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Why are levelling rewards bound to character?

TheRealPotoroo
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Why are so many levelling rewards bound to character? My poor alt needs an inventory bonus to carry around all the potions and scrolls and stuff she can't or doesn't need to use but which cannot be banked or even used by other characters. For example, take the Attribute and Skills reset scrolls. Can't be banked, can't be used on any other character. It so happens I don't want to reset this alt, because I knew what I was doing and don't need to rebuild her. OTOH, I do have an older character I do want to rebuild. Etc.

It would be a shame to have to destroy so much stuff but otherwise it's all just using up inventory slots for the indefinite future.
PC NA, PC EU

"Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_6850523
  • Taleof2Cities
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Edited by Taleof2Cities on March 2, 2018 5:29AM
  • TheRealPotoroo
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.
    PC NA, PC EU

    "Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_6850523
  • monktoasty
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    I agree should be bankable
  • Linaleah
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    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    this. THIS. THIS. the only things that are worth abusing, are once per server anyways. everything else takes FAR too long, given in game alternatives. I mean comparable xp potions are what... 4k nowadays? 5k? its literally faster and easier to pickpocket for 15 minutes to buy one of a trader then relevel characters for the crown version.
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • WakeYourGhost
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.
  • TheRealPotoroo
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.

    In your dreams, maybe.
    PC NA, PC EU

    "Instead of taking the best of the dolmens (predictable rotation), the best of the geysers (scalability based on number of players), and the best of the dragons (map location and health indicators) and adding them together to make a fun and dynamic world event scenario, they gave us....... harrowstorms." https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6850523/#Comment_6850523
  • Linaleah
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.

    In your dreams, maybe.

    in theory, he probably can. you know with golded out training gear, being carried through some fast grind spot while using xp pot. in theory. not on their own though. and is it worth actualy doing? especially for the person that is carrying them? and if they are trading carries to make it fair, then - we just doubled up the time to get rewards... and.... we get back to the "is it even worth the effort part of this conversation.
    dirty worthless casual.
    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
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  • WakeYourGhost
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.

    In your dreams, maybe.

    in theory, he probably can. you know with golded out training gear, being carried through some fast grind spot while using xp pot. in theory. not on their own though. and is it worth actualy doing? especially for the person that is carrying them? and if they are trading carries to make it fair, then - we just doubled up the time to get rewards... and.... we get back to the "is it even worth the effort part of this conversation.

    Worth the Effort is fairly subjective, honestly..
    Someone will always think it’s worth the effort to get “free” stuff.
  • Aeslief
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    Yeah, it is literallly not worth worrying about those paltry consumables. Established characters don’t really need them in most cases.
    Edited by Aeslief on March 2, 2018 11:32AM
  • Aeslief
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    Oops dbl post
    Edited by Aeslief on March 2, 2018 11:33AM
  • ValkynSketha
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    There should be a monthly lock on the so called one time rewards as well if you ask me.
  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    The rewards are character bound in order to stop cheesy people from exploiting an act of generosity which has been made for the benefit of new players by ZOS.

    Don't forget that crown crates and crown store consumables normally cost real money to buy, as do some pets and costumes. ZOS is effectively giving away real money here. Allowing people to exploit this system could have a real effect on revenue from the sale of crowns.
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  • D0PAMINE
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    You wouldnt be surprised how many people will do a repetitive task in an MMO to aquire whatever it is they'd want.
  • Linaleah
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    The rewards are character bound in order to stop cheesy people from exploiting an act of generosity which has been made for the benefit of new players by ZOS.

    Don't forget that crown crates and crown store consumables normally cost real money to buy, as do some pets and costumes. ZOS is effectively giving away real money here. Allowing people to exploit this system could have a real effect on revenue from the sale of crowns.

    crown crates, pets, mounts, storage crate, costumes, bank upgrade even transmute crystals are one time rewards already. crown consumables are
    1 - cheap and
    2 - worse then in game equivalents that you can farm up/craft in half the time.
    3 - you can already keep unlocked collectibles like pets and costumes, even if you delete the character that originally earned them
    4 - they even made it impossible to get bag upgrades if you bought even one of them

    so binding these minor consumables to a character makes about as much sense as binding that xp scroll you get by finishing CWC story.
    dirty worthless casual.
    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
    Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"
  • Asardes
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    So you can spend 1.5K crowns on the new character slot, if you have 14 already leveled :)
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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  • Sinolai
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    The free crown crate and prisoner style would be nice but guess it has to wait till new class comes out. I have no need for dublicate characters.
    Edited by Sinolai on March 2, 2018 12:29PM
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    I want the option to collect the things I want and "No thank you" to the things I don't.

    I need the Skill and Attribute points. I really don't need the random blue trash piece you're forcing me to choose between.

    (None of the above should be a choice option.)
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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  • Marabornwingrion
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    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.

    In your dreams, maybe.

    Learn 2 Grind.
  • duendology
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    How many times does it need to be repeated?
    This system is designed for new players
    aka players who never have played this game or mmo in general.

    And I find it very useful as I am playing the new character pretending I don't have anything - gold included- (apart from experience).. and yeah.. I even used the glyphs etc.. and they DID turn out ot be useful...I do not doubt the devs will be updating the system, it's new after all. But I do think it's a good idea..especially for people to whom MMO is a totally new thing.
    I know that it's hard to grasp to some of you.. but yeah, guess what, this game is also played by people who were not born with game controller in hands.

    If you don't like it turn it off.. but don't whine it does not give you dungeon items, crown crates items..and whatever the hell you think you're entitled to get because you played the zillions hours (and probably,have more characters that you can handle} and have got everything already. Ughh

    Seriously...
    o_0
    Edited by duendology on March 2, 2018 1:50PM
    PC/NA
    - Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
    - Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
    - Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

    I am an old-fashioned Goth
  • Linaleah
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    duendology wrote: »
    How many times does it need to be repeated?
    This system is designed for new players
    aka players who never have played this game or mmo in general.

    And I find it very useful as I am playing the new character pretending I don't have anything - gold included- (apart from experience).. and yeah.. I even used the glyphs etc.. and they DID turn out ot be useful...I do not doubt the devs will be updating the system, it's new after all. But I do think it's a good idea..especially for people to whom MMO is a totally new thing.
    I know that it's hard to grasp to some of you.. but yeah, guess what, this game is also played by people who were not born with game controller in hands.

    If you don't like it turn it off.. but don't whine it does not give you dungeon items, crown crates items..and whatever the hell you think you're entitled to get because you played the zillions hours (and probably,have more characters that you can handle} and have got everything already. Ughh

    Seriously...
    o_0

    oh look. someone didn't read the actual post and replied to what he THOUGHT was in it.

    guess what? it would be even MORE useful for a new player to be able to bank excess potions and the like. becasue when a new player creates a new character? they likely don't have the support network old player does so maybe they had some potions left over or an xp scroll or didn't need to respec as much. guess what - being able to send those consumables to their new character? is going to help them MORE then to a veteran who can make up the gold to get in game alternative in a few minutes give or take.
    dirty worthless casual.
    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
    Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"
  • Trinity_Is_My_Name
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    They should be bankable. My character I am leveling now is about two years old. Mount training finished long long ago yet I get a scroll for mount training bound to the character. Can't use it, can't bank it. Only thing I can do is DESTROY it. Same for another scroll I just got on the same character. It's already maxed out. Would be nice to be able to bank it for a new toon later.
  • duendology
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    Linaleah wrote: »

    oh look. someone didn't read the actual post and replied to what he THOUGHT was in it.

    guess what? it would be even MORE useful for a new player to be able to bank excess potions and the like. because when a new player creates a new character? they likely don't have the support network old player does so maybe they had some potions left over or an xp scroll or didn't need to respec as much. guess what - being able to send those consumables to their new character? is going to help them MORE then to a veteran who can make up the gold to get in game alternative in a few minutes give or take.

    Oh I have. ANd it's not only this thread but several others. Perhaps I should have included specific reply in this post. Oh well

    Actually you're mean to use these consumables as you level up. Or is it surprise?

    "bank excess"? What does it mean?
    Actually, I don't understand what you wrote there. All the items a new player is given while levelling up are there for the said player to use to help them to level up.

    And they're given such rewards, exactly because this hypothetical player has no access to guilds or already stored items which a veteran one has.
    Aside consumables all collectibles are server wide. So, what's the whining about again?



    PC/NA
    - Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
    - Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
    - Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

    I am an old-fashioned Goth
  • Linaleah
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    duendology wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »

    oh look. someone didn't read the actual post and replied to what he THOUGHT was in it.

    guess what? it would be even MORE useful for a new player to be able to bank excess potions and the like. because when a new player creates a new character? they likely don't have the support network old player does so maybe they had some potions left over or an xp scroll or didn't need to respec as much. guess what - being able to send those consumables to their new character? is going to help them MORE then to a veteran who can make up the gold to get in game alternative in a few minutes give or take.

    Oh I have. ANd it's not only this thread but several others. Perhaps I should have included specific reply in this post. Oh well

    Actually you're mean to use these consumables as you level up. Or is it surprise?

    "bank excess"? What does it mean?
    Actually, I don't understand what you wrote there. All the items a new player is given while levelling up are there for the said player to use to help them to level up.

    And they're given such rewards, exactly because this hypothetical player has no access to guilds or already stored items which a veteran one has.
    Aside consumables all collectibles are server wide. So, what's the whining about again?



    not being able to pass left over consumables to an alt. is. POINTLESS. they could use those consumables, whatever they have leftover - on a new alt, but no, instead it just takes up the space and has to be deleted. WHY? why is this a good thing? why is this useful? and yes, its possible to use the consumables and STILL have some leftover. health potions etc do still drop out in a world and when I was starting out, I used those dropped potions quite a bit and they lasted for quite a while. giving a reward that is borderline useless is not helpful. its counterproductive.

    P.S. please read the entire bloody sentence. to bank. its a verb not a noun in this particular case. as in to place into a bank, so that an alt can withdraw it. to share it with your alts. is it clearer now?

    P.P.S. god forbid we make a system even semi decent to someone who is not a completely new player. to hell with those veterans, amirite? must stop hypothetical abuse or something at the cost of regular players, of course.
    dirty worthless casual.
    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
    Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"
  • duendology
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    @Linaleah

    Sigh...
    a new player has NO ALTS.

    By the time a new player adds more alts.. they're already experienced enough to craft consumables..so no need to have leftovers.

    again.. this system is, first and foremost, designed for NEW PLAYERS
    Do you understand what "new" implies?
    Edited by duendology on March 2, 2018 2:37PM
    PC/NA
    - Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
    - Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
    - Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

    I am an old-fashioned Goth
  • KiraTsukasa
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    If it was designed specifically for new players, they should have made the entire thing available ONLY to players who have made an account after the update date. The entire argument of "new players hurr hurr" is completely stupid because it makes zero sense.
  • duendology
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    Linaleah wrote: »

    P.P.S. god forbid we make a system even semi decent to someone who is not a completely new player. to hell with those veterans, amirite? must stop hypothetical abuse or something at the cost of regular players, of course.

    A levelling up system rewards for a veteran player?
    o_0
    Let me guess, crown crates goodies, ability to store everything for another alt, a new mount each time a new character is created, a new costume and pet every time a new character is created, 200 experience scrolls...
    what did I miss?

    Edited by duendology on March 2, 2018 2:36PM
    PC/NA
    - Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
    - Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
    - Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

    I am an old-fashioned Goth
  • KiraTsukasa
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    duendology wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »

    P.P.S. god forbid we make a system even semi decent to someone who is not a completely new player. to hell with those veterans, amirite? must stop hypothetical abuse or something at the cost of regular players, of course.

    A levelling up system rewards for a veteran player?
    o_0
    Let me guess, crown crates goodies, ability to store everything for another alt, a new mount each time a new character is created, a new costume and pet every time a new character is created, 200 experience scrolls...
    what did I miss?

    What if you worked a job and they said "only new employees get to be paid for the last month", would you be alright with that?
  • duendology
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    duendology wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »

    P.P.S. god forbid we make a system even semi decent to someone who is not a completely new player. to hell with those veterans, amirite? must stop hypothetical abuse or something at the cost of regular players, of course.

    A levelling up system rewards for a veteran player?
    o_0
    Let me guess, crown crates goodies, ability to store everything for another alt, a new mount each time a new character is created, a new costume and pet every time a new character is created, 200 experience scrolls...
    what did I miss?

    What if you worked a job and they said "only new employees get to be paid for the last month", would you be alright with that?

    This is a stupid analogy. Sorry.
    PC/NA
    - Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
    - Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
    - Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

    I am an old-fashioned Goth
  • KiraTsukasa
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    duendology wrote: »
    duendology wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »

    P.P.S. god forbid we make a system even semi decent to someone who is not a completely new player. to hell with those veterans, amirite? must stop hypothetical abuse or something at the cost of regular players, of course.

    A levelling up system rewards for a veteran player?
    o_0
    Let me guess, crown crates goodies, ability to store everything for another alt, a new mount each time a new character is created, a new costume and pet every time a new character is created, 200 experience scrolls...
    what did I miss?

    What if you worked a job and they said "only new employees get to be paid for the last month", would you be alright with that?

    This is a stupid analogy. Sorry.

    As is your entire argument.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Leveling rewards are intended for new players ... therefore the scrolls are character bound.

    In addition, players would just abuse the system by banking these and then deleting the character.

    Nonsense. The time and effort you'd have to put it to get up the levels to get the rewards simply isn't worth it once you've got your first and only Sorrell Horse and Storage Chest. For example, the respec scrolls are level 43, for heaven's sake. You can make the 15k or so you need to respec in an hour or two. The point is they're wasted by binding them to the one character.

    Nonsense. I can level a character from 1-50 in an hour or two and make 15k or more in that time.

    In your dreams, maybe.

    in theory, he probably can. you know with golded out training gear, being carried through some fast grind spot while using xp pot. in theory. not on their own though. and is it worth actualy doing? especially for the person that is carrying them? and if they are trading carries to make it fair, then - we just doubled up the time to get rewards... and.... we get back to the "is it even worth the effort part of this conversation.

    Skyreach during xp event most likely
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