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Procs and Scaling and their impact on PvP imbalances
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again. Its basically forces me to hold block for the next 6 seconds because I don't want to eat a 5k suprise attack to my heavy armored face.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 24, 2018 5:32PM0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
The cc is the problem, fight a nb using soul harvest and see how much easier it is to survive.
The CC saves you 1gcd which is crazy when speaking about burst, the 20% is a nice feature, gives great pressure but the CC is what makes it possible to get 20k burst without people being able to react
Normal Burst with incap:
Ha+Incap ~8-12k dmg
La+Will/SA ~ 9-14k dmg
Then most people are out of cc and can defend and heal themselves again
With Soul harvest:
Ha+Fear ~ 3-4k dmg
LA+ SH ~ 7-11k dmg (enemy breaks cc after this)
This reduces the burst potential of NBs a lot and makes them more balanced overall
As there is 1 GCD more to react/ heal etc
I'd say remove Defile from Base skill and Soul Harvest and remove CC from incap while keeping the Defile.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah; ran into a stamblade running it also. At first I was like “oh ***; I’m getting ganked “ and started to dodge roll and get defensives and buffs up. Then I noticed they weren’t hitting real hard so I thought it was a new player. The I got hit by it. I actually cleansed it but
It seems like a fast DOT. Take a second to see it; it’s likely already ticked given latency, there’s a fraction of a second to react, another fraction of a second for the actual cleanse. It still got some ticks in. At the same time; if I know what to look for I could probably be faster on the ritual; but he also had some dots and debuffs on means there’s a chance it’s not cleansed.
Given most classes are not going to purge it. I find it a bit over the top; but it will get worse when the masses have it and you wind up with gap closing zergs and ball groups; or even a coordinated small man group all with Zaan spamming light attacks so some poor *** gets hit with multiple at once.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
The cc is the problem, fight a nb using soul harvest and see how much easier it is to survive.
The CC saves you 1gcd which is crazy when speaking about burst, the 20% is a nice feature, gives great pressure but the CC is what makes it possible to get 20k burst without people being able to react
Normal Burst with incap:
Ha+Incap ~8-12k dmg
La+Will/SA ~ 9-14k dmg
Then most people are out of cc and can defend and heal themselves again
With Soul harvest:
Ha+Fear ~ 3-4k dmg
LA+ SH ~ 7-11k dmg (enemy breaks cc after this)
This reduces the burst potential of NBs a lot and makes them more balanced overall
As there is 1 GCD more to react/ heal etc
I'd say remove Defile from Base skill and Soul Harvest and remove CC from incap while keeping the Defile.
To be honest every strong stamina ult has a CC attached to it.
DBoS, Take flight... It isn't something special to incap.0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah but no other stamclass has a high damage spammable or second nuke that can be mixed in instantly after the ult.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
The cc is the problem, fight a nb using soul harvest and see how much easier it is to survive.
The CC saves you 1gcd which is crazy when speaking about burst, the 20% is a nice feature, gives great pressure but the CC is what makes it possible to get 20k burst without people being able to react
Normal Burst with incap:
Ha+Incap ~8-12k dmg
La+Will/SA ~ 9-14k dmg
Then most people are out of cc and can defend and heal themselves again
With Soul harvest:
Ha+Fear ~ 3-4k dmg
LA+ SH ~ 7-11k dmg (enemy breaks cc after this)
This reduces the burst potential of NBs a lot and makes them more balanced overall
As there is 1 GCD more to react/ heal etc
I'd say remove Defile from Base skill and Soul Harvest and remove CC from incap while keeping the Defile.
To be honest every strong stamina ult has a CC attached to it.
DBoS, Take flight... It isn't something special to incap.
Jabs take 1 sec to channel, DK and sorc don't have a spammable and Stamwarden is a completely different nightmare.0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
Well... Incap and Cloak are problematic: Are Incap and Cloak too strong itself? Yes. Is a class without much healing and without pressure/dots good without them? Not really.
I think that stamnb is slighty overtuned currently (and magblade too) but calling them out in the same sentence with Zaan is a bit dramatic
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Its carry a detect pot or nbs will eat you alive basically. Thats how it works in open world, the place where nobody gives a damn about fighting fair. The place where you are alone against 5+ nightblades yet they still decide to abuse cloakspam on one dude, then hate whisper when they die
A few patches ago I got eaten alive by stam tanks who deleted half of my health with one ransack ^^
I don't like Cloak by myself but bowblade is unplayable without it. It's just a mess that ZOS doesn't give Nbs a defensive skill and rework Cloak into an escape only skill. Right now our defensive skill is our escape skill at the same time, that would be like removing Hardened Ward and attach it to Streak.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again. Its basically forces me to hold block for the next 6 seconds because I don't want to eat a 5k suprise attack to my heavy armored face.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
Heavy armor stamnb is so bad in this patch. Open world you just zerged down (unless you run forward momentum but without a burst heal they aren't as dangerous in duels anymore) and in duels you get deleted by magicka builds with pressure and/or defile. Would rate magnb as dueling god (if they are argonier and use duroks) but not heavy stamnb.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on February 24, 2018 6:16PMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree, I have noticed Caluurion hurt a lot, it's the same as viper was before its nerf for changing it in a dot. Procs sets were ok now with the nerfs, bu the olds problems are back now with these 2 sets.
Viper was a 100% on hit and wasn´t avoidable if the initial attack triggering it hit you on a 4s cd.
Caluurion is procc on crit with a 1s delay on a seperate projectile (the slowest in the game) that is dodgeable.
I´m not saying these sets are fine but i´d still take viper over caluurion if i had the option.<Noricum>
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
Well... Incap and Cloak are problematic: Are Incap and Cloak too strong itself? Yes. Is a class without much healing and without pressure/dots good without them? Not really.
I think that stamnb is slighty overtuned currently (and magblade too) but calling them out in the same sentence with Zaan is a bit dramaticRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Its carry a detect pot or nbs will eat you alive basically. Thats how it works in open world, the place where nobody gives a damn about fighting fair. The place where you are alone against 5+ nightblades yet they still decide to abuse cloakspam on one dude, then hate whisper when they die
A few patches ago I got eaten alive by stam tanks who deleted half of my health with one ransack ^^
I don't like Cloak by myself but bowblade is unplayable without it. It's just a mess that ZOS doesn't give Nbs a defensive skill and rework Cloak into an escape only skill. Right now our defensive skill is our escape skill at the same time, that would be like removing Hardened Ward and attach it to Streak.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again. Its basically forces me to hold block for the next 6 seconds because I don't want to eat a 5k suprise attack to my heavy armored face.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
Heavy armor stamnb is so bad in this patch. Open world you just zerged down (unless you run forward momentum but without a burst heal they aren't as dangerous in duels anymore) and in duels you get deleted by magicka builds with pressure and/or defile. Would rate magnb as dueling god (if they are argonier and use duroks) but not heavy stamnb.
Heavy armor itself is bad this patch, its not a nb specific thing, but we, the non cheese stam classes, have to deal with medium armor being squishy, so we make setups like armor master-bone pirate or fortified brass-agility, (or be fancy and use medium impreg, which is probably the best option against nightblades) just to make up for the lack of survivability in open world.
With that being said Heavy armor nb is still better than heavy armor stamDk or stamsorc , Simple truth is that having incap+suprise attack still beats having 2 pathetic dots or hurricane+RNGplosion, even in heavy.
And don't even get me started on why dizzy swing is the worst skill in the game.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 24, 2018 6:43PM0 -
Wrubius_Coronaria✭✭✭✭✭I agree, I have noticed Caluurion hurt a lot, it's the same as viper was before its nerf for changing it in a dot. Procs sets were ok now with the nerfs, bu the olds problems are back now with these 2 sets.
Viper was a 100% on hit and wasn´t avoidable if the initial attack triggering it hit you on a 4s cd.
Caluurion is procc on crit with a 1s delay on a seperate projectile (the slowest in the game) that is dodgeable.
I´m not saying these sets are fine but i´d still take viper over caluurion if i had the option.
The only time I fought someone with it, I was loosing around 5k or 6k without any visual indication (the problem also occur in afternoons with severals skills and low ping, I see nothing on my screen or no animation when I'm attacked sometimes, I have no idea if the problem is coming from my pc or is server side) of what was happening to me. Hence this why I compare this set to viper. I admit, for objectivity it's not really honest because they're quite different in their mechanics.
but in terms of damage when they proc, they're quite similar.
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
Well... Incap and Cloak are problematic: Are Incap and Cloak too strong itself? Yes. Is a class without much healing and without pressure/dots good without them? Not really.
I think that stamnb is slighty overtuned currently (and magblade too) but calling them out in the same sentence with Zaan is a bit dramaticRagnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Its carry a detect pot or nbs will eat you alive basically. Thats how it works in open world, the place where nobody gives a damn about fighting fair. The place where you are alone against 5+ nightblades yet they still decide to abuse cloakspam on one dude, then hate whisper when they die
A few patches ago I got eaten alive by stam tanks who deleted half of my health with one ransack ^^
I don't like Cloak by myself but bowblade is unplayable without it. It's just a mess that ZOS doesn't give Nbs a defensive skill and rework Cloak into an escape only skill. Right now our defensive skill is our escape skill at the same time, that would be like removing Hardened Ward and attach it to Streak.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Thankfully these sets are magicka based so the community can't blame stamina (and stamnb) for this procnonsense anymore. Just prey that magicka won't get nerfed as much as stamina because of proc sets.
some of the sets are so ridicilous that even on stamina toons they outperform everything else.
*cough Zaan *cough
Already met a stamnb using it, so much fun NOT
You get incapped, can't break free and get Zaan on top.
Although it's better on magnb with cripple and lotus fan and incap.
Its a nightmare on magblades.
They are already too strong without it, and you just can't run away from one.
Nah magblade is totally fine like really, you can't say that about stamnb or Zaan though
Stamnb is fine too :P A bit too strong when Cloak isn't countered and a bit too weak if Cloak is countered.
Stamnb would be fine once they remove the CC from incap :P
I don't think cloak is op or anything it's on the strong side of abilities and it's class defining however cloak with the burst potential gained through incap cc+will and SA is too much
CC is the least OP thing about incap to be honest. Its the %20 more damage taken when you're tagged by it, makes it really ridicilous, combined with the low cost. and then can basically abuse cloak spam till their incap is back up again. Its basically forces me to hold block for the next 6 seconds because I don't want to eat a 5k suprise attack to my heavy armored face.
Good thing most nbs aren't aware that their class is a dueling god when paired with heavy armor+ some dots.
Heavy armor stamnb is so bad in this patch. Open world you just zerged down (unless you run forward momentum but without a burst heal they aren't as dangerous in duels anymore) and in duels you get deleted by magicka builds with pressure and/or defile. Would rate magnb as dueling god (if they are argonier and use duroks) but not heavy stamnb.
Heavy armor itself is bad this patch, its not a nb specific thing, but we, the non cheese stam classes, have to deal with medium armor being squishy, so we make setups like armor master-bone pirate or fortified brass-agility, (or be fancy and use medium impreg, which is probably the best option against nightblades) just to make up for the lack of survivability in open world.
With that being said Heavy armor nb is still better than heavy armor stamDk or stamsorc , Simple truth is that having incap+suprise attack still beats having 2 pathetic dots or hurricane+RNGplosion, even in heavy.
And don't even get me started on why dizzy swing is the worst skill in the game.
It's a myth that nbs don't have to build for survivability. I stack a lot into survivability but in regen and not resistance because cloak and dodgeroll are very expensive. If you have high resistance and good healing you save a lot of ressources for not being forced to dodgeroll or cloak. Most rollerblades aim for around 1k magregen and 2.7-3.0k staminaregen, so you can't say that they don't invest into survivability, it just works different than on tanky builds (stacking into regen instead of resistance).
Edit: What I struggle against are builds with Impreg armor. I can't burst them and stamblades doesn't have anything beside burst. I don't know how Impreg builds are against pressure builds tho, I guess they aren't that strong against these.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on February 24, 2018 7:12PMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The only truly OP proc set atm is earthgore.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭✭The only truly OP proc set atm is earthgore.
It too is OP, but in a completely different way and circumstances0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
It is OP in every way and in every scenario:
No damage proc set comes close to the healing numbers of earthgore. Not even zaan.. which is single target and has a ramp up. Earthgore is an AOE instant zaan that procs when you need it most rather than randomly. It’s OP in 1v1, 4v4, and Zerg vs Zerg.
And compared to other healing sets? It’s just laughable how much stronger it is.
I’ve never seen a game designer put an item so ridiculously overpowered into a game. It’s ridiculous and it makes me lose faith in ZOS that it hasn’t been patched yet.
It’s the clearest indication that the game is becoming P2W. You’d think they wouldn’t be so obvious about it though... you’d think the item would only be a little OP, not a game changer that automatically determines who wins a fight.
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✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
It is OP in every way and in every scenario:
No damage proc set comes close to the healing numbers of earthgore. Not even zaan.. which is single target and has a ramp up. Earthgore is an AOE instant zaan that procs when you need it most rather than randomly. It’s OP in 1v1, 4v4, and Zerg vs Zerg.
And compared to other healing sets? It’s just laughable how much stronger it is.
I’ve never seen a game designer put an item so ridiculously overpowered into a game. It’s ridiculous and it makes me lose faith in ZOS that it hasn’t been patched yet.
It’s the clearest indication that the game is becoming P2W. You’d think they wouldn’t be so obvious about it though... you’d think the item would only be a little OP, not a game changer that automatically determines who wins a fight.
I agree. Its basically immortality whilst it is up, even for a single player it lets them do whatever for 3s. The only way it isn't OP is when outnumbered. But hell if a group runs it, then there are issues, because with enough people someone will nearly always be able to use it.
I say halve the healing but restore the old AoE clear. That way its a unique situational set that isn't just a clutch. Those who use it are often tankier builds, so you might be waiting for 30s before you can finish them, then it appears and you realize there is no point. Bonus points when used with a templar/warden healbot.Edited by ak_pvp on February 25, 2018 9:55AMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭Procs don't scale from raw stats.
If you want to increase a procs damage you need percentage amps from either Champion Points, Class Passives, or (de)buffs such as Minor Berserk, or Vulnerability.
The base damage for a full Zaan beam is 46440. Halve that for Battle Spirit and the base damage is 23220. If you are a full defensive build, there is no way that that is going to hit you for 20k.
The set is powerful, but it is nowhere near as strong as people seem to think it is.
Only 46k unbuffed tooltip from a 2 piece set. Oh the horrors. Not OP indeed.
We were once considering procs with 10k tooltips OP. Now 46k is balanced.
Lets aim for 100k proc sets by the end of 2018.Edited by pieratsos on February 25, 2018 8:46PM2