32 Scale Caller crates, 0 mounts

Palidon

Why players waste money on the crown crates I will never understand and then when all they get is junk turn around and complain. No player is forced to buy the crates. To me its a big rip off anyways. Heck if you want to gamble you would get better odds in Vegas. But to each their own. It's your money so spend it the way you want.

Jayman1000

Baranthus wrote: »

Today must be an emo day. Because the game and everything hates me.

Seriously though, not a single mount? WTH is up with that??

You must buy more crates. Why don't you buy more crates? You some cheapskate or what? cheapskate, dont even wanna spend more money on more crates. Crates are greats, so buy them.

Oberick

ZOS has an algorithm that determines the price each person that has spent money on crown crates is willing to spend on crates and then makes sure to get the most money they can out of you sometimes giving you a "free" apex if they see your spending slowing down.

JasonSilverSpring

Oberick wrote: »

ZOS has an algorithm that determines the price each person that has spent money on crown crates is willing to spend on crates and then makes sure to get the most money they can out of you sometimes giving you a "free" apex if they see your spending slowing down.

Do you wear that tin foil hat in game? Was it a crown crate reward?

Banana

Spend real money elsewhere.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I bought 8, no mounts, costume, motifs, pets. All I got was poison and potion. They lower the drop rate?

Mattock_Romulus

Baranthus wrote: »

Today must be an emo day. Because the game and everything hates me.

Seriously though, not a single mount? WTH is up with that??

See, back in the day before people blew their cash on crates we could just buy the mount we wanted directly from the store.

However, thanks to people who keep buying these damn crates the costs of mounts has increased exponentially, I don't feel sorry for you.

Lylith

Glockcoma725 wrote: »

That sucks op. Pacrooti is a̶ ̶s̶l̶y̶ the devil

edited for accuracy.

Androconium

I solved this problem by not looking at the Crown Store anymore.

The mount I keep returning to is the Storm Atronach Camel. It's spit animation is just awesome.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

This is just like you get in a casino and complain the number you have been betting on didnt come out not even once. Crates is gambling, you know that. There is no one gold or better guarantee even if you buy 15.

AnviOfVai

I got 23 crates and did not get a mount either. I bought it with the gems I had left over from last time though. I also got one motif and bought another one with the gems. If you buy 15 crates you should at least get one mount drop. I was disappointed with my bundle of crates, however my fault on buying them. I did get the items I wanted but at a extravagant price.

Darkstorne

Oberick wrote: »

ZOS has an algorithm that determines the price each person that has spent money on crown crates is willing to spend on crates and then makes sure to get the most money they can out of you sometimes giving you a "free" apex if they see your spending slowing down.

Nonsense of course, but I love comments like this from a psychology perspective. I remember a friend in Lineage 2 (another MMO) who used to swear that his chances of successfully enchanting a weapon would increase if he made his character spin in a circle three times before attempting the enchant.

Looking for patterns is a big part of why humans were so successful as a species, but also leads to craziness like this (and conspiracy theories are another good example of it going over the top). It all works out though: Failing to notice that crops grow in seasonal cycles would be a big problem. Thinking that crops grow even better if you sacrifice a goat each spring to the sun doesn't affect much at all (unless you're asking for the goat's opinion). So being over-eager to look for patterns in life and creating them in our heads is just an ingrained part of human nature.

Thannazzar

Or a pagrooti stress doll with velcrod limbs you can tear off!

Including free crates (15 crates opened)

1 Frost Bear Mount
3 emotes
3 hats
2 body tattoos
1 costume
2 momentos
1 pet
1 decoration statue
150 gems worth of trash and duplicates (crafter is maxed so extracted 33gem xp scrolls and research items)

saruhrose1

Baranthus wrote: »

Today must be an emo day. Because the game and everything hates me.

Seriously though, not a single mount? WTH is up with that??

Me too!! I was about to just post a similar post. Loads of Xp scrolls. Numerous times I got things I already had. Disappointed. And I didn't even make it to 400 crown gems to buy a mount.

I got the bird emote thingy on the last one I bought with 400 crowns. I guess that was Zos' way of flipping me the bird.

Cortanacamo

In my opinion, if they removed the duplication of items- players actually might get decent (probably) items (hah pixels are exciting, gtbgfvs).

I feel bad for you though, and anyone else who has spent an excessive amount of money on these crates and have received 'trash'.

I bought the Flame Atronach crown crates once (15 bundle), I managed to get the Flame camel. One of my Australian guildmates bought more than a thousand AUD worth of crown crates and got jack for it (gotta love currency conversion).

Oberick

Darkstorne wrote: »

Oberick wrote: »

ZOS has an algorithm that determines the price each person that has spent money on crown crates is willing to spend on crates and then makes sure to get the most money they can out of you sometimes giving you a "free" apex if they see your spending slowing down.

Nonsense of course, but I love comments like this from a psychology perspective. I remember a friend in Lineage 2 (another MMO) who used to swear that his chances of successfully enchanting a weapon would increase if he made his character spin in a circle three times before attempting the enchant.

Looking for patterns is a big part of why humans were so successful as a species, but also leads to craziness like this (and conspiracy theories are another good example of it going over the top). It all works out though: Failing to notice that crops grow in seasonal cycles would be a big problem. Thinking that crops grow even better if you sacrifice a goat each spring to the sun doesn't affect much at all (unless you're asking for the goat's opinion). So being over-eager to look for patterns in life and creating them in our heads is just an ingrained part of human nature.

I was just joking around, with some people spending 1K + and not getting a radiant apex that shows they obviously don't do something like this but its not like its out of the realm of possibility. Hearthstone is one such game that tracks your purchases and results and guarantees you a legendary in X number of packs. The number of packs is set the same for everyone tho.

Mattock_Romulus

Darkstorne wrote: »

Oberick wrote: »

ZOS has an algorithm that determines the price each person that has spent money on crown crates is willing to spend on crates and then makes sure to get the most money they can out of you sometimes giving you a "free" apex if they see your spending slowing down.

Nonsense of course, but I love comments like this from a psychology perspective. I remember a friend in Lineage 2 (another MMO) who used to swear that his chances of successfully enchanting a weapon would increase if he made his character spin in a circle three times before attempting the enchant.

Looking for patterns is a big part of why humans were so successful as a species, but also leads to craziness like this (and conspiracy theories are another good example of it going over the top). It all works out though: Failing to notice that crops grow in seasonal cycles would be a big problem. Thinking that crops grow even better if you sacrifice a goat each spring to the sun doesn't affect much at all (unless you're asking for the goat's opinion). So being over-eager to look for patterns in life and creating them in our heads is just an ingrained part of human nature.

I've got a ritual I do to makes sure I'm never disappointed by crown crates and it works 100% of the time.

I see the crates.
Then i ignore the crates.
The crates have never disappointed me yet.

BloodWolfe

Stop buying and supporting the crates! If nobody bought crates then ZOS would have to abandon them and put all the stuff back onto the store. Crates were/are terrible but once they introduced the radiant apex mounts and not allowing them to be purchased with gems was crossing a line. EFF ZO$!

TheRealPotoroo

Cortanacamo wrote: »

In my opinion, if they removed the duplication of items- players actually might get decent (probably) items (hah pixels are exciting, gtbgfvs).

I feel bad for you though, and anyone else who has spent an excessive amount of money on these crates and have received 'trash'.

I bought the Flame Atronach crown crates once (15 bundle), I managed to get the Flame camel. One of my Australian guildmates bought more than a thousand AUD worth of crown crates and got jack for it (gotta love currency conversion).

Just for the record, that's around US$800. On crates. SMH.

OrdoHermetica

Androconium wrote: »

I solved this problem by not looking at the Crown Store anymore.

The mount I keep returning to is the Storm Atronach Camel. It's spit animation is just awesome.

Flame Atronach camel for me. Same reason. And also, camel jumping sounds are the best.

Bam_Bam

BloodWolfe wrote: »

Stop buying and supporting the crates! If nobody bought crates then ZOS would have to abandon them and put all the stuff back onto the store. Crates were/are terrible but once they introduced the radiant apex mounts and not allowing them to be purchased with gems was crossing a line. EFF ZO$!

People will always buy them. Sad but true. And ZoS know this. Its all about the money.

CuzImHarley

Excuse me I'm about to rage. TAKE AWAY THE STUPID CROWN CRATES! I had no problem paying for the monthly rare mounts, have almost al of them. But I don't have $100s of dollars to sink into "gambling" to try and get the apex mounts. They are just *** the loyal fan base, being greedy. I for one will not by a single more crate, period! I'm about to cancel my ESO plus that I've had since role out and be done with this money sink. I've bought $120 worth of crates every time new crates have come out and never gotten a single apex mount. Come on ZOS, just let me buy the mount and be done with it

Slick_007

Turelus wrote: »

Terrible math to show you how much one would in theory cost if you HAD to have one.
15x Crates is 5,000 Crowns.
5,500 Crowns is $49.00

For simple math (because I suck at it) let's say 15 crates is $50.

You would need approx 455 crates at a 0.22% drop change to get a single radient apex mount.
That would be approx 30 packs of 15 crates.
That's $1,500.

That's 1,500 for a CHANCE to have the mount, not even guaranteed.

this math is terrible and its wrong. especially the last line. the CHANCE costs you 400 crowns. because you can get it in the first crate.

Zhaedri

I was pretty lucky with these crates!

I got the 3 free crates, and 2 packs of 15 crates... After the crates went on sale I looked at and previewed a bunch of the stuff and liked most of it so got more than i usually do.

Of the free crates I got the great elk mount, and two head accessories - beaded skull chaplet and sacred rhombus circlet

From the 30 crates I opened I got a frostbane bear, dragon priest costume, magma scamp pet, a banner of peryite (turned into gems), a grand gold coast experience scroll (turned into gems), three major gold coast experience scrolls (turned into gems), necromantic sigil body tattoos, scalecaller frost shard momento, dragonbone body and face chain markings, emotes... come get some, flip the bird, i see you, kick the dirt, scalecaller rune of levitation, serpent scale body and face markings, star brow diadem, and tan morthal mastiff. A bunch of stuff in there I already had so got gems instead (like the vested interest banquet garb, the housecat, majestic dune rider ensemble, soiree in camlorn evening suit, and wayrest suede doublet ensemble). Also got a bunch of consumables I turned into gems. I started with less than 20 gems, and now have 423. I will probably get another box of 15 crates next payday. This is an unusually high amount for me as I like most of the offerings (above junk consumables) and want the items or gems to get the ones I want.

As to it being potentially weighted depending on how much you have historically spent in the game, I don't think that is happening. I have purchased quite a bit from the crown store as direct-purchase cosmetics (outfits, pets, mounts, hair, hats, etc etc), as well as a couple homes, DLC (even though I am ESO+), bundles, and account upgrades (character slots).

With the crates, sometimes I have good luck, sometimes not so good. I actually want stuff in the Legendary category more than the apex stuff. For me, it seems the drop rates have gotten better than they were, but that could just be the rng.

The major current annoyance I have is that Radiant Apex mounts/rewards are not purchaseable with gems (even like 2k gems) and also not previewable. Since I can't ooh and aah over looking at my character sit on the mount, I can't decide if it's worth even wanting.

Does this make me a whale? I don't know. ESO is my main source of entertainment... I don't watch TV or movies (in theatre or at home), and don't have expensive non-internet hobbies, so dropping money on crowns every other month or so doesn't really seem like a problem to me if I can afford the expense.

Shadowcub

I do and I don't understand the crate philosophy. My job literally revolves around marketing. I'm an adman, for simplicity's sake. From a short-term marketing standpoint, they're brilliant. Easy money, preying on weak-minded and/or deep-pocketed folk. From a long-term marketing standpoint, they're garbage—after all, you want your customers returning and RNG like this is a great way to drive them away. I, like most, out of curiosity, bought quite a few crates. Will I do it again? Nope.

I'm also a consumer. A very picky one, at that. I don't buy stuff often (I hate shopping), but when I do, I have no problem spending a crapton for something of quality that will last. Crates, to me, is the Walmart philosophy. You can buy a $10 Walmart Teflon-smothered skillet and replace it 5 times in 2 years... Or you can buy a $150 All-Clad stainless skillet and have it, literally, your entire life. What's the better buy?

Crates. These are even worse. You can spend $100 to try to get that cool, exclusive mount and there 'aint no guarantee. AND let's make this even more depressing: In all reality, that mount does... what? ... Looks cool... ... ... In a game... ... ... a game that will likely be totally irrelevant in 5-10 years. And chances are, in a month, you'll be bored of that cool-looking mount that does absolutely nothing but crap sparkles, because some other new cool-looking mount will be released for you to gamble on.

Cynical? Yup. Put that cool-looking mount for sale, and I'd probably buy it outright for $15-30. But to spend that $15-30 on a less than 1% chance? Nah, I'd rather go out and have a couple good craft beers with friends, buy a share in a stock (much better chances there) or set the money on fire, which would at least be warm for a bit.

DarcyMardin

I don’t get the whole crate gambling obsession thing. I’ve never bought one...never even been tempted. Maybe it’s a personality thing. I’d rather get my dopamine buzz from a dark chocolate truffle.

Eatmyface

I bought 60 on my main and got nothing... logged in next day on my level 25 and got 2 apex mounts out of 15.

Schwarzstahl

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Baranthus wrote: »

WTH is up with that??

RNG?

there's a reason why gambling commisions in a bunch of countrys are looking at this.
and that's fine and long overdue.

i myself pumped about 400€ in 4 weeks into this game for shiny stuff, but never bought a single loot box. and i actualy think everyone who buys this stuff deserves to get nothing.

JasonSilverSpring

Zhaedri wrote: »

I was pretty lucky with these crates!

I got the 3 free crates, and 2 packs of 15 crates... After the crates went on sale I looked at and previewed a bunch of the stuff and liked most of it so got more than i usually do.

Of the free crates I got the great elk mount, and two head accessories - beaded skull chaplet and sacred rhombus circlet

From the 30 crates I opened I got a frostbane bear, dragon priest costume, magma scamp pet, a banner of peryite (turned into gems), a grand gold coast experience scroll (turned into gems), three major gold coast experience scrolls (turned into gems), necromantic sigil body tattoos, scalecaller frost shard momento, dragonbone body and face chain markings, emotes... come get some, flip the bird, i see you, kick the dirt, scalecaller rune of levitation, serpent scale body and face markings, star brow diadem, and tan morthal mastiff. A bunch of stuff in there I already had so got gems instead (like the vested interest banquet garb, the housecat, majestic dune rider ensemble, soiree in camlorn evening suit, and wayrest suede doublet ensemble). Also got a bunch of consumables I turned into gems. I started with less than 20 gems, and now have 423. I will probably get another box of 15 crates next payday. This is an unusually high amount for me as I like most of the offerings (above junk consumables) and want the items or gems to get the ones I want.

As to it being potentially weighted depending on how much you have historically spent in the game, I don't think that is happening. I have purchased quite a bit from the crown store as direct-purchase cosmetics (outfits, pets, mounts, hair, hats, etc etc), as well as a couple homes, DLC (even though I am ESO+), bundles, and account upgrades (character slots).

With the crates, sometimes I have good luck, sometimes not so good. I actually want stuff in the Legendary category more than the apex stuff. For me, it seems the drop rates have gotten better than they were, but that could just be the rng.

The major current annoyance I have is that Radiant Apex mounts/rewards are not purchaseable with gems (even like 2k gems) and also not previewable. Since I can't ooh and aah over looking at my character sit on the mount, I can't decide if it's worth even wanting.

Does this make me a whale? I don't know. ESO is my main source of entertainment... I don't watch TV or movies (in theatre or at home), and don't have expensive non-internet hobbies, so dropping money on crowns every other month or so doesn't really seem like a problem to me if I can afford the expense.

Just a quick note that the radiant mounts can be previewed. Hover over the crates like you were going to buy one. There is an option to see contents (sorry, not at computer so I forget the exact wording). From there you can preview them.

Turelus

Slick_007 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Terrible math to show you how much one would in theory cost if you HAD to have one.
15x Crates is 5,000 Crowns.
5,500 Crowns is $49.00

For simple math (because I suck at it) let's say 15 crates is $50.

You would need approx 455 crates at a 0.22% drop change to get a single radient apex mount.
That would be approx 30 packs of 15 crates.
That's $1,500.

That's 1,500 for a CHANCE to have the mount, not even guaranteed.

this math is terrible and its wrong. especially the last line. the CHANCE costs you 400 crowns. because you can get it in the first crate.

This is why I said "Terrible math", I am not saying any of my figures are factual.
It's also math for statistically getting 100% chance (which doesn't work as we all know with random number generations)