A Short Clip of the Lethal Arrow Bug

Waffennacht

This is what people are seeing with Lethal Arrow.

After going through the video slowly I see that the player casting Lethal Arrow is doing nothing but casting Lethal Arrow in a normal way. There is no weaving (out of range anyway) no dodge roll, no block, just sitting there casting the ability. The full animation is there too, just like normal. The only thing not normal is that there is no arrow animation on my screen, and there are no damage tick numbers on my screen.

After the player casts Lethal Arrow they just disappear into the void until I explode.

This gives me the very strong impression this is just a bug and not an exploit. I have not experienced this consistently from the same player in any BG match.

https://youtu.be/tHafrKojsa8

Skander

It's well known that in stealth, people can "stack" lethal arrows as bug, so they all hit at once.

It's also a bug that before the arrow actually hits you, you get stunned from a Stealth attack. Which leaves you no time to defend from the lethal arrow.

Becouse this game thinks first to mounts then gameplay

Most_Awesome

Ummm you can clearly hear the first snipe at 03:45 second at 04:56 third 05:58 and the last at 13:15 it's clear you have been carried by Miats all this time!

Waffennacht

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Ummm you can clearly hear the first snipe at 03:45 second at 04:56 third 05:58 and the last at 13:15 it's clear you have been carried by Miats all this time!

Lol.

I love how my health bar goes: 9.2k, 10.5k, 0 - death recap Lethal Arrow x4 Endless.

I don't think it's suppose to work that way lol

Skander wrote: »

It's well known that in stealth, people can "stack" lethal arrows as bug, so they all hit at once.

It's also a bug that before the arrow actually hits you, you get stunned from a Stealth attack. Which leaves you no time to defend from the lethal arrow.

Becouse this game thinks first to mounts then gameplay

The thing about this, you can clearly see the Bow user in the back not in stealth at all. Just casting.

On console I'm fairly confident it's just a bug with lethal arrow

Lylith

i've seen it lag out and hit with no sound at all, inside a keep corner tower.

obviously targeted outside, but no sound, just dropped dead well inside the tower.

without the recap, i'd have had no idea what killed me.

Derra

This bug exists ever since they changed the flight arc and traveltime of the original snipe ability.

I would not expect it to ever get fixed.

I´ll just wait until some well known gankblades pop in here and tell you how you need to l2p and listen to the soundcue

Brutusmax1mus

Lol my and my buddy were wrecking some people yesterday when he suddenly popped. While taking no damage from the players we were fighting. He sent me a recap of 5 lethal arrows, from 2 ppl.

They got me *i knew i should have roll dodged but didn't* around a rock i was waiting begind for about 5 seconds for the people chasing so i could kill them too. Seriously sat los for a while before resources get zapped and then i died 2 seconds later. Really needs a fix. Wont happen though.

IlCanis_LupuslI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aK6UNc7Obpc
L2p
Jokes aside, that ability needs to be seriously reworked, as demonstrated in the video

Feanor

The game cues just work so unreliable in some situations. That’s were Miat’s really helped, and where it had legitimate use. I never used the notifications but I can understand everyone who was tired of glitches like the video shows.

Killset

That’s so common place in open world PvP I just laugh when it happens to me (acceptance). I’m at least 6 months removed from the wanting to throw my controller through the TV stage (anger). 6 months before that I was like wait, what just happened, that can’t be right, did my game lag out (denial).

montiferus

Killset wrote: »

That’s so common place in open world PvP I just laugh when it happens to me (acceptance). I’m at least 6 months removed from the wanting to throw my controller through the TV stage (anger). 6 months before that I was like wait, what just happened, that can’t be right, did my game lag out (denial).

I am somewhere in between the acceptance phase and the rage phase. I am starting to transition more toward the acceptance phase though. In the current incarnation of Cyrodiil on Xbox you will get hit with 3-5 of these before you can even react. My buddy and I were 2vXing the other day and we got snipe spammed by 2 different NBs.

The situation is what it is at this point. ZOS will never fix it and as long as there is an opportunity for bad players to use an easy skill like this we might as well just accept it. The more I play this game the more I try to accept the stupidity and enjoy those rare moments where you get a good fight that you earned through skill. Probably only happens once a night now but it is enough to keep me coming back.

Subversus

Smh...

L2p and listen to the soundcue

SugaComa

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Ummm you can clearly hear the first snipe at 03:45 second at 04:56 third 05:58 and the last at 13:15 it's clear you have been carried by Miats all this time!

Miats isn't available on console ...

Mayrael

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Koensol

Mayrael wrote: »

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Agreed. Snipe is just a *** ability in and of itself. You can be fighting 2 or 3 guys and survive just fine. Then you suddenly drop to the floor, thinking WTF WAS THAT? Open death recap --> Snipe, Snipe, Snipe. Nothing infuriates me as much as this. That is why I make sure that when I see a snipe spammer in BG, I will hunt them down like a bloodhound every time I see them. They usually die in one cc + burst combo anyway. This snipe bug just makes them that much more annoying.

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO

As a Sniper,

One sec I'll just find my Flame resistant jacket,

I empathize with people's hate of Snipe, the problem is it does great damage, usually I can get 2 off before my target has any clue and usually by then they've taken a heavy loss of Health. Add to that game lag, add to that background noise and confusion if in a battle and I can get 3 off and a poison injection before someone can react, this happens a lot.

But if it was overly nerfed then as an archer build I just wouldn't do enough damage, especially with how tanky so many builds are these days, so I'd just end up being another stabby NB who opens with bow.

I guess they could add a fair cool down to Snipe to stop it being spammable but as an Archer we're always going to get hate due to killing from range no matter what the Death Recap shows

Waffennacht

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

As a Sniper,

One sec I'll just find my Flame resistant jacket,

I empathize with people's hate of Snipe, the problem is it does great damage, usually I can get 2 off before my target has any clue and usually by then they've taken a heavy loss of Health. Add to that game lag, add to that background noise and confusion if in a battle and I can get 3 off and a poison injection before someone can react, this happens a lot.

But if it was overly nerfed then as an archer build I just wouldn't do enough damage, especially with how tanky so many builds are these days, so I'd just end up being another stabby NB who opens with bow.

I guess they could add a fair cool down to Snipe to stop it being spammable but as an Archer we're always going to get hate due to killing from range no matter what the Death Recap shows

It's just bugged, the ability is fine, it's not supposed to be invisible tho

Subversus

Koensol wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Agreed. Snipe is just a *** ability in and of itself. You can be fighting 2 or 3 guys and survive just fine. Then you suddenly drop to the floor, thinking WTF WAS THAT? Open death recap --> Snipe, Snipe, Snipe. Nothing infuriates me as much as this. That is why I make sure that when I see a snipe spammer in BG, I will hunt them down like a bloodhound every time I see them. They usually die in one cc + burst combo anyway. This snipe bug just makes them that much more annoying.

You haven't meet a dark flare > dark flare > soul assault/Jesus beam spammer yet. I hate those so much it's absurd.

Koensol

Subversus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Agreed. Snipe is just a *** ability in and of itself. You can be fighting 2 or 3 guys and survive just fine. Then you suddenly drop to the floor, thinking WTF WAS THAT? Open death recap --> Snipe, Snipe, Snipe. Nothing infuriates me as much as this. That is why I make sure that when I see a snipe spammer in BG, I will hunt them down like a bloodhound every time I see them. They usually die in one cc + burst combo anyway. This snipe bug just makes them that much more annoying.

You haven't meet a dark flare > dark flare > soul assault/Jesus beam spammer yet. I hate those so much it's absurd.

Lol, I have actually. They come in packs sometimes.

Derra

Subversus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Agreed. Snipe is just a *** ability in and of itself. You can be fighting 2 or 3 guys and survive just fine. Then you suddenly drop to the floor, thinking WTF WAS THAT? Open death recap --> Snipe, Snipe, Snipe. Nothing infuriates me as much as this. That is why I make sure that when I see a snipe spammer in BG, I will hunt them down like a bloodhound every time I see them. They usually die in one cc + burst combo anyway. This snipe bug just makes them that much more annoying.

You haven't meet a dark flare > dark flare > soul assault/Jesus beam spammer yet. I hate those so much it's absurd.

Contrary to snipe, darkflares audiocue works flawlessly and on top of that is priorized over every other sound for the target.

Subversus

Derra wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

One of the most anoying bugs out there. When I see snipe spamer I always roll just in case, then push him so he can't spam it anymore. Whole another story when you get suckersniped when actualy really fighting with someone else.

Agreed. Snipe is just a *** ability in and of itself. You can be fighting 2 or 3 guys and survive just fine. Then you suddenly drop to the floor, thinking WTF WAS THAT? Open death recap --> Snipe, Snipe, Snipe. Nothing infuriates me as much as this. That is why I make sure that when I see a snipe spammer in BG, I will hunt them down like a bloodhound every time I see them. They usually die in one cc + burst combo anyway. This snipe bug just makes them that much more annoying.

You haven't meet a dark flare > dark flare > soul assault/Jesus beam spammer yet. I hate those so much it's absurd.

Contrary to snipe, darkflares audiocue works flawlessly and on top of that is priorized over every other sound for the target.

I usually have Spotify blasting through my headset when in cyro though... if I die to a snipe I die cba to take this game too seriously anymore hahahaha. The days of raging and *** measuring are long past me.

SugaComa

Dark flare and snipe maybe similar but they're also vastly different ... Audio qué is also.ost defending on dark flare you can't miss hearing it

You can see the dam thing from space and its range is minimal that once you start casting a good player will crit rush n but you on the back bar quickly ... Snipe on the other hand ... You just see your health bar go from full to dead and only death recap lets you know you got sniped and poison injected

Domander

looked like one lethal arrow brought you below the sorc execute and that is what got you, didn't see anything buggy in the video.

Gilvoth

it is Not just snipe,
this is happening with all other weapons, all of them.
axe, 2 hander Mace sword, daggers
all weapons not just snipe.

Waffennacht

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

Domander

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

Waffennacht

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

Domander

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Waffennacht

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

Edit - fine, I'll explain to you why you're wrong. Wrath goes off at 20%. That means wrath will kill me at approximately 3.6k health, now let's add an additional damage from a single lethal arrow to that amount. (I.e. the 20% + the ability that brought me within 20%) that means the threshold becomes approximately 6.5k-7k max.

My health went from 11k-0, that's missing approximately 4k+ damage, more than the value of a single lethal arrow. Meaning a minimum of 3 GCDs must pass - two abilities + ability that brings me into threshold.

My health did not decline over the course of 3 GCDs but 1 - without any lethal arrow animation. You're explanation is not logical and cannot be possible

Domander

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

at 19 seconds you can see the first arrow listed on your death recap, there's also the little acid burn animation/sound.


....and yes, that is how wrath works, it procs when your health gets too low, like when a lethal arrow hits you and brings your health down below that threshhold.

there's a lot of bugs in this game, but in this instance I think it's just that you don't have a combat log to look at...

Waffennacht

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Domander the death recap is 4 Snipes and the wrath, you can watch the player cast snipe 4 times.

There is no animation, and the damage from all 4 happens at once.

It's very clearly bugged

Edit: or watch the health bar from 10k to 0 in an instant, then recap of the Snipes each dealing less than 4k. If it was not bugged my life bar would have decreased in 4k increments, which clearly did not happen

First lethal arrow hit at 19 seconds.

@domander you mean A NON ANIMATED SNIPE hit me at 19 sec, but guess what? My health went up to above 11k at 23 sec (above that at 19 sec) and then immediately 0 at 24. Death recap shows x4 Lethal Arrow and Wrath...

How do you suppose my health went from 11K TO 0 IN ONE GCD FROM AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME, TRAVEL TIME AND ANIMATION???

that's NOT how it's supposed to work

The wrath is what killed you, not the lethal arrow, it's also why it looked like you insta died from multiple attacks, because you did, that's the way wrath works.

Smh. No, that's not how wrath works. That's not how lethal arrow works.

Are you purposely avoiding every fact I bring up?

Answer me this right now:

Where is the lethal arrow animation?

at 19 seconds you can see the first arrow listed on your death recap, there's also the little acid burn animation/sound.


....and yes, that is how wrath works, it procs when your health gets too low, like when a lethal arrow hits you and brings your health down below that threshhold.

there's a lot of bugs in this game, but in this instance I think it's just that you don't have a combat log to look at...

"When your health gets low"

Please try to actually use math like I have rather than you're ambiguous notions.

Wrath procs at exactly 3.7k. Final lethal arrow deals 3.367k DMG. That means exactly 7.4k working backwards this is a single GCD.

My health before I die is 9.2k tick 10.1k tick 0. There is exactly 3.7k health left. The second to last lethal arrow is 3.5 (rounding up) again not enough, meaning another lethal arrow is required.

3 GCDs are required, 3 animations (arrow travel time and arrow trail) that need to happen. This does not happen.

You are wrong @Domander