A Short Clip of the Lethal Arrow Bug

Sanctum74

It's happening with many abilities, siege, and even from npc's. Invicible players, animations, and npc's. Skills not activating, random resource drains, no cc immunity or able to cc break, disconnects, blues screens, load screens just riding your horse, etc.

You think just maybe there's a connection here with data not being transferred properly to you still going the conspiracy theory route?

Waffennacht

@Sanctum74 to whom is your question addressed?

Domander

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Domander wrote: »

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Domander wrote: »

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Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

at 19 seconds you can see the first arrow listed on your death recap, there's also the little acid burn animation/sound.


....and yes, that is how wrath works, it procs when your health gets too low, like when a lethal arrow hits you and brings your health down below that threshhold.

there's a lot of bugs in this game, but in this instance I think it's just that you don't have a combat log to look at...

"When your health gets low"

Please try to actually use math like I have rather than you're ambiguous notions.

Wrath procs at exactly 3.7k. Final lethal arrow deals 3.367k DMG. That means exactly 7.4k working backwards this is a single GCD.

My health before I die is 9.2k tick 10.1k tick 0. There is exactly 3.7k health left. The second to last lethal arrow is 3.5 (rounding up) again not enough, meaning another lethal arrow is required.

3 GCDs are required, 3 animations (arrow travel time and arrow trail) that need to happen. This does not happen.

You are wrong @Domander

I forgot to add, I'm not purposely avoiding the "facts" that you bring up,.I am telling you what is happening and you are treating it like I insulted you personally.

The first lethal arrow on the death recap for 3197 hits at 19 seconds and you exploded about 5 seconds later, do that math.

Domander

Sanctum74 wrote: »

It's happening with many abilities, siege, and even from npc's. Invicible players, animations, and npc's. Skills not activating, random resource drains, no cc immunity or able to cc break, disconnects, blues screens, load screens just riding your horse, etc.

You think just maybe there's a connection here with data not being transferred properly to you still going the conspiracy theory route?

Yeah, there are so many bugs right now, it makes it even more difficult to know if something is lag/bug/etc.

Waffennacht

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

at 19 seconds you can see the first arrow listed on your death recap, there's also the little acid burn animation/sound.


....and yes, that is how wrath works, it procs when your health gets too low, like when a lethal arrow hits you and brings your health down below that threshhold.

there's a lot of bugs in this game, but in this instance I think it's just that you don't have a combat log to look at...

"When your health gets low"

Please try to actually use math like I have rather than you're ambiguous notions.

Wrath procs at exactly 3.7k. Final lethal arrow deals 3.367k DMG. That means exactly 7.4k working backwards this is a single GCD.

My health before I die is 9.2k tick 10.1k tick 0. There is exactly 3.7k health left. The second to last lethal arrow is 3.5 (rounding up) again not enough, meaning another lethal arrow is required.

3 GCDs are required, 3 animations (arrow travel time and arrow trail) that need to happen. This does not happen.

You are wrong @Domander

I forgot to add, I'm not purposely avoiding the "facts" that you bring up,.I am telling you what is happening and you are treating it like I insulted you personally.

The first lethal arrow on the death recap for 3197 hits at 19 seconds and you exploded about 5 seconds later, do that math.

Then, by your own sentence How is there no initial wrath damage after the first snipe and yet still have 5 seconds lapse when wrath only lasts 4 seconds?

Waffennacht

Simple fact is, this is not the only occurrence, many people have experienced the same thing. There are bugs in the system and this is an example of it.

Again I have provided concrete numbers while Someone else is arguing with me because of ... "around 5 seconds" have passed. I have done the math, have shown it. I will no longer waste time with someone whom refuses to use any numbers

Shadowmaster

This same thing will happen if you stand up top of Sej/Bleaks and try and target people below with a bunch of attacks. Most times they will go through, but every once in awhile they glitch out then your dude stands there spamming attacks all at once for 2-3 seconds.

Its desync, IMO. Same thing we've been complaining about since 2014.

Priyasekarssk

Subversus wrote: »

Smh...

L2p and listen to the soundcue

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

Edit - fine, I'll explain to you why you're wrong. Wrath goes off at 20%. That means wrath will kill me at approximately 3.6k health, now let's add an additional damage from a single lethal arrow to that amount. (I.e. the 20% + the ability that brought me within 20%) that means the threshold becomes approximately 6.5k-7k max.

My health went from 11k-0, that's missing approximately 4k+ damage, more than the value of a single lethal arrow. Meaning a minimum of 3 GCDs must pass - two abilities + ability that brings me into threshold.

My health did not decline over the course of 3 GCDs but 1 - without any lethal arrow animation. You're explanation is not logical and cannot be possible

Its cheat or exploit. Of course cheaters and exploiters won agree. They purposefully run behind lag. Make a bow build and do the same.

GreenhaloX

I'm not sure if it was or would be a cheat, exploit or a glitch, or perhaps, someone finding a good way to skillfully use the Lethal Arrows, but yeah, I got similar experience yesterday in PvP. During a group or zerg on zerg fighting, I saw a bow dude sniping folks, so, I engaged that dude. Gave him the barrage of Piercing Mark, couple Ambushs, a couple Surprise Attacks and was ready enough to knock him out with an Executioner, but, all of sudden, I was dead. My deathcap showed 4x Lethal Arrow hits by another toon registering all in the 6k each, with the 5th hit of a heavy attack. I didn't even see it coming or which way from. Also, generally, I would get hit by Lethal Arrows in the 3-4k ranges, but these packed a bit more heat. The aftermath was the two bow toons dancing over my dead toon.

I respawned at a nearby keep and raced back, as I was looking for a revenge. Well, the group fighting there was practically over, but I kept stalking hoping to run into these guys. I was wanting to take one or both, if I can out. I sure did ran into them again, but I was hit by Mage's Light, and not too much sooner, I started hearing the poison shots hitting me, but again, I couldn't see where the shots were coming from. I can see one of the bow toon in front of me blasting away with arrow shots, but not what a Lethal Arrow shot looks like. Again, I was dead moments later, with all registered Lethal Arrow shots in the 6k ranges. Also again with the aftermath of the same two bow dudes dancing and prancing over my dead toons.

Something is up or these guys have found a better or more effective way to ambush folks with Lethal Arrows and poison shots. I'll tell you, though.. I use bow and Lethal Arrow on one of my bar, and Lethal Arrows are good support. It is brutal when hit and can knock out peeps fairly effectively, but it is so slow as molasses to cast and can be easily avoided by roll/dodging out when you see it coming. Hell, with all the crapshoot going on in PvP, a lot of times, I'm pulling for the Lethal Arrows shot, but it misfires. I would pull, but, then, it just would reset. Same crap can happen two to three or more times over before it actually fires off. Other times, it seems like 2 to 3 seconds or more to cast off. Combat mechanics in PvP just have been so crappy for a while. Goodness, gracious..

IlCanis_LupuslI

@GreenhaloX only 6k??? lmao check the clip i posted earlier, any1 who needs more then 1 to gank with a bow is absolutly trash as a ganker im hitting way, way, harder then that.... Trust me if all bow gankers wouldnt be so trash there´d be a lot more complaints....-.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc it is a f****** broken skill to gank with FAKT

Bosov

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@GreenhaloX only 6k??? lmao check the clip i posted earlier, any1 who needs more then 1 to gank with a bow is absolutly trash as a ganker im hitting way, way, harder then that.... Trust me if all bow gankers wouldnt be so trash there´d be a lot more complaints....-.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc it is a f****** broken skill to gank with FAKT

You are like the worst thing in Cyro... you are that Stamina Nightblade(bosmer)-Flawless Conquerer(Grand Warlord)-Werwolf Veteran Player (your own tag) who snipes a outnumbered player while sitting in a group of 24. Plz delete game PLZPLZ thankzzz

IlCanis_LupuslI

Bosov wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@GreenhaloX only 6k??? lmao check the clip i posted earlier, any1 who needs more then 1 to gank with a bow is absolutly trash as a ganker im hitting way, way, harder then that.... Trust me if all bow gankers wouldnt be so trash there´d be a lot more complaints....-.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc it is a f****** broken skill to gank with FAKT

You are like the worst thing in Cyro... you are that Stamina Nightblade(bosmer)-Flawless Conquerer(Grand Warlord)-Werwolf Veteran Player (your own tag) who snipes a outnumbered player while sitting in a group of 24. Plz delete game PLZPLZ thankzzz

At least i dont need a 6 man farming team (like you ) 2 kill ***, ill return the delete game recommendation to you thx, even thou our last encounter was pretty hilerious :-D and as it says in the videos description it was for demonstrational purposes to highlite the brokenness of the ability ( L2Read) i usually prefer my WW(currently unplayable due to buggs)..
And incase you have problems counting.... It usually was me outnumbered while snacking people standing inside their farming zergs feeling safe XD.


So anyway, what needs to be changed=magelight only empowers magica abilities, not stamina abilities anymore; when any channeled abilities (crysstal frags, lethal arrow, etc) it pulls you out of cloak.
Give Lethal Arrow a visual cue like focussed aim as soon as the ability is casted.
reduce damage by 20% (20k+ hits are pretty disgusting tbh) but reduce the channel time to 0.9 sec.
#mysuggestions @ZOS_Wrobel

Waffennacht

Now now gents. There's already been enough fighting on this thread lol

DDuke

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Bosov wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@GreenhaloX only 6k??? lmao check the clip i posted earlier, any1 who needs more then 1 to gank with a bow is absolutly trash as a ganker im hitting way, way, harder then that.... Trust me if all bow gankers wouldnt be so trash there´d be a lot more complaints....-.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc it is a f****** broken skill to gank with FAKT

You are like the worst thing in Cyro... you are that Stamina Nightblade(bosmer)-Flawless Conquerer(Grand Warlord)-Werwolf Veteran Player (your own tag) who snipes a outnumbered player while sitting in a group of 24. Plz delete game PLZPLZ thankzzz

At least i dont need a 6 man farming team (like you ) 2 kill ***, ill return the delete game recommendation to you thx, even thou our last encounter was pretty hilerious :-D and as it says in the videos description it was for demonstrational purposes to highlite the brokenness of the ability ( L2Read) i usually prefer my WW(currently unplayable due to buggs)..
And incase you have problems counting.... It usually was me outnumbered while snacking people standing inside their farming zergs feeling safe XD.


So anyway, what needs to be changed=magelight only empowers magica abilities, not stamina abilities anymore; when any channeled abilities (crysstal frags, lethal arrow, etc) it pulls you out of cloak.
Give Lethal Arrow a visual cue like focussed aim as soon as the ability is casted.
reduce damage by 20% (20k+ hits are pretty disgusting tbh) but reduce the channel time to 0.9 sec.
#mysuggestions @ZOS_Wrobel

No offense, but the only thing your video proves is that your snipes can kill outnumbered players with bad builds & the reaction time of a rock.

For instance, Dark Flare magplars deal much more burst with Inner Light->Flare->Javelin than "classic" snipe builds & have a follow-up that can't be dodged. Both of those builds have around a 0,01% chance of ever killing a good player in 1v1 or 1vX.


And your "suggestions" would make it impossible even for the actual good snipe builds out there to kill equally skilled players - so no thanks.

IlCanis_LupuslI

@DDuke thats kind of the point of the video, thanks for saying that.
You literally dont need to be good in attack combos to kill with lethal arrow, thats why every1 does it.
You literally just pop a shot after empowering it and boom 2 shot for any1 in medium/light armor.
Thank you for prooving my point
You dont think 21k with 1 ability is totally op???? wow id hate to see what you think is Op. And btw i stand by my point.
And if you would have watched it fully, you would have seen that in the majority of the encounters you can comfortly kill people by yourself while they are standing in their zergs while risking literally nothing, 1-2 shotting them then mooving on to the next target. the range is totally exsessive.... ( est. 80%of the situations were on equal footing usually me stalking a zerg, the otheres were usually meinterfearing in 1vs1s or 2vs2s) So your saying all the players are trash who get ganked by that?????? Allow me to disagree to that, it is pretty easy to get even highly experienced players that way since the ability is so totally broken. I have infact prettty easily ganked someone with this op method who normally kites 10 people around.

DDuke

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@DDuke thats kind of the point of the video, thanks for saying that.
You literally dont need to be good in attack combos to kill with lethal arrow, thats why every1 does it.

Everyone? I'm not seeing any more archers around than other builds & the few I can find throw out 5-6k Lethal Arrows max (on my squishy 5 Well-Fitted bowblade).

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

You literally just pop a shot after empowering it and boom 2 shot for any1 in medium/light armor.
Thank you for prooving my point

Anyone who runs no impen, bad CP allocation, low health & doesn't react within 1 second after getting hit by first Lethal Arrow, yes (in the case of "classic" snipe builds).

The maximum Lethal Arrow hits on light/medium players with min-max'd defensive CPs & gear traits is around 13-14k crits on an Asylum build, sub 10k on "classic" snipe builds.

You have zero chance of ever killing these players in 1v1 or 1vX with your build.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

You dont think 21k with 1 ability is totally op???? wow id hate to see what you think is Op. And btw i stand by my point.

No I don't, knowing it only crits 20k+ on squishy players with bad CPs & no impen gear.

Here's Asylum build from previous patch with zero Hawk Eye stacks:
https://youtu.be/R63jwNgGvk4


In this patch I'm critting people for up to 30k with Lethal Arrows if they haven't built their characters properly. If they have, the maximum total burst is around 20k, meaning people with more health than that survive & I need Hawk Eye stacks, Ballista->combo to deal with them. Dodge roll spammers can of course become immune to all bow damage for as long as they feel like spamming that defensive mechanic.

I think Incap->Merciless instagibbing optimally built characters with 25k health from 100->0 is a lot more "op" than that for instance.

...and I think the actual meta rollerblade builds are still more broken than snipe builds.

IlCanis_LupuslI

@DDuke most of the people play it mindlessly with no decent damage sets (or heavy armor) on and STILL do decent damage with it which imo should NOT be the case. The most things you describe as broken are builds where you need to specifically set them up(either with a optimal combination---->incap, merciless, or the Asylum bow builds) and require a melee playstile.
Just spamming snipe you can comfortly stand 40m !!!!!!!!!!!away and still nuke most players in open world.
If you´re outnumbered you just comfortly stand far away, kill the most vounerable players then carrry on killing them, and due to the massive range they literally have no chance ever catching you.
Expecially the heal debuff, massivly cripples players even IF they survive the ganking attempt.
And ganking 1 target who doesnt expects it is the easiest thing in the world... Just spamm empowered snipes and boom--->free kill.
I really hope Zenimax finally realizes how broken this ability is and balances it out, either with a highly visible cue or by reducing its damage significantly; just as they did with the 2h-gank builds which plagued Cyrodiil a while ago.
And if more then 2 people just mindlessly spamm snipe against you ... Well good luck getting out of that if they set you up properly.

IlCanis_LupuslI

@DDuke and the reason why people rarely react is because due to the bad audio que of a lethal arrow incoming, or just simply ZOS´s laggy servers simply dont leave any time to react against it, im shure if those 2 problems were solved it would be a lot less broken(remember the time you could stack multiple snipes against 1 target??? )
And btw i have had 25k+ crits with 1!!! lethal arrow against players who must have had no crit resistance idk, the damage can soar massivly against players who are inexperienced.
Rollerblades... Well anoying at best irritating but easy to counter if you have any possibilities to cc them through their dodge roll(mag dks have a field day against those players, same with templars and sorcs)

GreenhaloX

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@GreenhaloX only 6k??? lmao check the clip i posted earlier, any1 who needs more then 1 to gank with a bow is absolutly trash as a ganker im hitting way, way, harder then that.... Trust me if all bow gankers wouldnt be so trash there´d be a lot more complaints....-.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc it is a f****** broken skill to gank with FAKT

That are some interesting killshots. Ha ha. Although, most of those kills are probably those with less resistance type builds or lower level, it does make for a interesting conversation spurt as I can see already developed. I don't have any special build or bow like Maelstrom or Master, but I am maxed CP and have allocated quite a bit into resistance (particularly poison) and other damaging perks/passives. Yeah, I have taken out quite a few toons with about 2 or 3 Lethal Arrow hits, but that is usually, again, against toons that were 500 CP or so or lower. At times, throwing it on others that are maxed or in the higher CP, it doesn't appear to pack as much heat.

Likewise, I have been hit by quite a few incoming Lethal Arrows from direct engagements or from some dude trying to gank me from stealth, but the damages have never registered into the 6k before, and I have been PvPing on and off for the past several years. I was just scratching my head a bit on how hell I was hit by multiple hard-hitting Lethal Arrows shots so fast. I never got killed that fast by anything or anyone like that until yesterday. Ha ha. Plus, knowing that how slow of casting a shot can be.

I'll tell you what, though. Something like that and what you are showing in your video are just causes of alarm for some peeps to cry out nerf; even though, I, myself, don't advocate any nerf. On the latter, it just doesn't seem normal to be able to take someone out in PvP with one or two shots, Lethal Arrows, or not. I believe in playing fair, video game or not; call it a self-proclaimed code of conduct or something. Yeah, it is easy to snipe lower level toon for an easy and quick death, but I don't bother, unless I'm being attacked. However, there are plenty of folks who doesn't care who they go after for a win.

IlCanis_LupuslI

@DDuke but on 1 thing I agree.... Incap needs a rework, (maby take away the CC or something).

DDuke

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

@DDuke most of the people play it mindlessly with no decent damage sets (or heavy armor) on and STILL do decent damage with it which imo should NOT be the case. The most things you describe as broken are builds where you need to specifically set them up(either with a optimal combination---->incap, merciless, or the Asylum bow builds) and require a melee playstile.
Just spamming snipe you can comfortly stand 40m !!!!!!!!!!!away and still nuke most players in open world.

If that were accurate, we'd see a lot more Bow 1vX montages & streamers using Bow as a weapon. Fact is, there isn't consistency to those builds because most players do not die to 40m+ snipe spamming because you not only need to find a bad player to kill anyone with that, but also a bad player with low health. Many of them run 30k+ health tank builds that don't die to the burst of two Lethal Arrows (assuming they're so bad they fail to react at all to the 2nd one).

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

If you´re outnumbered you just comfortly stand far away, kill the most vounerable players then carrry on killing them, and due to the massive range they literally have no chance ever catching you.

Yeah, unless there's a NB with Piercing Mark or a sorc that can just streak up to you in few seconds. I'm getting a lot of kills on these snipers you're describing just by dodging their snipe, cloaking & marking them & then one shotting them with a snipe of my own. No problems getting to Asylum Snipe range with speed pot up 24/7.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Expecially the heal debuff, massivly cripples players even IF they survive the ganking attempt.
And ganking 1 target who doesnt expects it is the easiest thing in the world... Just spamm empowered snipes and boom--->free kill.

Sure, but then again killing one bad player is the easiest thing in the world pretty much regardless of what build you're playing. The challenge comes in killing multiple bad players, or a good player. This is something the "classic" snipe builds struggle with.

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

I really hope Zenimax finally realizes how broken this ability is and balances it out, either with a highly visible cue or by reducing its damage significantly; just as they did with the 2h-gank builds which plagued Cyrodiil a while ago.
And if more then 2 people just mindlessly spamm snipe against you ... Well good luck getting out of that if they set you up properly.

Yeah, they need to fix the desyncs & visual cues not showing up with Snipe (and Overload light attacks, Wrecking Blow etc), but there's nothing else wrong with Snipe - it's the only burst bow builds have and still not enough to kill good players without setting them up with Ballista, Relentless Focus etc.

What they could do is swap its place with Rapid Fire though, make it a strong ultimate & give bow a proper (not so bursty) spammable.

rfennell_ESO

I see more bs from the current crop of steel tornado spammers than I do from lethal arrow.

That's bs in this particularly "complain about bs" vein, mind you.

Killset

Subversus wrote: »

Smh...

L2p and listen to the soundcue

Man... I wish I could hear it even a quarter of the time lol.

Man... I wish I could hear it even a quarter of the time lol.