Stamblade pvp build help needed

Icy_Waffles

Im looking at making a stamblade for pvp.

Was thinking 2h and bow. Woodelf.

5 piece spriggans.

5 piece fortified brass.

All impen. 1 heavy, 1 light. 5 medium.

1 piece krags for pen, veli for damage, or bloodspawn for recovery.

Warrior mundus.


Could I make this work or is this not practical? Will my sustain be far too low?

Sixty5

Are you going to be running in CP or non CP?

I'm not sure how much I like Fortified Brass on a Stamblade, given all the tools you have to reset a fight, especially when running bow + 2h. Something like Eternal Hunt or Shacklebreaker are going to play better to your strengths than a set like Fortified Brass will.

Icy_Waffles

Cp.

I figured this would male me more universal. As in I could run in groups as well. I looked at eternal hunt as well. Shackle too but again. Not sure.

Sixty5

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Cp.

I figured this would male me more universal. As in I could run in groups as well. I looked at eternal hunt as well. Shackle too but again. Not sure.

I've been runing Shackle + Shieldbreaker + 1 Domihaus on my stamblade for a couple of patches now, it works pretty well.

Icy_Waffles

Sixty5 wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Cp.

I figured this would male me more universal. As in I could run in groups as well. I looked at eternal hunt as well. Shackle too but again. Not sure.

I've been runing Shackle + Shieldbreaker + 1 Domihaus on my stamblade for a couple of patches now, it works pretty well.

My current nb ia 5 pc heavy shackle. 5 pc bone pirate 2 piece veli. Dual wield front bar. 1h back bar. Not my favorite way to play nb.

Wanting something fresh.

BohnT

5 medium shackle+bone.
Either go with 1 domi and have both sets active at any time or
Master's bow and Asylum 2h
Or domi+ backbar Master's bow and 4pc shackle on backbar

Food: Camoran throne or Jewels of misrule

Tri state glyphs on big pieces
Infused back bar with wpndmg & nirn frontbar with Disease glyph or if you want to try hard poisons

120 points into atronach for tactician passive
~30 points into magregen


Whatever people may tell you do not run shieldbreaker:
1. it won't help you to improve
2. everytime you kill someone with shieldbreaker you have another person who will focus you all the time
3. you make yourself a moron by slotting it

llElLoboll

Personally I've always found dot setups with good weapon damage to work better for me than eternal hunt or bone pirate builds. Sheer venom, vicecanon, senche, and shackle combinations would be my recommendation to new stamblade players. Senche, sheer, master's bow, and 1 kena/ veli will give you 2800 stam recov and 1100 mag recov with jewels of misrule and also roughly 4500 weapon damage. Run a duel health poison on the 2h and you'll have nice burst with 4 dots that all habe huh uptime. Some people don't like to play this way but I've always felt eternal hunt builds never had enough uptime with the rune actually being useful and the recov from bone pirate can be gotten from other sources. Just my opinion.

Icy_Waffles

llElLoboll wrote: »

Personally I've always found dot setups with good weapon damage to work better for me than eternal hunt or bone pirate builds. Sheer venom, vicecanon, senche, and shackle combinations would be my recommendation to new stamblade players. Senche, sheer, master's bow, and 1 kena/ veli will give you 2800 stam recov and 1100 mag recov with jewels of misrule and also roughly 4500 weapon damage. Run a duel health poison on the 2h and you'll have nice burst with 4 dots that all habe huh uptime. Some people don't like to play this way but I've always felt eternal hunt builds never had enough uptime with the rune actually being useful and the recov from bone pirate can be gotten from other sources. Just my opinion.

No masters bow or asylum 2h yet. Cant seem to get either after many runs. Interested in 2 five piece with one monster.

Icy_Waffles

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

llElLoboll wrote: »

Personally I've always found dot setups with good weapon damage to work better for me than eternal hunt or bone pirate builds. Sheer venom, vicecanon, senche, and shackle combinations would be my recommendation to new stamblade players. Senche, sheer, master's bow, and 1 kena/ veli will give you 2800 stam recov and 1100 mag recov with jewels of misrule and also roughly 4500 weapon damage. Run a duel health poison on the 2h and you'll have nice burst with 4 dots that all habe huh uptime. Some people don't like to play this way but I've always felt eternal hunt builds never had enough uptime with the rune actually being useful and the recov from bone pirate can be gotten from other sources. Just my opinion.

No masters bow or asylum 2h yet. Cant seem to get either after many runs. Interested in 2 five piece with one monster.

I actually thought spriggans would be good with all of the heavy armor honestly.

Icy_Waffles

BohnT wrote: »

5 medium shackle+bone.
Either go with 1 domi and have both sets active at any time or
Master's bow and Asylum 2h
Or domi+ backbar Master's bow and 4pc shackle on backbar

Food: Camoran throne or Jewels of misrule

Tri state glyphs on big pieces
Infused back bar with wpndmg & nirn frontbar with Disease glyph or if you want to try hard poisons

120 points into atronach for tactician passive
~30 points into magregen


Whatever people may tell you do not run shieldbreaker:
1. it won't help you to improve
2. everytime you kill someone with shieldbreaker you have another person who will focus you all the time
3. you make yourself a moron by slotting it

No plans for shieldbreaker.

Narvuntien

Fortified brass seems bad..
I'd just run hundings rage... Hundings + Spriggans is just a nice all round effective set up.

I run prismatic defense on the large pieces for more hp and mag.

I am a stam-gank-blade so I have no intention of surviving I am just stealth sniping people with Strength of the automation + Archer's mind. Hundings + SotA is also good. I did a bunch tests to work out what set up was best and SotA + Archer's just beat out Hundings + SotA but I like having more resources so I sometimes use Hundings + SotA. Due to the peculiarities of using SotA, I have Onslaught on my 2h bar not Incap... without Onslaught Spriggan's is a lot more effective. As such with a more conventional set up Hundings + Spriggans would be best.

bongtokin420insd16

So are you saying run 4 sheer 4 vice and a one hand asylum or master bow with monster set and back bar duel wield so that when mele you are 5/5/2? How does that work out when you switch to the bow you are losing both benefits of the sets right since you'd have to duel wield a weapon from each set to be able to complete each and have the monster set?

Sorry if this is newb, still working on the fine points of the game.

fred4

I play a few classes, including magblade, for a long time, and only started playing stamblade recently. A couple of things. If you want to cloak, and you do it as you approach your target and have not entered combat yet, then you might take into consideration that regen works differently out of combat than it does in combat. The values on your stat sheet are the in combat figures. The out of combat figures are not shown, and they differ. This is important to maximise the amount of times you can cloak.

Now you'll have to take what follows with a grain of salt, since ZOS change their code all the time, and I have not retested this patch, but the best sources of magicka sustain, out of combat, are, in this order:

Atronach mundus stone
Drinks
Potions
Cost reduction jewelry enchants

Magicka recovery enchants and set bonuses, such as from Shacklebreaker, do not help with your magicka sustain out of combat at all. I run my stamblade as DW / 2H right now, using 1x Veli, 1x Domihaus, 5x Shacklebreaker, and 4x/5x Draugr Hulk. I run the Atronach mundus. 2x weapon damage, 1x stam recovery on jewelry. Wood Elf race. This leaves me a couple of interesting options:

I can run Honest Lassie Honey Tea for 1.7K (in combat) mag recovery and 2.2K stam recovery. If I also burn through crafted potions (Immov / detect / magicka), I can perma-cloak on stamblade. One way of operating the build is to use Rapid Maneuvers and run around in cloak at magblade speeds. Unlike crouch, you can run right across flag guards, if you want. At the same time, the build still has 3.8K buffed weapon damage and 36.4K stamina on the front bar.

If that's not your thing, or you just want more damage, switch to Lava Foot Soup on the same build, which boosts stamina to 41.5K. More stamina, more damage, and bigger Vigor heals. With Rally, and this latter setup, you'll get a 16K in-game Vigor tooltip in PvP (which UESP does not calculate properly), if memory serves me right. I prefer going for a set like Hulk over Spriggan, since it boosts healing, which the Spriggan 5 piece does not.

Bone Pirate hems you into using drinks, probably Dubious Camoran Throne. It's overall stats are marginally better than Hulk, but since Lava Foot Soup exists, you can build with Hulk, or even Trainee, and engineer it to get very similar results. Key to that is that you may in fact put some attribute points into health. In my current build I have 10 points in health, and I can still get 41.5K stamina on a merely +6% stam race (Wood Elf), and with full prismatic armor enchants. This last point is key to optimising your stats. You want to engineer your build so that you just about have the health you want while using all prismatic enchants. Otherwise you are giving away your 3rd stat - magicka - that you get from the prismatics.

This build is experimental, but here it is anyway: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=41190

llElLoboll

If you don't have a master's then you can run a senche 2h and bow with 1 body and 3 jewelry. Then 5 sheer on the body with a 1 piece monster of your choice. I recently started a new account on pc and I know for a fact that setup works at 160cp and up.

llElLoboll

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

So are you saying run 4 sheer 4 vice and a one hand asylum or master bow with monster set and back bar duel wield so that when mele you are 5/5/2? How does that work out when you switch to the bow you are losing both benefits of the sets right since you'd have to duel wield a weapon from each set to be able to complete each and have the monster set?

Sorry if this is newb, still working on the fine points of the game.

The build I suggested you would have the master bow then a sheer 2h. Double bar the other five piece set and use 1 monster piece. Sheer venom is procced by the dot from poison inject. So do a light attack poison inject combo on the bow bar then swap to 2h bar and sheer will proc. If you want to run vicecannon it's the same setup just switch out senche. If you want to run vice and sheer with no masters bow then run vice bow with sheer 2h and you can then run a monster set which valkyn skoria works really well on this build with all the dots.

wsmith97ub17_ESO

llElLoboll wrote: »

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

So are you saying run 4 sheer 4 vice and a one hand asylum or master bow with monster set and back bar duel wield so that when mele you are 5/5/2? How does that work out when you switch to the bow you are losing both benefits of the sets right since you'd have to duel wield a weapon from each set to be able to complete each and have the monster set?

Sorry if this is newb, still working on the fine points of the game.

The build I suggested you would have the master bow then a sheer 2h. Double bar the other five piece set and use 1 monster piece. Sheer venom is procced by the dot from poison inject. So do a light attack poison inject combo on the bow bar then swap to 2h bar and sheer will proc. If you want to run vicecannon it's the same setup just switch out senche. If you want to run vice and sheer with no masters bow then run vice bow with sheer 2h and you can then run a monster set which valkyn skoria works really well on this build with all the dots.

Does vice only work from sneak though? cloak?

Icy_Waffles

No masters bow or asylum 2h yet.

Sky_WK

BohnT wrote: »

5 medium shackle+bone.
Either go with 1 domi and have both sets active at any time or
Master's bow and Asylum 2h
Or domi+ backbar Master's bow and 4pc shackle on backbar

Food: Camoran throne or Jewels of misrule

Tri state glyphs on big pieces
Infused back bar with wpndmg & nirn frontbar with Disease glyph or if you want to try hard poisons

120 points into atronach for tactician passive
~30 points into magregen


Whatever people may tell you do not run shieldbreaker:
1. it won't help you to improve
2. everytime you kill someone with shieldbreaker you have another person who will focus you all the time
3. you make yourself a moron by slotting it

Jewels of misrule doesn't proc bone pirate I don't think, it was datamined as a drink but changed to a "special" food upon release and acts as food.

llElLoboll

Yes you can use cloak to proc vicecanon.

Icy_Waffles

Any other input?