Is this an exploit

Gilvoth

jcaceresw wrote: »

I always get sniped like that everytime I go to Cyrodiil. I always wondered how it was possible. This also happens with double hand weapons too.

i knew i wasn't alone, and i'm not making it up.
it is cheating and people are doing it now for years.
just recently people are starting to talk about it but this has been going on for a very long time.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4913349#Comment_4913349

Tan9oSuccka

[quote="Rain of lethal arrows. Mostly 4 or 3 in 1 second and insta death. Common in PC. Its there for very long time, surfaced again. I think its an exploit or cheat. Many players are experienced the same thing in PVP. When I see that in death recap, I usually quit PVP. No fun in playing with cheaters. [/quote]

I think it’s animation canceling snipe, plus lag and travel time.

I don’t think it’s cheating per se. But I do think some players have god awful internet (intentionally or not) that exacerbates the issue.

Priyasekarssk

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

[quote="Rain of lethal arrows. Mostly 4 or 3 in 1 second and insta death. Common in PC. Its there for very long time, surfaced again. I think its an exploit or cheat. Many players are experienced the same thing in PVP. When I see that in death recap, I usually quit PVP. No fun in playing with cheaters.

I think it’s animation canceling snipe, plus lag and travel time.

I don’t think it’s cheating per se. But I do think some players have god awful internet (intentionally or not) that exacerbates the issue.
[/quote]

If you think its not a cheat then its an exploit , can you post how to do animation cancelling with snipe ? That is 4 snipe in 1 second. A small demo vidoe is sufficient without using cheats ? With skill like reverse slice, dawn breaker , of course you can do.
Anyways its cheating . Dont defend cheaters unless you yourself use to cheat. You need channel time of 1 second and cannot be instant even with animation cancelling. Lag time of 4 seconds ? There is difference between channel ability and instant ability. Certain ability can be animation cancelled , but cannot be instant.

Ch4mpTW

ZOS better get a handle on this quick, and OP you best be taking down those videos ASAP. You could get a warning and or ban for naming and shaming. I kid you not.

As for why ZOS needs to get a handle on this, think of the devestation it can cause. The last time this bug existed, tons of people abused it to farm dungeons and trials. And it confused tf out of me, as I was seeing the most crappy of players running around with stuff that was far outside of their reach. This was before carry runs were a thing on console, and it was discovered that they were “Snipe Stacking” to 1-shot Bosses.

Tan9oSuccka

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Priyasekarssk

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Sorry for asking this. Everyone know animation cancelling . Channeled abilities cannot be instant and spammed . Pros often combine with an instant skill to make burst damage. They cannot by pass cast time Example skills like sub assault, most Heavy attacks, upper cut , soul assault, snipe .. etc cannot be spammed unless you cheat or exploit.
Please post any video or tutorial , who can do it in eso in legal way. You can do at most max of 2 not 4 , that too because of lag.

MaxwellC

@itzTJ
Nah its travel time B.S in Lagrodill; Happens to me frequently and it's pretty damn frustrating. I will be fighting someone then out of nowhere they stop attacking me as my health drops and my stamina bar/magicka bar tanks and then I'm dead.

The reason is because (my assumption) the arrows technically already hit and the damage was calculated and since you didn't dodge the ability that is mid travel and from stealth, it then registers all the hits and connected thus killing you.

All in all I hate this ability as well as snipe because it doesn't register properly.

Priyasekarssk

MaxwellC wrote: »

@itzTJ
Nah its travel time B.S in Lagrodill; Happens to me frequently and it's pretty damn frustrating. I will be fighting someone then out of nowhere they stop attacking me as my health drops and my stamina bar/magicka bar tanks and then I'm dead.

The reason is because (my assumption) the arrows technically already hit and the damage was calculated and since you didn't dodge the ability that is mid travel and from stealth, it then registers all the hits and connected thus killing you.

All in all I hate this ability as well as snipe because it doesn't register properly.

Please post a tutorial or video how to make 4 snipes in a row in 1 second and bypass 1 second cast time. I want to learn it . Even its an exploit you can do 2 not 4. Is it not ? I had experience with 4 lethal arrow hits in 1 second from same person.

Tan9oSuccka

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Sorry for asking this. Everyone know animation cancelling . Channeled abilities cannot be instant and spammed . Pros often combine with an instant skill to make burst damage. They cannot by pass cast time Example skills like sub assault, most Heavy attacks, upper cut , soul assault, snipe .. etc cannot be spammed unless you cheat.
Please post any video or tutorial , who can do it in eso in legal way.

Draw back for he snipe animation let it fly, light attack into another one.

It cuts down the animation time and lets you send another one that hits while the stun is in effect. Send a third one shorten Chanel time with poison injection.

It’s especially effective in long distances. Again, the projectile travel time.

I’ve yet to see a rapid fire snipe spammer.

Not new, or a troll. Be more careful accusing others of hacks and cheats.

Rianai

Those snipes are not actually landing at the same time or within 1 second. A combat log addon will show one snipe after another with 1s between each hit. It is an issue of the game not displaying those snipes properly. Missing or delayed sound and animation, often but not always paired with health desync, has been an issue with snipe for ages and it is causing many players deaths. I don't know if it can exploited intentionally or not, but i think it can happen accidentionally. If not, then pretty much every single sniper out there would be an exploiter ...

Priyasekarssk

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Sorry for asking this. Everyone know animation cancelling . Channeled abilities cannot be instant and spammed . Pros often combine with an instant skill to make burst damage. They cannot by pass cast time Example skills like sub assault, most Heavy attacks, upper cut , soul assault, snipe .. etc cannot be spammed unless you cheat.
Please post any video or tutorial , who can do it in eso in legal way.

Draw back for he snipe animation let it fly, light attack into another one.

It cuts down the animation time and lets you send another one that hits while the stun is in effect. Send a third one shorten Chanel time with poison injection.

It’s especially effective in long distances. Again, the projectile travel time.

I’ve yet to see a rapid fire snipe spammer.

Not new, or a troll. Be more careful accusing others of hacks and cheats.

All I asked for is a demo or tutorial spamming an ability which requires cast time of 1 second or more by passing cast time in a legal way. Landing 4 in a row in 1 second. I love to spam casting abilities with templar . lt. Even if it can be done now its still an exploit.

Tan9oSuccka

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Sorry for asking this. Everyone know animation cancelling . Channeled abilities cannot be instant and spammed . Pros often combine with an instant skill to make burst damage. They cannot by pass cast time Example skills like sub assault, most Heavy attacks, upper cut , soul assault, snipe .. etc cannot be spammed unless you cheat.
Please post any video or tutorial , who can do it in eso in legal way.

Draw back for he snipe animation let it fly, light attack into another one.

It cuts down the animation time and lets you send another one that hits while the stun is in effect. Send a third one shorten Chanel time with poison injection.

It’s especially effective in long distances. Again, the projectile travel time.

I’ve yet to see a rapid fire snipe spammer.

Not new, or a troll. Be more careful accusing others of hacks and cheats.

All I asked for is a demo or tutorial spamming an ability which requires cast time of 1 second or more by passing cast time in a legal way. Landing 4 in a row in 1 second. Even if it can be done its still an exploit.

As others have said already. It’s projectile travel time, plus lag.

You ask for a video from one side trying to create the issue, but your problem is how it’s registered on your end which will be different.

This issue is noticeable in keep sieges. Snipe can travel around 30 meters to target. It’s not an instant hit.

Priyasekarssk

Rianai wrote: »

Those snipes are not actually landing at the same time or within 1 second. A combat log addon will show one snipe after another with 1s between each hit. It is an issue of the game not displaying those snipes properly. Missing or delayed sound and animation, often but not always paired with health desync, has been an issue with snipe for ages and it is causing many players deaths. I don't know if it can exploited intentionally or not, but i think it can happen accidentionally. If not, then pretty much every single sniper out there would be an exploiter ...

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Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Animation canceling is not a cheat or exploit though.

Is it pretty cheap, try hard/yolo swag and cheesy? Absolutely.

I’m personally not a fan of those that do it in PvP and I don’t care at all in PVE.

Sorry for asking this. Everyone know animation cancelling . Channeled abilities cannot be instant and spammed . Pros often combine with an instant skill to make burst damage. They cannot by pass cast time Example skills like sub assault, most Heavy attacks, upper cut , soul assault, snipe .. etc cannot be spammed unless you cheat.
Please post any video or tutorial , who can do it in eso in legal way.

Draw back for he snipe animation let it fly, light attack into another one.

It cuts down the animation time and lets you send another one that hits while the stun is in effect. Send a third one shorten Chanel time with poison injection.

It’s especially effective in long distances. Again, the projectile travel time.

I’ve yet to see a rapid fire snipe spammer.

Not new, or a troll. Be more careful accusing others of hacks and cheats.

All I asked for is a demo or tutorial spamming an ability which requires cast time of 1 second or more by passing cast time in a legal way. Landing 4 in a row in 1 second. Even if it can be done its still an exploit.

As others have said already. It’s projectile travel time, plus lag.

You ask for a video from one side trying to create the issue, but your problem is how it’s registered on your end which will be different.

This issue is noticeable in keep sieges. Snipe can travel around 30 meters to target. It’s not an instant hit.

Sieges or magicka abilities doesn't have this issue as of now. Now snipe spam been used frequently in PVP.PVE who cares ? Whether its cheat or exploit , it will drive people out of PVP. If its a bug it has to be fixed.

SaintSubwayy

gepe87 wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

Question about Death Recap, it does not show the time frame in which the damages took place. You have no idea if they were fired at the same time or if they have the proper timing but are just the last five damages done.

ZOS could add a timing to recaps. If addons can why an official update couldn't?

they'd probably break the Recap, so no ty xD

And you said it, addons can, so the OP maybe had cvertain Combataddons running when it happened, (and saved those logs)^^

badmojo

Did you guys watch the video? The red numbers left of his character were the damage numbers from the snipes landing, you can literally see them all pop off in very quick succession. You can also see only two arrows coming down at him, while 4 damage numbers show up. That visual along with the death recap makes me think there is more to this than simply lag or health bar desync. Also, why can you not hear 4 snipes being fired? Lag or not, those 4 sounds should be audible before the damage lands.

VaranisArano

badmojo wrote: »

Did you guys watch the video? The red numbers left of his character were the damage numbers from the snipes landing, you can literally see them all pop off in very quick succession. You can also see only two arrows coming down at him, while 4 damage numbers show up. That visual along with the death recap makes me think there is more to this than simply lag or health bar desync. Also, why can you not hear 4 snipes being fired? Lag or not, those 4 sounds should be audible before the damage lands.

There is a current known bug with Snipe's audio not playing all the time - ZOS says they're looking into it.

eso_lags

Well this escalated. SO I see that zos removed the videos. I am trying to re post the first one since they removed them because it showed people how to do the glitch, however that was only the 2nd video. The first one showed it happening to me. Make no mistake, this is a glitch. I just want to know if its an exploit and if they're banning people for it. Obv not a perma ban but maybe a day or something so at least they know.

And they removed a video from when vet ranks were still in the game. Thats how long this has been happening. And even long before then. The video and what happend to me were identical. It was not lag. It was NOT a desync. It was someone using a glitch to hold MULTIPLE snipes and have them all go off at once. I saw them coming. The problem is when someone uses this glitch it insta kills you. Freezes you and your resource pools. You cannot counter it even if you see 4 snipes headed your way all at once.

Trust me i know what it is to have someone SPAM snipe at you. 2 MAYBE (and i mean maybe) 3 can hit you at once. But not 4. Not 5. Hopefully the person from zos who removed my clips can confirm if this is or is not an EXPLOIT, not if it is or isnt a glitch because i know it is.

eso_lags

badmojo wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

The audio is the biggest indicator that this isn't working as intended. In the video you only hear ONE thwack of the bow, and then 4 arrows can be heard hitting.

It does seem like the snipes from stealth can not be heard, and the one you do hear in the video was the 4th(or 5th) snipe because the first one had hit and pulled the caster from stealth. So from what I see, they aren't landing 4 snipes at the same time, it's just that by the time the first snipe hits without warning, there are 3-4 more in the air about to hit.

Edit: After playing around in-game I don't see how anyone could land that many snipes in such a short amount of time, with only 1 audio cue.

If you watched the 2nd video (before it was removed) you would have seen that it is possible and easy. I dont know if people do it the same way but i will say that people were glitching snipe with camo hunter and emotes. 2 ways to do it and im sure theres more. I will not say how they did it with camo hunter/emotes, but ive seen it done. I posted the second video of it being done to show its what happened to me. But ya you're right they cant land that many without a glitch.

eso_lags

MaxwellC wrote: »

@itzTJ
Nah its travel time B.S in Lagrodill; Happens to me frequently and it's pretty damn frustrating. I will be fighting someone then out of nowhere they stop attacking me as my health drops and my stamina bar/magicka bar tanks and then I'm dead.

The reason is because (my assumption) the arrows technically already hit and the damage was calculated and since you didn't dodge the ability that is mid travel and from stealth, it then registers all the hits and connected thus killing you.

All in all I hate this ability as well as snipe because it doesn't register properly.

I see what you're saying. I have expirienced this. But i have to disagree. Only because i know what you mean. Like i said a couple posts ago that might happen with 2-maybe 3 snipes. But not more than 3. No way. And its too similar to how the snipe glitches work. you can find them on youtube.

eso_lags

OH and let me ask everyone a question here. IF you saw the video (if you didnt ill explain)... WHY did the player not come out of stealth until the last snipe hit? For those of you who think this wasnt an exploit and he was just spamming snipe, why didnt he come out of stealth after the first snipe? If the snipe registered on his screen (which it would have had to) then it would have pulled him right out of stealth. Then hed go back in to fire again. MAYBE 2 can hit before you get pulled out of stealth but no more.

Where he was sitting in stealth was on my screen the entire time. If he sniped and (if he was a nightblade) cloaked i would have seen him for a split second one of the times. No. All 4 snipes hit and pulled him out of stealth all at once. If my health was 30k it would have been 5 snipes. 40k, 7 snipes. Etc. Etc. There is no limit. In the second video (if you saw it) a guy ONE SHOTS a world boss in rifen using a snipe glitch.. Nomeg mel, or something, is the boss' name. Big frost atronach.. Same idea. Hold in a bunch of snipes and 1 shot almost anything.

Gilvoth

zenimax, please don't delete this thread.

VaranisArano

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

zenimax, please don't delete this thread.

Make sure the thread isn't breaking forum rules i.e no naming and shaming ( one reason why the videos were probably removed); showing or demonstrating how to abuse a glitch (why the OP says his videos were removed); and we're all being civil and on topic...

And ZOS should have no reason to close the thread.

Apache_Kid

itzTJ wrote: »

OH and let me ask everyone a question here. IF you saw the video (if you didnt ill explain)... WHY did the player not come out of stealth until the last snipe hit? For those of you who think this wasnt an exploit and he was just spamming snipe, why didnt he come out of stealth after the first snipe? If the snipe registered on his screen (which it would have had to) then it would have pulled him right out of stealth. Then hed go back in to fire again. MAYBE 2 can hit before you get pulled out of stealth but no more.

Where he was sitting in stealth was on my screen the entire time. If he sniped and (if he was a nightblade) cloaked i would have seen him for a split second one of the times. No. All 4 snipes hit and pulled him out of stealth all at once. If my health was 30k it would have been 5 snipes. 40k, 7 snipes. Etc. Etc. There is no limit. In the second video (if you saw it) a guy ONE SHOTS a world boss in rifen using a snipe glitch.. Nomeg mel, or something, is the boss' name. Big frost atronach.. Same idea. Hold in a bunch of snipes and 1 shot almost anything.

He was out of stealth most-likely. It was just that we couldn't see it on time because of lag/server delay.

I've died plenty of times to this and I have experienced this death of multiple snipes at once. I have also killed people with it. It is not an exploit. I can't choose to do it. Snipe is a skill i would like to not keep on my bar as i need the spot for other things but I need to keep it on for when the battles get really laggy and I can't land any other skills effectively. Sometimes, I will notice that when I am being a potato and spamming it on one player, they are not reacting as the first 1-3 snipes hit and then they just die. They didn't try to mitigate damage by blocking, healing, roll-dodging, or anything. This leads me bevel that it is a pure lag/server delay issue. I'm not even trying to animation cancel or "hold in my snipes and let them all go at once" because it's not possible. I understand your frustration as I hate when I die from it too but as someone who has killed people with it I promise you I'm not doing anything other than spamming the B button which is what snipe is assigned to for me.

ESOFanBoyz

itzTJ wrote: »

There is no limit. In the second video (if you saw it) a guy ONE SHOTS a world boss in rifen using a snipe glitch.. Nomeg mel, or something, is the boss' name. Big frost atronach.. Same idea. Hold in a bunch of snipes and 1 shot almost anything.

You need to take a second and re-watch the 2nd video you keep referencing because what you think you saw and what the video shows are very different.

It's a 3 year old video and it was an issue with Camouflaged Hunter stacking with itself, not with multiple abilities firing in seconds. I remember when this was a thing and it was fixed years ago. It is NOT the same thing at all. The description of the video even explains what he is showing and it explains why he sits there and casts Camouflaged Hunter 30 times in a row.

I am not saying there isn't an exploit with Snipe where some people have figured out a way to have 5 or more hit within seconds. However all this thread shows is people thinking it's happening without a single person being able to actually show how it's done. If it's real, someone show us a video of them doing it, not a video of them thinking it happened to them.

eso_lags

ESOFanBoyz wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

There is no limit. In the second video (if you saw it) a guy ONE SHOTS a world boss in rifen using a snipe glitch.. Nomeg mel, or something, is the boss' name. Big frost atronach.. Same idea. Hold in a bunch of snipes and 1 shot almost anything.

You need to take a second and re-watch the 2nd video you keep referencing because what you think you saw and what the video shows are very different.

It's a 3 year old video and it was an issue with Camouflaged Hunter stacking with itself, not with multiple abilities firing in seconds. I remember when this was a thing and it was fixed years ago. It is NOT the same thing at all. The description of the video even explains what he is showing and it explains why he sits there and casts Camouflaged Hunter 30 times in a row.

I am not saying there isn't an exploit with Snipe where some people have figured out a way to have 5 or more hit within seconds. However all this thread shows is people thinking it's happening without a single person being able to actually show how it's done. If it's real, someone show us a video of them doing it, not a video of them thinking it happened to them.

Irrelevant. Thats how it was done in the past. It was also done using emotes in the past. People have ALWAYS been able to do this. And it ALWAYS happens in a similar fashion. Thats all the second video was there to show. I said it myself, i know its from a long time ago.

eso_lags

Apache_Kid wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

OH and let me ask everyone a question here. IF you saw the video (if you didnt ill explain)... WHY did the player not come out of stealth until the last snipe hit? For those of you who think this wasnt an exploit and he was just spamming snipe, why didnt he come out of stealth after the first snipe? If the snipe registered on his screen (which it would have had to) then it would have pulled him right out of stealth. Then hed go back in to fire again. MAYBE 2 can hit before you get pulled out of stealth but no more.

Where he was sitting in stealth was on my screen the entire time. If he sniped and (if he was a nightblade) cloaked i would have seen him for a split second one of the times. No. All 4 snipes hit and pulled him out of stealth all at once. If my health was 30k it would have been 5 snipes. 40k, 7 snipes. Etc. Etc. There is no limit. In the second video (if you saw it) a guy ONE SHOTS a world boss in rifen using a snipe glitch.. Nomeg mel, or something, is the boss' name. Big frost atronach.. Same idea. Hold in a bunch of snipes and 1 shot almost anything.

He was out of stealth most-likely. It was just that we couldn't see it on time because of lag/server delay.

I've died plenty of times to this and I have experienced this death of multiple snipes at once. I have also killed people with it. It is not an exploit. I can't choose to do it. Snipe is a skill i would like to not keep on my bar as i need the spot for other things but I need to keep it on for when the battles get really laggy and I can't land any other skills effectively. Sometimes, I will notice that when I am being a potato and spamming it on one player, they are not reacting as the first 1-3 snipes hit and then they just die. They didn't try to mitigate damage by blocking, healing, roll-dodging, or anything. This leads me bevel that it is a pure lag/server delay issue. I'm not even trying to animation cancel or "hold in my snipes and let them all go at once" because it's not possible. I understand your frustration as I hate when I die from it too but as someone who has killed people with it I promise you I'm not doing anything other than spamming the B button which is what snipe is assigned to for me.

No. Again im sorry but i have had EP players who dont like me do this glitch to me on many different occasions. I am talking the same players doing it to me multiple times in one day while other players just sniping like normal. Like i said, 2 MAYBE 3 times, it might be a lag issue but nooooo way for 4+ times.

And if i were to start name dropping i bet plenty of AD/DC players would know the people im talking about on xbox NA, but obv i wont... A few EP players have been doing this for a long time. Since around morrowind and been doing it over and over daily. Lately i pvp less so i dont notice it much anymore but it still happens.. But when the same people try daily to do it to you its quite obvious.