ZOS: Can you lower the Ayeleid Well respawn timer

Talcyndl

I think I speak for all PvPers in applauding the new 30 minute long Ayeleid Well buff duration. But, the corresponding 30 minute respawn timer means the wells are almost never active when you go by. The end result is that what was (I assume) intended to be a buff of the wells has been a nerf

Can you return them to a 10 (or even 15) minute respawn?

Thanks.

prototypefb

yeah i was wondering why wells are rarely up, even thos ein the middle of nowhere are more often then not dead, this needs to be adjusted...

Lord_Hev

They also nerfed it by making it so you lose the buff prematurely if you die.


Typical ZOS sick joke of a "buff." They actually nerfed it, and badly. And don't even tell you about it in the patch notes.

Nermy

I have seen 1 well up since the change. Really needs looked at...

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Talcyndl

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Anrose

With the ability to have the well buff for 30 minutes coupled with a high respawn rate, it would be possible for players to constantly have the health bonus. The well buff should be a novelty that you can grab when you find it available. Not something to be relied upon. It feels balanced the way it is.

As far as it falling off when you die now, maybe it’s intended for the same reason?

VaranisArano

Anrose wrote: »

With the ability to have the well buff for 30 minutes coupled with a high respawn rate, it would be possible for players to constantly have the health bonus. The well buff should be a novelty that you can grab when you find it available. Not something to be relied upon. It feels balanced the way it is.

As far as it falling off when you die now, maybe it’s intended for the same reason?

Its intended for it to fall off when you die.

However, if you have the health buff for the full 30 minutes without dying, you are either an excellent player or you aren't fighting players that are up to your level.

Anrose

VaranisArano wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

With the ability to have the well buff for 30 minutes coupled with a high respawn rate, it would be possible for players to constantly have the health bonus. The well buff should be a novelty that you can grab when you find it available. Not something to be relied upon. It feels balanced the way it is.

As far as it falling off when you die now, maybe it’s intended for the same reason?

Its intended for it to fall off when you die.

However, if you have the health buff for the full 30 minutes without dying, you are either an excellent player or you aren't fighting players that are up to your level.

Still sounds like balance, to me!

VaranisArano

Anrose wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

With the ability to have the well buff for 30 minutes coupled with a high respawn rate, it would be possible for players to constantly have the health bonus. The well buff should be a novelty that you can grab when you find it available. Not something to be relied upon. It feels balanced the way it is.

As far as it falling off when you die now, maybe it’s intended for the same reason?

Its intended for it to fall off when you die.

However, if you have the health buff for the full 30 minutes without dying, you are either an excellent player or you aren't fighting players that are up to your level.

Still sounds like balance, to me!

The problem with it becomes this. Under the old system, you had the buff for 10 minutes. That's enough time to go to one fight, win or die, and the buff is gone. You can then go on to another fight, maybe stopping by another well and picking it up. So you can arrange to have the well in practically every fight you are in, assuming of course that no one else grabbed the well when it respawned. Still, everyone has a pretty good chance of finding an active well and getting a short bonus.

Under the new system, you get the buff for 30 minutes or until you die. If you don't die (or you don't fight) that's great. If you do die, whelp, you are SOL on well buffs for a good long while because if some other group grabbed that well when it respawned, it won't be up for a long time.

So practically speaking, that's why its a nerf. Under the old system, you had the buff for a short time but plenty of opportunities to regain the buff after a short while. Because of the short respawn, everyone had a pretty good chance to find an active well. Under the new system, you have the chance to hold onto the buff for up to a half hour if you are very good or simply fighting really bad players, but everyone has a much lower chance to get the buff because of the long respawn timer.

Talcyndl

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Anrose

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Talcyndl

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Do you disagree with either of these statements:

(1) ZOS intended the increase in buff duration (which only applies to Cyrodiil wells) as a buff to those wells.

(2) In actual practice, the effect has been a decrease in the availability and overall benefit from wells.

If so, the change should either be wholly reverted or the respawn timer should be lowered (15 minutes seems reasonable or "fair" as you might have it).

VaranisArano

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Long duration + low respawn means that far less players get to use the buff than under the short duration + high respawn.

Anrose

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Do you disagree with either of these statements:

(1) ZOS intended the increase in buff duration (which only applies to Cyrodiil wells) as a buff to those wells.

(2) In actual practice, the effect has been a decrease in the availability and overall benefit from wells.

If so, the change should either be wholly reverted or the respawn timer should be lowered (15 minutes seems reasonable or "fair" as you might have it).

I agree with both of those statements. I think if buff didn’t fall of when you died, it would make it worth it to go find.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Long duration + low respawn means that far less players get to use the buff than under the short duration + high respawn.

I think this is fine. In my opinion, it should not be a buff widely available for everyone so frequently. It should be a reward for players/groups to go off the beaten path to find one or the lucky ones who grab one along the transit lines.

Morgul667

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

Talcyndl

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

VaranisArano

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Do you disagree with either of these statements:

(1) ZOS intended the increase in buff duration (which only applies to Cyrodiil wells) as a buff to those wells.

(2) In actual practice, the effect has been a decrease in the availability and overall benefit from wells.

If so, the change should either be wholly reverted or the respawn timer should be lowered (15 minutes seems reasonable or "fair" as you might have it).

I agree with both of those statements. I think if buff didn’t fall of when you died, it would make it worth it to go find.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Still sounds like balance, to me!

This was intended as a buff, but in practice is a nerf.

Long duration + high respawn would be too strong.
Long duration + low respawn is fair.
Short duration + high respawn is also fair.

Long duration + low respawn means that far less players get to use the buff than under the short duration + high respawn.

I think this is fine. In my opinion, it should not be a buff widely available for everyone so frequently. It should be a reward for players/groups to go off the beaten path to find one or the lucky ones who grab one along the transit lines.

We go off the beaten path all the because my guild knows where the wells are. They've rarely been up since the update, especially compared to how often we got them before the update.

Morgul667

Talcyndl wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

I am not even sure the wells are actually bugged or not.

We were wondering the other day as none of our guildmates saw one since the update

Nermy

Can we just do away with the wells altogether? I'm sure I noticed more lag when they were up and they're buck useless now. Just get rid and be done with it.

Bashev

The timer is 5 minutes (source) according to @ZOS_BrianWheeler . But I am sure that is is bugged. There are so many bugs in this game...

Talcyndl

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

Morgul667 wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

I am not even sure the wells are actually bugged or not.

We were wondering the other day as none of our guildmates saw one since the update

No, they work. Just hardly ever available.

Talcyndl

Bashev wrote: »

The timer is 5 minutes (source) according to @ZOS_BrianWheeler . But I am sure that is is bugged. There are so many bugs in this game...

Yeah, 5 minutes is not what is currently in game. Previously, the respawn was 10 minutes, same as the buff length. Many times I waited at a well for my buff timer to expire, and the well would reappear at exactly the end of the 10 minute buff.

ilander

Bashev wrote: »

The timer is 5 minutes (source) according to @ZOS_BrianWheeler . But I am sure that is is bugged. There are so many bugs in this game...

Yeah i decided to wait at a well after taking it to see how long it took to come back up again. It was more like 9 minutes than 5 (had 21 mins left on my timer) so i'm guessing there's a problem with the timer or it is supposed to be closer to 10 and the wrong information has been passed on to us.

pieratsos

So if the timer didnt change it wasnt a nerf and it was a buff instead. And the reason why you dont seem to be able to find one available now is probably because its actually worth getting it now so more people are after them instead of just running past them like they did before.

Talcyndl

ilander wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

The timer is 5 minutes (source) according to @ZOS_BrianWheeler . But I am sure that is is bugged. There are so many bugs in this game...

Yeah i decided to wait at a well after taking it to see how long it took to come back up again. It was more like 9 minutes than 5 (had 21 mins left on my timer) so i'm guessing there's a problem with the timer or it is supposed to be closer to 10 and the wrong information has been passed on to us.

Thanks.

Morgul667

Talcyndl wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

Morgul667 wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Never seen a well up since the update. Never

This is the problem. The increase length is useless if most people can never get the buff in the first place.

I am not even sure the wells are actually bugged or not.

We were wondering the other day as none of our guildmates saw one since the update

No, they work. Just hardly ever available.

Insightfull

Thanks

VaranisArano

pieratsos wrote: »

So if the timer didnt change it wasnt a nerf and it was a buff instead. And the reason why you dont seem to be able to find one available now is probably because its actually worth getting it now so more people are after them instead of just running past them like they did before.

As long as the timer actually didn't change, I agree with this.

I've got no problem with not finding active wells because other players are grabbing them.

Talcyndl

ilander wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

The timer is 5 minutes (source) according to @ZOS_BrianWheeler . But I am sure that is is bugged. There are so many bugs in this game...

Yeah i decided to wait at a well after taking it to see how long it took to come back up again. It was more like 9 minutes than 5 (had 21 mins left on my timer) so i'm guessing there's a problem with the timer or it is supposed to be closer to 10 and the wrong information has been passed on to us.

I think they are bugged. I just waited over 10 minutes after taking one (in the middle of nowhere) and it did not respawn. So, it's certainly not the announced 5 minutes, and even the old 10 minute respawn isn't happening consistently.

Edit to add: It respawned at 14 minutes.

Bashev

pieratsos wrote: »

So if the timer didnt change it wasnt a nerf and it was a buff instead. And the reason why you dont seem to be able to find one available now is probably because its actually worth getting it now so more people are after them instead of just running past them like they did before.

But now the buff is gone if you die. So it is not 100% buff.

pieratsos

Bashev wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

So if the timer didnt change it wasnt a nerf and it was a buff instead. And the reason why you dont seem to be able to find one available now is probably because its actually worth getting it now so more people are after them instead of just running past them like they did before.

But now the buff is gone if you die. So it is not 100% buff.

It lasted 10 minutes now it lasts 30 minutes while the respawn timer seems to be unchanged. This is 100% a buff. With 10 minutes duration it will very rarely last more than 1 fight whether you live or die. With 30 minutes its actually a reliable buff that can help you for a decent amount of time, hence why more players are after them now. If you die and lose the buff then nothing changes cause if it was a 10 minute buff, it would still run out anw.

VaranisArano

I've been sitting at an Ayleid Well on PC/NA Shor for the last 35 minutes. The well is on a 10 minute timer.

That's identical to the respawn time before the patch but does not account for Brian Wheeler saying that it was now on a 5 minute redrawn timer.