Powerful Assault (only 10 meter range and 98 less WP/SP damage) vs. Spell Power Cure

GrumpyDuckling

Powerful Assault could use an update to extend its range (to maybe 20 meters) and increase its 164 WP/SP damage (to maybe 225). Spell Power Cure far outclasses it at the moment. An update to Powerful Assault could narrow the gap and also make stamina healing a bit more exciting.

Powerful Assault
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you cast an Assault ability, you increase the Weapon and Spell Damage of up to 4 friendly targets within 10 meters by 164 for 15 seconds.

Spell Power Cure
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) When you heal a friendly target that is at 100% Health, you have a 50% chance to increase their Weapon and Spell Damage by 258 for 10 seconds.

Sixty5

Powerful assault is meant to be a group utility set in PVP, rather than a set to enable stamina healing.

GrumpyDuckling

Sixty5 wrote: »

Powerful assault is meant to be a group utility set in PVP, rather than a set to enable stamina healing.

Could be both.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Powerful assault is meant to be a group utility set in PVP, rather than a set to enable stamina healing.

Could be both.

Could be but is not. As you see it is on ablity use, not heals, so any one can get the buff, not just the ones you heal with vigor.

Dragath

not a fan of band aid fixes.
ZOS should decide if they think stamina healing is a real thing for them, and then change the game accordingly (Abilities and Sets).

raj72616a

Dragath wrote: »

not a fan of band aid fixes.
ZOS should decide if they think stamina healing is a real thing for them, and then change the game accordingly (Abilities and Sets).

i hope that will never happen. their idea to make stamina healing a thing, would probably be nerfing magicka healing down to the ground.

Custos91

Well tbh I think PA isn't bad at all (I play a stamina healer as well though^^)

The thing with SPC:
SPC affects a lot more pets/summons/random *** then only players, thus stealing the procc from players, SPC uptime is practically impossible to get to 100% (we did some testing on dummys this week for a friend, 4 hours I have been on spc duty, I had 2 hots + life steal up for all tests and in some test spc uptime only reached 77% (on a dummy!) because it has only a chance to procc from each heal, and sometimes you get unlucky.
Best uptime I had was 94%... by healing a single person on a dummy for 4 hours testing...
Was on a mag healer ofc^^

These numbers are not very good, especially when you consider that SPC will not grant you its bonus when you will need it most, when things go wrong, when *** really hits the fan, in burn phases... you can't guarantee a SPC procc in this scenario anymore... much less then you can actually guarantee it at all apparently...

Not sure what to make of this yet... PA has easily 100% uptime at least...
I beginn to think the whole SPC meta might not be as strong as people think, especially for groups who are struggling...

exiars10

Custos91 wrote: »

I beginn to think the whole SPC meta might not be as strong as people think, especially for groups who are struggling...

Meta = apex fallacy at its finest.

Even the popular meta builders always explain and warn that everything is situational but meta chasers just blindly slap one build on every possible situation.

VaranisArano

Custos91 wrote: »

Well tbh I think PA isn't bad at all (I play a stamina healer as well though^^)

The thing with SPC:
SPC affects a lot more pets/summons/random *** then only players, thus stealing the procc from players, SPC uptime is practically impossible to get to 100% (we did some testing on dummys this week for a friend, 4 hours I have been on spc duty, I had 2 hots + life steal up for all tests and in some test spc uptime only reached 77% (on a dummy!) because it has only a chance to procc from each heal, and sometimes you get unlucky.
Best uptime I had was 94%... by healing a single person on a dummy for 4 hours testing...
Was on a mag healer ofc^^

These numbers are not very good, especially when you consider that SPC will not grant you its bonus when you will need it most, when things go wrong, when *** really hits the fan, in burn phases... you can't guarantee a SPC procc in this scenario anymore... much less then you can actually guarantee it at all apparently...

Not sure what to make of this yet... PA has easily 100% uptime at least...
I beginn to think the whole SPC meta might not be as strong as people think, especially for groups who are struggling...

Buffing in general gets more useful the stronger the group is. In group dungeons, a struggling group would often benefit from the healer stopping buffing the group's weaker DPS and simply adding their own DPS to the battle, (presumably a higher amount than the buffs gave). With a strong group, those buffs let the DDs perform to their best ability.

So if your group is struggling, it might be that SPC buffs aren't going to make up the deficit between where they are and where they need to be. But then, that's not the point of buffs. Buffs alone can't carry a group that's struggling with the mechanics or difficulty of the fight. Buffs are the cherry on top of the sundae of a strong group.

SirMewser

Custos91 wrote: »

Well tbh I think PA isn't bad at all (I play a stamina healer as well though^^)

The thing with SPC:
SPC affects a lot more pets/summons/random *** then only players, thus stealing the procc from players, SPC uptime is practically impossible to get to 100% (we did some testing on dummys this week for a friend, 4 hours I have been on spc duty, I had 2 hots + life steal up for all tests and in some test spc uptime only reached 77% (on a dummy!) because it has only a chance to procc from each heal, and sometimes you get unlucky.
Best uptime I had was 94%... by healing a single person on a dummy for 4 hours testing...
Was on a mag healer ofc^^

These numbers are not very good, especially when you consider that SPC will not grant you its bonus when you will need it most, when things go wrong, when *** really hits the fan, in burn phases... you can't guarantee a SPC procc in this scenario anymore... much less then you can actually guarantee it at all apparently...

Not sure what to make of this yet... PA has easily 100% uptime at least...
I beginn to think the whole SPC meta might not be as strong as people think, especially for groups who are struggling...

You must be new or 50+ topics late if you still believe SPC proc is "stolen" by pets and friendlies.
Healing and buffs have a prioritize system.
It's the groups fault for idiotically not being in healing range, not the NPCs.
The players wouldn't get the buff otherwise even if the pet wasn't there, that i why friendlies get it.

Lynx7386

At the very least the damage bonus should be equivalent to SPC.

The real problem with powerful assault is that the user loses a lot of personal damage wearing it, and there are just better sets out there. I would absolutely love to run this on one of my healers, or on a tank, or even on my dps, but there's just no room for it in endgame pve.

If it could compete with other sets or had better 2-4pc bonuses maybe it would be worthwhile. It seems like this is one of those sets they wanted tanks to run (and tanks used to run it), but being medium makes that difficult. A healer (magicka) gains no real use out of the 2-4pc and has to use a stamina heal or caltrops or proxy det to proc it, not viable. Stamina healers really still arent viable, and even if you were a stamina healer you'd probably still be using SPC because it works on any heals and gives a bigger group bonus. Damage dealers dont wear powerful assault because they get more damage out of other sets than the group would get out of the 5 pc.

So, IMO, it needs to be changed to a 258 spell/weapon power bonus just like SPC on the 5 piece. I'd use it then, for sure, even with the health bonus.

Silver_Strider

I still use it on my Stamblade turned Tank for pugging dungeons. Just like all support sets, it's only useful if the group is good and useless if they're bad.

Maybe if it had been a Heavy set, it would be more useful but I digress.

exeeter702

Custos91 wrote: »

Well tbh I think PA isn't bad at all (I play a stamina healer as well though^^)

The thing with SPC:
SPC affects a lot more pets/summons/random *** then only players, thus stealing the procc from players, SPC uptime is practically impossible to get to 100% (we did some testing on dummys this week for a friend, 4 hours I have been on spc duty, I had 2 hots + life steal up for all tests and in some test spc uptime only reached 77% (on a dummy!) because it has only a chance to procc from each heal, and sometimes you get unlucky.
Best uptime I had was 94%... by healing a single person on a dummy for 4 hours testing...
Was on a mag healer ofc^^

These numbers are not very good, especially when you consider that SPC will not grant you its bonus when you will need it most, when things go wrong, when *** really hits the fan, in burn phases... you can't guarantee a SPC procc in this scenario anymore... much less then you can actually guarantee it at all apparently...

Not sure what to make of this yet... PA has easily 100% uptime at least...
I beginn to think the whole SPC meta might not be as strong as people think, especially for groups who are struggling...

Pets do not steal spc. This is a common misconception. Pets will gain the buff if no applicable players are within range. In the event a trial member is, for whatever reason, outside of your spc reach, a pet will take it. As soon as the player comes back within range the next refresh will go to that player. You are looking at 2 to 3 seconds of lost buff time in the rarest of occasions. And if you are outside of spc range then you are also likely not benefiting from combat prayer either.

The only time a pet will take prioriry over a player is when said player is not even capitalizing on damage to begin with. And when said player moves in range to capitalize on damage he will he have the buff in a couple seconds.

A bit of a tangent but i always feel the need to correct this false assumption regarding spc and pets.