Is dk viable for pvp?

Grimrale

Kalante

Yes very

yes

The_Brosteen

Yes very

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken. I know stam dks especially seem few and far between but much like stam sorcs they have very strong tools at their disposal that allows them to be effective, it just takes a little know how. Mag dks are great for basically any level of player. At bare minimum you can be effective by holding block, applying dots and wearing skoria. Great for the zerglings and 1vXers alike.

Tan9oSuccka

In the right hands, yes.

Unfortunately, you’ll run into many mag Templars that cleanse your class DOTs every second.

Leap is good.

Sixty5

Yes very

DK's have a lot going for them, and though they might not be the top dog right now, they are only one or two steps from being up there.

Dracane

Yes very

Very dominant (magicka DK) especially easy since there are many stage 4 vampires in pvp, it's like running around with a 100% uptime on major berserk.

Adeshal

Yes very

Dragonknight is still very good choice for PvP content, but it requires more skill than before. Heroic Slash (or other 50%+ snare) with Warmth passive from Ardent Flame tree gives you opportunity to put any negative effect on them or even let you cast channeling ability like Wrecking Blow. Next to Mass Hysteria, Fossilize is one of the best CC in the game (double CC). Problem is that after Major Mending/Shuffle (only with 5M parts)/Helping Hands/Battle Roar nerf DK requires much more "brain usage" than before. My opinion is mainly based on nonCP campaign, because I have not played on CP for a long time.

geonsocal

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken. I know stam dks especially seem few and far between but much like stam sorcs they have very strong tools at their disposal that allows them to be effective, it just takes a little know how. Mag dks are great for basically any level of player. At bare minimum you can be effective by holding block, applying dots and wearing skoria. Great for the zerglings and 1vXers alike.

my stam sorc causes me a good bit of grief from time to time - what are these "strong tools" which you speak of...

the only class abilities I ever slot are: summon atronoch, bound armaments, dark deal, hurricane and occasionally haunting curse (just for laughs)...

what else is good to work in to a rotation...

Sergykid

Almost just needs minor changes

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken

2h laughs in a corner

Grimrale

Sergykid wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken

2h laughs in a corner

Can you expand on your post a bit more?

The_Brosteen

Yes very

Grimrale wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken

2h laughs in a corner

Can you expand on your post a bit more?

2h has execute.

The_Brosteen

Yes very

geonsocal wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken. I know stam dks especially seem few and far between but much like stam sorcs they have very strong tools at their disposal that allows them to be effective, it just takes a little know how. Mag dks are great for basically any level of player. At bare minimum you can be effective by holding block, applying dots and wearing skoria. Great for the zerglings and 1vXers alike.

my stam sorc causes me a good bit of grief from time to time - what are these "strong tools" which you speak of...

the only class abilities I ever slot are: summon atronoch, bound armaments, dark deal, hurricane and occasionally haunting curse (just for laughs)...

what else is good to work in to a rotation...

mainly dark deal and implosion

with dark deal you can basically stack all damage and sustain well. if you dark deal a few times after you are cc'd you get massive amounts of stam back and its uninterruptible. same situation if you don't have cc immunity and someone interrupts your dark deal, after those 3 seconds you have immunity. the interrupt change was a lowkey buff for stam sorcs. not many seemed to notice. I have a feeling that might be part of the reason why immovable pots were nerfed- because popping immovable pot=uninterruptible dark deals.

Implosion is really strong if you use a dot build. I recently got master dual wield and 2h weapons and tbh it feels pretty broken sometimes.

ak_pvp

Almost just needs minor changes

StamDK isn't, MagDK is almost.

MagDK live changes are a bit situational and quite complex: Whip is dodgable, and has a 3 hard cooldown instead of a 5s soft CD, it always applies offbalance, can rarely be used 2x from a single cc and can stun. However in practice it has to be used from fossilize, else it'll be dodged. So the stun doesn't matter, and the second stun window is 1s, so easily missed.

Buffed if against less dodgable builds or more people (can use whip more frequently, and exploiter 10%), nerfed if against dodge builds. Nerfed if using a lighting staff build.

StamDK is a bit eh, it can be used in niche builds that light/ransack/bash and dot+debuff. It can also be used as a fury build vs multiple, but healing and damage are a bit below average, and it is the slowest stam class

ak_pvp

Almost just needs minor changes

Sixty5 wrote: »

DK's have a lot going for them, and though they might not be the top dog right now, they are only one or two steps from being up there.

The steps being sustain and non block defense/mobility. If that happens then DK can drop block and run more versatille builds, and in turn get more damage+mobility.

LeagueTroll

Yes very

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

In the right hands, yes.

Unfortunately, you’ll run into many mag Templars that cleanse your class DOTs every second.

Leap is good.

Oh yeah, expect I can’t kill most of the dk due to lack of dmg.

LeagueTroll

Yes very

geonsocal wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Dk is such a good class in pvp. If dks had a class execute they would probably be considered broken. I know stam dks especially seem few and far between but much like stam sorcs they have very strong tools at their disposal that allows them to be effective, it just takes a little know how. Mag dks are great for basically any level of player. At bare minimum you can be effective by holding block, applying dots and wearing skoria. Great for the zerglings and 1vXers alike.

my stam sorc causes me a good bit of grief from time to time - what are these "strong tools" which you speak of...

the only class abilities I ever slot are: summon atronoch, bound armaments, dark deal, hurricane and occasionally haunting curse (just for laughs)...

what else is good to work in to a rotation...

Yeah, not too sure about this, it is good at killing bad players and run away from zerg i guess.

DeadlyRecluse

Yes very

Viable does not equal optimal. Of course they're viable.

Kilandros

Almost just needs minor changes

Still needs some tweaks. Neither Stam nor Mag DK have a role in larger groups. Sustain is an issue for both in smaller groups. Damage is fine, just needs some tweaks so it doesn't feel like the poor man's Warden.

Hutch679

Yes very

If stam dk gets a poison whip .... woof.

sinxsader

Almost just needs minor changes

What's better in pvp stam dk or mag dk? I'm returning after a year and would really like to know...thanks!

Aedaryl

Yes very

Dk is perfectly viable yeah, people saying it's not viable need to l2p.

Dk is really strong in duel.
Dk are the best tank of the game.

Is dk competitive for solo openworld ? No.

Anything that isn't NB or stamina warden is not competitive.

Mag dk need a bit more sustain
Stam dk need a bit more damage

Amdar_Godkiller

Almost just needs minor changes

Mag DK is pretty good currently. Not best, but competitive and arguably top 4 of 10. On my stam warden, it's one of four classes that tend to be most frequently in my death recap (Stamblade, Magsorc and Magblade are the others).

Stam DK is currently worst of the lot, and the difference between them and say Stam Sorc, Magden or Magplar (the 3 that are currently slightly below average) is much wider than the difference between those 3 and the rest of the pack. You have access to great pvp skills that you just can't afford without compromising your build to the point of irrelevance. Now if the 5 second major mending shield followed by vigor and the ash cloud's burst heal are sufficient for self healing in Summerset, then they might be a few changes away from being middle of the road, but honestly, for a class with so few stam skills to be viable, they need great passives, and SDKs are worse than any other class but Stam Warden's.

TheMystid

Grimrale wrote: »

This poll is pointless. If you have to make a poll about dks, you have to distinguish between magicka and stamina dk.

Master_Kas

For solo PvP it's garbage. And by solo I don't mean ungrouped while being surrounded by allies but truly solo.

For small groups, big groups and zergsurfing it's good.

Still good/strong for duels I guess. Haven't really dueled in a while except when testning stuff with friends.

Edit: Magdk, haven't played stamdk enough to say.

Brrrofski

Almost just needs minor changes

Mag DK is pretty good.

Stam is... eh. The problem is lack of spammable. You won't connect dizzying often on a good player (never on a good stam nb) and ransack/la/bash isn't enough dps to kill anyone with a brain.

FloppyTouch

No needs major changes

And all the nb players jump in yes class is fine gg

ak_pvp

Almost just needs minor changes

Master_Kas wrote: »

For solo PvP it's garbage. And by solo I don't mean ungrouped while being surrounded by allies but truly solo.

For small groups, big groups and zergsurfing it's good.

Still good/strong for duels I guess. Haven't really dueled in a while except when testning stuff with friends.

Edit: Magdk, haven't played stamdk enough to say.

This. MagDK is an OK class. Its good in duels, fine in small groups with rootspam and the like. Limited support for big groups, but at least its better than most of the stams.

For true solo. Absolute hot garbage. Only "proper" defense, block, scales badly and is unsustainable, slow, snared asf. And bad sustain. (Mist helps snares, but is costly)

Toc de Malsvi

Yes very

Both setups are perfectly viable, just not necessarily competing for top spot. I still end up at the top of my BG score board most of the time on my DK.