might as well be wearing a paper bag. At the moment I'm trying 5x medium fortified brass. Still need to run it some more, but not impressed so far.

Ragnarock41

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

2H/bow is my favorite playstyle. SDK is my main. So every patch I try ten different setups to make it work then end up giving up in frustration and trying to pvp the next patch. The burst is great. Poison injection, draining shot, crit rush, leap is often enough to put folks into execute range. But in medium you might as well be wearing a paper bag. At the moment I'm trying 5x medium fortified brass. Still need to run it some more, but not impressed so far.

master's bow is a must with medium brass/impreg if you want a bow for sure. combined with a berserker glyph makes up for the lack of damage wearing brass creates. But I'm still not impressed with the damage of this setup. Because you can just try wearing alchemist back bar and reach numbers that are well above 30k on take flight, at that point, why use a bow?

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Ragnarock41 I use a master bow. I don't like alchemist because of the extended down time.

Ragnarock41

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Ragnarock41 I use a master bow. I don't like alchemist because of the extended down time.

fair point, Alchemist is not BiS or anything, but it is a hella lot of fun to use.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

2H/bow is my favorite playstyle. SDK is my main. So every patch I try ten different setups to make it work then end up giving up in frustration and trying to pvp the next patch. The burst is great. Poison injection, draining shot, crit rush, leap is often enough to put folks into execute range. But in medium you might as well be wearing a paper bag. At the moment I'm trying 5x medium fortified brass. Still need to run it some more, but not impressed so far.

master's bow is a must with medium brass/impreg if you want a bow for sure. combined with a berserker glyph makes up for the lack of damage wearing brass creates. But I'm still not impressed with the damage of this setup. Because you can just try wearing alchemist back bar and reach numbers that are well above 30k on take flight, at that point, why use a bow?

Yeah I've got a master bow too hence why I want to give it a shot but I've just decided to go meta and do ww hide/7th legion until medium armour gets some improvements.

Then I'll switch to 2h/bow

Thogard

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Let me save you a lot of headache-

Make sure you run a mag regen glyph to replace the lost mag from constitution passive

Ragnarock41

Thogard wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Let me save you a lot of headache-

Make sure you run a mag regen glyph to replace the lost mag from constitution passive

and how am I going to make up for the lack of damage/stam regen?

anyways, I gave it a shot today. managed to one shot a few light armor users with lucky alchemist leaps.

outside of those moments it just sucks.

I mean me and my stamsorc friend tried same setups, with the difference that I ran slimecraw, he ran troll king+heavy armor.

He had overall better tooltip numbers,despite the fact he did not have minor berserk or minor brutality.

So yeah, The only saving grace of medium Dk is the extreme high damage of take flight, but outside of that it is just garbage.

Grimlok_S

Thogard wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Let me save you a lot of headache-

Make sure you run a mag regen glyph to replace the lost mag from constitution passive

Or gold food, or jewels (the food)

Ragnarock41

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Let me save you a lot of headache-

Make sure you run a mag regen glyph to replace the lost mag from constitution passive

Or gold food, or jewels (the food)

to be honest I am not going to run gold food just to make some niche build work, if it was more affordable I would probably count on it, but as it stands I can just run that same gold food on heavy armor for much more easier magicka sustain.

Still, I always forget gold foods exist, I should probably note it somewhere lol.

Asardes

5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage 1/5/1 or 0/5/2 Maelstrom 1H+S back bar & Asylum or Maelstrom Back bar. Has about 4K weapon damage not considering glyphs, great sustain, and the resistances are not bad: 18K physical & 24K magicka on CP, and 3K more on the shield bar.

Grimlok_S

Asardes wrote: »

5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage 1/5/1 or 0/5/2 Maelstrom 1H+S back bar & Asylum or Maelstrom Back bar. Has about 4K weapon damage not considering glyphs, great sustain, and the resistances are not bad: 18K physical & 24K magicka on CP, and 3K more on the shield bar.

I hate sword and board on stamdk but I should try maelstrom. Still not what op asked for though.

Asardes

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage 1/5/1 or 0/5/2 Maelstrom 1H+S back bar & Asylum or Maelstrom Back bar. Has about 4K weapon damage not considering glyphs, great sustain, and the resistances are not bad: 18K physical & 24K magicka on CP, and 3K more on the shield bar.

I hate sword and board on stamdk but I should try maelstrom. Still not what op asked for though.

I do use Master bow back bar for open world instead of S&B, and it's quite effective. But for BGs and IC it's inadequate since you need to play more defensively there. Just like any build, there's no absolute "BiS".

Ragnarock41

Asardes wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

5 Bone Pirate 5 Hunding's Rage 1/5/1 or 0/5/2 Maelstrom 1H+S back bar & Asylum or Maelstrom Back bar. Has about 4K weapon damage not considering glyphs, great sustain, and the resistances are not bad: 18K physical & 24K magicka on CP, and 3K more on the shield bar.

I hate sword and board on stamdk but I should try maelstrom. Still not what op asked for though.

I do use Master bow back bar for open world instead of S&B, and it's quite effective. But for BGs and IC it's inadequate since you need to play more defensively there. Just like any build, there's no absolute "BiS".

both SnB and Bow has their advantages, but I find SnB to be a must have for my Dk builds. The survivability it provides is extremely vital to me, and bow mobility can be provided by just using an expedition pot. not to mention with SnB you can have 2x5 piece sets on top of having a full monster set+asylum 2h with no issues. It just opens up a lot of build possibilities.

On the other hand poison injection is an amazing dot that is also a potential execute and master bow only makes it better. So there is a choice to make,buuut most of the time SnB wins for me.

Hyzock

Thogard wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Despite my negativity I decided to give glass cannon stamDK a try. I will be running an SnB/2h medium armor build.

If it gets any success I will post it here so you can use it too.

Let me save you a lot of headache-

Make sure you run a mag regen glyph to replace the lost mag from constitution passive

You're doing something wrong if you can't sustain volatile armor and igneous spam with just battle roar. I'd understand if you run fossilize, but your base mag regen should be enough, even without tripots.