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Is this an exploit

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I am looking for a concrete answer. In the past people just guess but i would like to figure it out and, if it is, have something done about it. And if its not i then i can start doing it myself to the people who use it.

But IMO this cant be acceptable. This is not lag, trust me this game lags constantly. I was having plenty of issues bar swapping in this first video, at one point i tired to swap and cast hurricane but ended up hitting rally 3 times. No, i think this is an exploit. I think its the same one thats been going on forever. Years.

Anyway, if this is an exploit, can some people start getting banned for this? I mean FFS zos banned players for glitching the asylum sancotrium boss for the skin. I mean PERMA ban with no appeals for a cosmetic item and a random weapon.. Yet people can run around insta killing people in cyrodil, with a glitch, and as far as i can see there has never been bans for it. Correct me if i am wrong, please, and to be honest i just dont know. All i do know is i see the same people doing this same thing over and over.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is this an exploit? And if so can someone finally do something about it? this happens to me at least 5 times a day if i pvp. There is no counter to this. From what i see its an exploit of either camo hunter or the other exploits with the emotes. Or who knows, maybe its a new one.

It takes place in last 20 seconds of the 1st video, and the 2nd video is just someone showing a glitch. looks oddly similar..

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Edited by ZOS_Mika on March 7, 2018 9:36PM
  • Morgul667
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    Is it the fact that all arrows apply at the same time ? Could be lag
  • wolfxspice
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    i miss camo hunter, but yah, from what i understand snipe stacking is a exploit, it used to happen a lot, thought they fixed it, but now its been happening again recently, soo i guess they broke something.
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  • Thannazzar
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    AS Permaban wasn't for exploiting, was for advertising and selling exploit runs.
  • Grimm13
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    Question about Death Recap, it does not show the time frame in which the damages took place. You have no idea if they were fired at the same time or if they have the proper timing but are just the last five damages done.
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  • gepe87
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    Grimm13 wrote: »
    Question about Death Recap, it does not show the time frame in which the damages took place. You have no idea if they were fired at the same time or if they have the proper timing but are just the last five damages done.

    ZOS could add a timing to recaps. If addons can why an official update couldn't?
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  • Unfadingsilence
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    Lag and bad fps nothing new there
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    Thannazzar wrote: »
    AS Permaban wasn't for exploiting, was for advertising and selling exploit runs.

    That's just a load of nonsense cause

    1) People who recorded themselves showing the exploit and posting on youtube who were reported are still playing right now as we speak

    2) People who exploited it but didn't record it/advertise about it were perma banned

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    Happened to me too - twice - from the same person.

    So yes, it does look like the snipe-stacking exploit is back - and certain people are intentionally exploiting it.
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  • RobbieRocket
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    Whatever it is, it is commonplace. Most of my group get it daily.

    It certainly feels wrong because you are rewarded for good combat and then suddenly fall over without understanding what changed.

    Whether it is an exploit, glitch, lag or something else, it should be looked at.
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    Grimm13 wrote: »
    Question about Death Recap, it does not show the time frame in which the damages took place. You have no idea if they were fired at the same time or if they have the proper timing but are just the last five damages done.

    Yep, but in the first video you clearly see that all the killing damage comes in less than one sec, and there is no legit way to spam four lethal arrow in one sec. This said, it's not clear if it's actually some exploit or if it's just lag (four snipes casted in five secs or so which land all together).
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    Happens on console too, the people I've seen do not seem to be doing it intentionally.
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  • josiahva
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    Its funny when they try this against someone with wings up though. With as zergy as Cyrodiil is though, its a constant rain of lethal arrows anyway.
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    I think there is something wrong with snipe. Before the dlc patch you would get an audio and visual cue when an attack from snipe was incoming from stealth. For some reason this doesn’t work or doesn’t work correctly now. What I have experienced is that the person using snipe will do one from stealth which you can’t see or hear, followed by another snipe.

    What happens is you get stunned from the first one then hit with the second one. But you will only hear and see the second snipe. The people who are on a nightblade will combine this attack with cloak. So you will get hit with four snipes two of which you cannot see or hear. I don’t know if it’s a bug or zos intends for snipe to work this way now.
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    is also happening with Heavy Attacks of all weapons.
    i open the death cap and it shows all heavy attacks hit me, but i only saw and heard 1 hit.
    and i know for a fact it was not lagg, i was not lagging and it was only that person and me there when it happened.
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    Snipe stacking? How?
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    umagon wrote: »
    I think there is something wrong with snipe. Before the dlc patch you would get an audio and visual cue when an attack from snipe was incoming from stealth. For some reason this doesn’t work or doesn’t work correctly now. What I have experienced is that the person using snipe will do one from stealth which you can’t see or hear, followed by another snipe.

    What happens is you get stunned from the first one then hit with the second one. But you will only hear and see the second snipe. The people who are on a nightblade will combine this attack with cloak. So you will get hit with four snipes two of which you cannot see or hear. I don’t know if it’s a bug or zos intends for snipe to work this way now.

    There's another thread talking about the missing Snipe audio cue and ZOS said they're looking into it.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/397418/snipe-audio-queue-not-working
    Edited by VaranisArano on March 7, 2018 10:34PM
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    Its obv not lag, you can see Zooty coming in from the right at 51s and 4 lethal arrows all land within 1s, you can pause/play to see their trajectory.
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    itzTJ wrote: »
    I am looking for a concrete answer. In the past people just guess but i would like to figure it out and, if it is, have something done about it. And if its not i then i can start doing it myself to the people who use it.

    But IMO this cant be acceptable. This is not lag, trust me this game lags constantly. I was having plenty of issues bar swapping in this first video, at one point i tired to swap and cast hurricane but ended up hitting rally 3 times. No, i think this is an exploit. I think its the same one thats been going on forever. Years.

    Anyway, if this is an exploit, can some people start getting banned for this? I mean FFS zos banned players for glitching the asylum sancotrium boss for the skin. I mean PERMA ban with no appeals for a cosmetic item and a random weapon.. Yet people can run around insta killing people in cyrodil, with a glitch, and as far as i can see there has never been bans for it. Correct me if i am wrong, please, and to be honest i just dont know. All i do know is i see the same people doing this same thing over and over.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is this an exploit? And if so can someone finally do something about it? this happens to me at least 5 times a day if i pvp. There is no counter to this. From what i see its an exploit of either camo hunter or the other exploits with the emotes. Or who knows, maybe its a new one.

    It takes place in last 20 seconds of the 1st video, and the 2nd video is just someone showing a glitch. looks oddly similar..

    Dont get yourself banned.

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    Edited by ZOS_Mika on March 7, 2018 9:36PM
  • badmojo
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    The audio is the biggest indicator that this isn't working as intended. In the video you only hear ONE thwack of the bow, and then 4 arrows can be heard hitting.

    It does seem like the snipes from stealth can not be heard, and the one you do hear in the video was the 4th(or 5th) snipe because the first one had hit and pulled the caster from stealth. So from what I see, they aren't landing 4 snipes at the same time, it's just that by the time the first snipe hits without warning, there are 3-4 more in the air about to hit.
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  • Priyasekarssk
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Snipe stacking? How?[/quot
    josiahva wrote: »
    Its funny when they try this against someone with wings up though. With as zergy as Cyrodiil is though, its a constant rain of lethal arrows anyway.

    Rain of lethal arrows. Mostly 4 or 3 in 1 second and insta death. Common in PC. Its there for very long time, surfaced again. I think its an exploit or cheat. Many players are experienced the same thing in PVP. When I see that in death recap, I usually quit PVP. No fun in playing with cheaters.
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 7, 2018 6:36PM
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Snipe stacking? How?[/quot
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    Its funny when they try this against someone with wings up though. With as zergy as Cyrodiil is though, its a constant rain of lethal arrows anyway.

    Rain of lethal arrows. Mostly 4 or 3 in 1 second. I think its an exploit or cheat. Many players are experienced the same thing in PVP.
    badmojo wrote: »
    The audio is the biggest indicator that this isn't working as intended. In the video you only hear ONE thwack of the bow, and then 4 arrows can be heard hitting.

    It does seem like the snipes from stealth can not be heard, and the one you do hear in the video was the 4th(or 5th) snipe because the first one had hit and pulled the caster from stealth. So from what I see, they aren't landing 4 snipes at the same time, it's just that by the time the first snipe hits without warning, there are 3-4 more in the air about to hit.

    Lethal arrow has cast time of 1.1 seconds not instant . Dont take people for granted. Can you post video casting of 3-4 arrows within 1 second even with animation cancel ? Unless you show proof for casting can be done of 4 lethal in 1 second , its not audio issue. Probably you don't even know its not instant cast or paid troll.
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 7, 2018 6:57PM
  • badmojo
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    badmojo wrote: »
    The audio is the biggest indicator that this isn't working as intended. In the video you only hear ONE thwack of the bow, and then 4 arrows can be heard hitting.

    It does seem like the snipes from stealth can not be heard, and the one you do hear in the video was the 4th(or 5th) snipe because the first one had hit and pulled the caster from stealth. So from what I see, they aren't landing 4 snipes at the same time, it's just that by the time the first snipe hits without warning, there are 3-4 more in the air about to hit.

    Edit: After playing around in-game I don't see how anyone could land that many snipes in such a short amount of time, with only 1 audio cue.
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  • ssewallb14_ESO
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    Haven't seen this one in a while. Zos loves to bring old bugs back.
    Edited by ssewallb14_ESO on March 7, 2018 7:02PM
  • Priyasekarssk
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    badmojo wrote: »
    badmojo wrote: »
    The audio is the biggest indicator that this isn't working as intended. In the video you only hear ONE thwack of the bow, and then 4 arrows can be heard hitting.

    It does seem like the snipes from stealth can not be heard, and the one you do hear in the video was the 4th(or 5th) snipe because the first one had hit and pulled the caster from stealth. So from what I see, they aren't landing 4 snipes at the same time, it's just that by the time the first snipe hits without warning, there are 3-4 more in the air about to hit.

    Edit: After playing around in-game I don't see how anyone could land that many snipes in such a short amount of time, with only 1 audio cue.

    Lethal arrow has cast time of 1.1 seconds not instant and cannot be animation cancelled that much quickly in legal way as far I know . Its more or less behaves like ultimate. He is just defending ZOs or cheaters or he doesnt know what he ways speaking
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 7, 2018 7:07PM
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    I always get sniped like that everytime I go to Cyrodiil. I always wondered how it was possible. This also happens with double hand weapons too.
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    jcaceresw wrote: »
    I always get sniped like that everytime I go to Cyrodiil. I always wondered how it was possible. This also happens with double hand weapons too.

    I could see double handed its possible. Because, you have upper cut is the only one with 1 second cast time. Later all are instant and can be animation cancelled. I can combine sub assault( warden) + upper cut followed CC + to get to 50 percent health .Sub assault land only after 3 seconds after cast. You can cast sub assault before even it lands and cast another skill before sub assault t hits. Once your health is 50 percent reverse slice and dawn-breaker do the rest , its more or less instant . It can be argued as overpowered and needs nerf , but not cheating. Thats why so many 2H in PVPs.

    But 4 snipes in a row ?
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 7, 2018 7:17PM
  • jcaceresw
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    jcaceresw wrote: »
    I always get sniped like that everytime I go to Cyrodiil. I always wondered how it was possible. This also happens with double hand weapons too.

    I could see double handed its possible. Because, you have upper cut is the only one with 1 second cast time. Later all are instant and can be animation cancelled. I can combine upper cut followed CC + to get to 50 percent health . Once your health is 50 percent reverse slice and dawn-breaker do the rest , its more or less instant . It can be argued as overpowered and needs nerf , but not cheating.

    But 4 snipes in a row ?

    I mean that just a single use of upper cut appears 4 to 5 times in a row in the death recap.
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    jcaceresw wrote: »
    jcaceresw wrote: »
    I always get sniped like that everytime I go to Cyrodiil. I always wondered how it was possible. This also happens with double hand weapons too.

    I could see double handed its possible. Because, you have upper cut is the only one with 1 second cast time. Later all are instant and can be animation cancelled. I can combine upper cut followed CC + to get to 50 percent health . Once your health is 50 percent reverse slice and dawn-breaker do the rest , its more or less instant . It can be argued as overpowered and needs nerf , but not cheating.

    But 4 snipes in a row ?

    I mean that just a single use of upper cut appears 4 to 5 times in a row in the death recap.

    Is it ? Upper cut is mainly used for stun combined with an instant skill to get your health 50 percent, even though upper cut itself deals tons of damage. Once your health is below 50 percent there is no meaning for using upper cut . Spamming Executioner/Reverse slice combined with dawn breaker OR NB ultimate would be better choice. Instant death if executed correctly.

    I haven't seen upper cut spammed so far , because there is no need for it. I could be wrong.
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 7, 2018 8:40PM
  • AjiBuster499
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    I only saw 2 Lethal Arrows being shot, but could it possibly be the dot? I do believe that Lethal Arrow (The poison morph of Snipe) does indeed come with a dot. I don't know when it starts ticking but I have a feeling that like most dots it has an initial tick upon application. Could that be why there's four in the death recap when he only shot 2?
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    I only saw 2 Lethal Arrows being shot, but could it possibly be the dot? I do believe that Lethal Arrow (The poison morph of Snipe) does indeed come with a dot. I don't know when it starts ticking but I have a feeling that like most dots it has an initial tick upon application. Could that be why there's four in the death recap when he only shot 2?
    DOT will not kill you instantly apply that much amount of damage in 1 second. Can you prove your point ? I dont see other DOTs behave like that. I could be wrong.
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