My attempt at Shadow Rider Senche Mount

Jimmy

125 Crown Crates opened.

No Shadow Rider Senche mount

2 Apex Frostbane Horses
1 Sweetroll
Various non-combat pets

EVerything else a lesser item.

Jimmy

Oh, and now I have 1,500 crown gems.

Beardimus

Dude, the PAWS / anti crate campaigners are gunna hate on you!

Ch4mpTW

I’m all for people spending their money however which way they choose... But, this is just crazy. And trust me, I understand the concept of buying crowns at a discounted price. I know and understand. Really I do. But, to then go and spend them on Crown Crates...? Really? You’re better than that. And you know you are.

Datolite

Hey I have a weird idea. Stop buying crates?

Seriously, you're the guy who goes into a casino and loses all his life savings and then yells at the staff. Gambling is for chumps.

Also for every crate you buy, they have another reason to lock cool items behind a gambling paywall, so the community thanks you.

Turelus

Clearly the answer is to buy more Crowns and open another 125.

That's terrible advice, don't do that!

WillhelmBlack

LOL awesome.

Jimmy

Just some statistical information for everyone to digest. The crown crate drop rates are just stupid low. Even for Apex mounts, not to mention radiant apex.

So, think before you spend. As you can see, it's not worth it.

Ch4mpTW

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Hey I have a weird idea. Stop buying crates?

Seriously, you're the guy who goes into a casino and loses all his life savings and then yells at the staff. Gambling is for chumps.

I wouldn’t go as far as to be insulting about it, but I will say that a certain amount of self-control is needed when presented with that of gambling. I’m all for people going to Atlantic City, and or Las Vegas. But, people need to understand when enough is enough. Yes, you get perks at some places (assuming you spend enough at their casino and hotel). But, you gotta eventually pause for a moment and ask yourself a few questions. You know?

And yes, I know that the same could be said about individuals who go out and buy thousands of dollars worth of clothing and or accessories. But, the difference is that it is something that is guaranteed. It isn’t a gamble. And often times than not, the quality and or history behind the product makes it worth it.

An example being Louis Vuitton. I view my purchases of their leather goods from the perspective of a collector. Plus, their quality is unrivaled in travel supplies and other accessories. Not to mention that when you buy something from LV, you’re actually buying a piece of art AND history. It’s not just something you buy, and then toss away. No. It’s something that you eventually pass down from generation to generation. And something that becomes a family treasure. Why do you think LV offers specialized servicing of your products, and comes in special dust bags and what not upon acquisition?

Jimmy

I set out to try and obtain the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. So I didn't have a specific stopping point. I bought 15 crown crates at a time. 8 packs of 15 crates later, I bought a 4 pack, then a 1 pack, then quit.

I really wanted that mount, more than any mount I've seen in ESO. So I went after it and ZOS won. They dangled the carrot, I ran in place after it.

I can see how this could potentially be detrimental to a person with a gambling problem. It's a very sinister system implemented.

Ch4mpTW

Jimmy wrote: »

I set out to try and obtain the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. So I didn't have a specific stopping point. I bought 15 crown crates at a time. 8 packs of 15 crates later, I bought a 4 pack, then a 1 pack, then quit.

I really wanted that mount, more than any mount I've seen in ESO. So I went after it and ZOS won. They dangled the carrot, I ran in place after it.

I can see how this could potentially be detrimental to a person with a gambling problem. It's a very sinister system implemented.

Awesome on you for stopping, man. In the end, you won. Not ZOS. You knew when enough was enough, and proceeded to exercise self-control. Good on you.

Datolite

Jimmy wrote: »

I set out to try and obtain the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. So I didn't have a specific stopping point. I bought 15 crown crates at a time. 8 packs of 15 crates later, I bought a 4 pack, then a 1 pack, then quit.

I really wanted that mount, more than any mount I've seen in ESO. So I went after it and ZOS won. They dangled the carrot, I ran in place after it.

I can see how this could potentially be detrimental to a person with a gambling problem. It's a very sinister system implemented.

You're right. And the fact that they keep doing this, and we keep buying them, is not gonig to change until there is a boycott.

Sorry if I was harsh but I just see WAY too many of these threads and I am more frustrated with ZOS than I am with the players. Like you said, it's hard not to go for that carrot.

Turelus

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Jimmy wrote: »

I set out to try and obtain the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. So I didn't have a specific stopping point. I bought 15 crown crates at a time. 8 packs of 15 crates later, I bought a 4 pack, then a 1 pack, then quit.

I really wanted that mount, more than any mount I've seen in ESO. So I went after it and ZOS won. They dangled the carrot, I ran in place after it.

I can see how this could potentially be detrimental to a person with a gambling problem. It's a very sinister system implemented.

You're right. And the fact that they keep doing this, and we keep buying them, is not gonig to change until there is a boycott.

Sorry if I was harsh but I just see WAY too many of these threads and I am more frustrated with ZOS than I am with the players. Like you said, it's hard not to go for that carrot.

The thing is a boycott is never going to happen in the numbers needed to make a difference.

Many gamers are used to or just don't care about these kinds of things, there are some who even actively defend it. Unless all the debating currently going on in the US actually gains tracking things won't change. Don't expect players to cause enough damage from non-participation to see this stopping.

Peekachu99

Jimmy wrote: »

125 Crown Crates opened.

No Shadow Rider Senche mount

2 Apex Frostbane Horses
1 Sweetroll
Various non-combat pets

EVerything else a lesser item.

Just RNG man. I spent $100 and got the lightning mount and thee other apex (normal ones are super bland this round).

LadyAstrum

I bought 4 crates with 1500 crowns from my monthly sub stipend. That's about as much as ZoS is getting out of me.

ANGEL_BtVS

Jimmy wrote: »

Just some statistical information for everyone to digest. The crown crate drop rates are just stupid low. Even for Apex mounts, not to mention radiant apex.

So, think before you spend. As you can see, it's not worth it.

Lenigrast concurs...

"You'll need souls to repair and improve equipment.
I know only of smithing, but souls have many other uses, as well.
Don't waste your souls on useless trinkets. Think before you spend."

AlienSlof

It always saddens me to read posts like the OP's. I would never tell someone what they should do - it's their money, not mine, but it does send to ZOS the very clear message that the crates are a money-making win. This ensures that they are here to stay and direct purchase items will be very secondary. They don't see that you didn't get the mount you wanted, they just see the $$$$££££ you spent for it.

Aurielle

Jimmy wrote: »

Just some statistical information for everyone to digest. The crown crate drop rates are just stupid low. Even for Apex mounts, not to mention radiant apex.

So, think before you spend. As you can see, it's not worth it.

Guessing you didn't see the thread written by the guy who spent thousands in an effort to get the Plague Husk horse, huh? (Spoiler: he didn't get it).

Sorry you wasted so much money for no reward... but you realize that this sort of post justifies the whole practice of RNG uber hard to obtain mounts from ZOS's number crunchers' perspectives, right? They made more money off you in 1-2 days than they'll make off most players in an entire year.

If we'd all stop spending thousands to get extremely rare mounts in video games, they wouldn't have any incentive to lock them behind the gamble and would actually have to sell them up front...

Just saying.

Jimmy

Aurielle wrote: »

Jimmy wrote: »

Just some statistical information for everyone to digest. The crown crate drop rates are just stupid low. Even for Apex mounts, not to mention radiant apex.

So, think before you spend. As you can see, it's not worth it.

Guessing you didn't see the thread written by the guy who spent thousands in an effort to get the Plague Husk horse, huh? (Spoiler: he didn't get it).

Sorry you wasted so much money for no reward... but you realize that this sort of post justifies the whole practice of RNG uber hard to obtain mounts from ZOS's number crunchers' perspectives, right? They made more money off you in 1-2 days than they'll make off most players in an entire year.

If we'd all stop spending thousands to get extremely rare mounts in video games, they wouldn't have any incentive to lock them behind the gamble and would actually have to sell them up front...

Just saying.

Well, you can add me to the list of people who learned there lesson and won't be spending tons of money going after mounts ONLY obtainable by RNG. At least Apex mounts are obtainable by Crown Gems. But Radiant Mounts are pretty much a pipe dream. I have 1,500 Crown Gems, I'd turn them all over for the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. They should really at least make Radiant Apex mounts obtainable by a very high amount of Crown Gems. At least that gives the gamblers a stopping point. Instead of endless gamling. There should at the very least be a stop, via Crown Gem purchase. Even if it is a 1,000 or 2,000 Gems.

Feanor

Everyone who spends knows what he is doing. With a little time invested you can find out the odds aren’t really good (Faunter has collected a lot of data with his addon). I for one would like to keep the freedom to decide if it’s worth the gamble for me or not.

JKorr

Jimmy wrote: »

I set out to try and obtain the Shadow Rider Senche Mount. So I didn't have a specific stopping point. I bought 15 crown crates at a time. 8 packs of 15 crates later, I bought a 4 pack, then a 1 pack, then quit.

I really wanted that mount, more than any mount I've seen in ESO. So I went after it and ZOS won. They dangled the carrot, I ran in place after it.

I can see how this could potentially be detrimental to a person with a gambling problem. It's a very sinister system implemented.

Sorry you didn't get it, but at least you decided to stop. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374682/the-tale-of-1000-crates-and-the-missing-plague-husk-horse/p1

Some people spent a thousand dollars to buy crowns for crates and didn't get the specific item they wanted. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365819/im-disappointed-zos-rare-mounts/p1

The only items you are 100% guaranteed to get in a crown crate are consumables. That is how the cya factor works; anyone who buys the crates is buying them for the consumables that are a better bargain when purchased in the crates. [Yes, everyone knows that no one uses the food/potions/poisons, but that is not the point; the selling point of the crates were the consumables.] While people allegedly buy the crates for the consumables, they have a chance of getting something else, a slight chance of getting something else that's better, a very, very slight chance of getting something else that is special, and now with the radiant apex rewards, a very, very, very, very, very infinitesimal chance of getting something superspecial.

Nemesis7884

i opened over 300 and didnt even get a normal apex mount...but 500 zombie skins and gold xp scrolls...and now abou 7000 gems LOL

oXI_Viper_IXo

Found this pic of OP

Syncronaut

15 crates in total here (free ones from before were junk of cose):

Seems like rare rewards only happen on 5th bonus card



I dont even like the stupid camel.

As for rest:
31x potions (or soul shard or poision or repair kit)
12x xp scrolls (major and minor)
6x facial items (costume or tiaras)
2x emote
1x memento
1x research scrolls (7 days)
4x duplicate

Well on lucky side, i didnt have to buy a research scroll.

Saturnana

Jimmy wrote: »

They should really at least make Radiant Apex mounts obtainable by a very high amount of Crown Gems. At least that gives the gamblers a stopping point. Instead of endless gamling. There should at the very least be a stop, via Crown Gem purchase. Even if it is a 1,000 or 2,000 Gems.

We should look for ways to cure the addiction, not make it less harmful.
(But yes, crate-only items are a nasty addition to an already scam-y system)

If crown crates weren't an incentive for ZOS to squeeze every last penny out of their player-base, I'd agree with you. (; But as it currently stands they're making insane amounts of money off a relatively small group of high-spenders, and this has steered them towards a business model where the average Joe with a smaller budget (or an aversion to gambling) is no longer able to access certain content. I.e. mounts that not only cost real money but have to be gambled for as well, and that cannot be obtained any other way.

The only real leverage we have as a player-base is to vote with our wallets and drain that money-flow, until they've got no other option than to look at different business models (i.e. adding more gem options, discontinuing the crates altogether, or something else entirely). A boycott like this will likely never happen as @Turelus mentioned, which is sad because discontinuing crates wouldn't necessarily need to hurt ZOS; I am fairly confident that selling the crate content in the crown store (separately and for set prices) would net ZOS waaaay more money in the end, but they don't seem interested in trying.

huntgod_ESO

I don't have a problem with them hiding rare cosmetics behind a crate, but I would like to see the safety currency (gems) usable to purchase everything, including Radiant mounts.

I burned through 60 crates (had a lot of coins left over from the last sale) but stopped after that. I honestly wanted the horse more than the wolf or cat. I got lucky with the flame crates and got a Radiant wolf, now I realize how lucky I was.

I'm not gonna chase those radiant mounts again, but I've purchased pretty much everything I want from the store, so really aside from a new house, there isn't much to spend crowns on for me.

I would love to see the radiant mounts purchasable for 800 gems.

Feanor

I am fairly confident that selling the crate content in the crown store (separately and for set prices) would net ZOS waaaay more money in the end, but they don't seem interested in trying.

@Insane

I’m not convinced that’s true. Just look at every item they release for normal sales on the crown store. There are tons of posts popping up that the pricing is outrageous and people are not going to buy it. Some of this had to do with quality of, let’s say, costumes of course. But ever since they cracked 2k crowns with as high as 4k for mounts people were raging. Thus for them crown crates are a win win.

Jimmy

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

I don't have a problem with them hiding rare cosmetics behind a crate, but I would like to see the safety currency (gems) usable to purchase everything, including Radiant mounts.

I burned through 60 crates (had a lot of coins left over from the last sale) but stopped after that. I honestly wanted the horse more than the wolf or cat. I got lucky with the flame crates and got a Radiant wolf, now I realize how lucky I was.

I'm not gonna chase those radiant mounts again, but I've purchased pretty much everything I want from the store, so really aside from a new house, there isn't much to spend crowns on for me.

I would love to see the radiant mounts purchasable for 800 gems.

I see that as a fair compromise. That being having the safety currency, gems, still able to buy radiant mounts. Even if it was 1,000 gems. 800 gems seems low considering the extreme rarity of the mount.

Anotherone773

It is interesting to see people apply their financial situation to someone else. For exampleOne person may be like " Spending $100 on crates is ridiculous!" But that $100 might have far more value to them than it does the person spending it. If the person criticizing makes $30k or even $50k a year, $100 is probably significant. But when you make well into six figures spending $100 is like spending $10 or $20. Personally, i dont bat an eye at spending $100. Its only excessive spending, when it affects your quality of life. For some people $20 a month might be excessive and for others that amount may be $1000 or more. Ive played with many people who spend over $1k a month on video games and it seems to have no observable impact on their quality of life.

Jimmy

Found this on another thread: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n1kdrywYmgjx290QwGJj9TT1Y8z4GfEMhvQ8kQnKL5g/edit#gid=0

A tracker of crown crates via an add-on.

So basically, you have a 17.75% chance to get a bonus 5th card.
THEN, after achieving the acquisition of a 5th card, you have a 0.52% chance of that 5th bonus card being a Radiant Apex mount.

Okay.... that did it for me. No more chasing these nearly impossible, money grab items ZOS clearly is taking advantage of their player base with. Despicable.

Anotherone773

21 crates in( 3 of which were free):
https://imgur.com/a/SuYqU
I also got the sabre cat cub and mastiff, a grand and major XP scroll, various costumes and markings(no skins). I was just wanting motifs, or gems to buy the motifs. I think if your try for a specific radiant apex mount your going to likely have to invest a lot of money, probably a good chunk just to get a radiant apex mount unless your really lucky.

Ive opened a total of 33 crates, Im done until the end of season probably.