Puncturing Strikes and Red CP in U17

casparian · February 2018

Xeven wrote: »

Bruh, Jabs double dips damage CP, so too should Jabs mitigation be double dippin'.

GTFO with this nonsense. Are you *** serious right now?

Jabs is buffed by Thaumaturge, Mighty, and the first hit is buffed by Master at Arms. It is mitigated by Thick-Skinned, Hardy, and the first hit is mitigated by Ironclad. So it triple-dips in both damage CP and mitigation CP.

What we are talking about is that it now appears to be mitigated by Elemental Defender as well, even though it is not a magic damage skill and even though Elemental Expert does not buff it.

So what are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Thanks for bumping the thread at least.

Animus-ESO · March 2018

Not to mention the newest bug where jabs simply wont activate anymore. Please fix all of this.

caeliusstarbreaker · March 2018

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

UppGRAYxDD · March 2018

All is well, this is following the general ZoS trend of nerfing templars. Even when we are supposed to get a buff or no nerfs, we still catch nerfs through bugs...

Trinity_Is_My_Name · March 2018

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Not to mention the newest bug where jabs simply wont activate anymore. Please fix all of this.

Yep. Templars are busted big time since Mondays small patch. Thanks ZOS! And I have yet to see any acknowledgement of this from ZOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRrJZIwSBuI

Minno · March 2018

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

That's what Cinbri was asking too. He was trying to get Zos to comment on why CWC sweeps/jabs was higher DMG than DnB sweeps/jabs under the exactly the same conditions.

Basically it was passed on and we haven't heard since.

caeliusstarbreaker · March 2018

Minno wrote: »

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caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

That's what Cinbri was asking too. He was trying to get Zos to comment on why CWC sweeps/jabs was higher DMG than DnB sweeps/jabs under the exactly the same conditions.

Basically it was passed on and we haven't heard since.

Yea I’m just doubling down on his question. I had heard ele def was mitigating jabs so I wanted to rule that out. I know the calculation retooling was supposed to do something to make it scale properly with minor vulnerability, so I think that might be doing something in conjunction with minor protection. I’ve noticed on some nb’s, and Templars my jab dmg dips off exponentially. Specifically after a cloak as well.

Cinbri · March 2018

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

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Minno wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

That's what Cinbri was asking too. He was trying to get Zos to comment on why CWC sweeps/jabs was higher DMG than DnB sweeps/jabs under the exactly the same conditions.

Basically it was passed on and we haven't heard since.

Yea I’m just doubling down on his question. I had heard ele def was mitigating jabs so I wanted to rule that out. I know the calculation retooling was supposed to do something to make it scale properly with minor vulnerability, so I think that might be doing something in conjunction with minor protection. I’ve noticed on some nb’s, and Templars my jab dmg dips off exponentially. Specifically after a cloak as well.

Damn, I was wasted so much time on testing cp bug and other bugged stuff that forgot to see if anything made wrong with those buffs vs jabs after vulnerability debuff stoped being additive. And now it will be very lonh to do test without having pre-update numbers for proove-base.
In worse scenario might happen same what happened with vulnerability that became from 4~% into flat 8%.
Anyway zos yet didnt comment nor on this cp "problem" nor on new bug of desynced damage that affect jabs more than other dd skills.

caeliusstarbreaker · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

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Minno wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

That's what Cinbri was asking too. He was trying to get Zos to comment on why CWC sweeps/jabs was higher DMG than DnB sweeps/jabs under the exactly the same conditions.

Basically it was passed on and we haven't heard since.

Yea I’m just doubling down on his question. I had heard ele def was mitigating jabs so I wanted to rule that out. I know the calculation retooling was supposed to do something to make it scale properly with minor vulnerability, so I think that might be doing something in conjunction with minor protection. I’ve noticed on some nb’s, and Templars my jab dmg dips off exponentially. Specifically after a cloak as well.

Damn, I was wasted so much time on testing cp bug and other bugged stuff that forgot to see if anything made wrong with those buffs vs jabs after vulnerability debuff stoped being additive. And now it will be very lonh to do test without having pre-update numbers for proove-base.
In worse scenario might happen same what happened with vulnerability that became from 4~% into flat 8%.
Anyway zos yet didnt comment nor on this cp "problem" nor on new bug of desynced damage that affect jabs more than other dd skills.

According to patch notes and everything.. the calculations were supposed to only make it so it scales properly with minor vulnerability. So if the math holds true there we should be getting higher dmg with minor vulnerability up and less with minor protection. None of that however explains why overall damage has gone down.

Minno · March 2018

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

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Minno wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Did some testing last night. In the isolated tests I did elemental defender was not reducing the damage of biting jabs specifically. Master at arms and ironclad are irrelevant cp I’m regards to jabs specifically. Both thick skinned and hardy are working against jabs, where mighty and thaum are increasing its damage.

Now the only question that remains is why the damage, after calculation change, is lower than previous?

That's what Cinbri was asking too. He was trying to get Zos to comment on why CWC sweeps/jabs was higher DMG than DnB sweeps/jabs under the exactly the same conditions.

Basically it was passed on and we haven't heard since.

Yea I’m just doubling down on his question. I had heard ele def was mitigating jabs so I wanted to rule that out. I know the calculation retooling was supposed to do something to make it scale properly with minor vulnerability, so I think that might be doing something in conjunction with minor protection. I’ve noticed on some nb’s, and Templars my jab dmg dips off exponentially. Specifically after a cloak as well.

Interesting about jabs losing DMG on minor protection.

But yea, I understand the due diligence!

#TemplarsUnite!

Grimlok_S · March 2018

bump

James-Wayne · March 2018

Its ok next chapter Templar gets a new race that fixes everything snd provides spell crit and magic damage buffs! ☺

Ariades_swe · March 2018

Bump

Cinbri · March 2018

casparian · March 2018

Cinbri wrote: »

Exactly. I don't believe Gina and others haven't seen this thread, and it boggles me that no one has taken the time to reply "we've seen this and are working on it". It's as simple as that, even if they can't find a fix immediately. Maybe I was naive, but I'm genuinely surprised at the lack of response this has gotten.

Minno · March 2018

casparian wrote: »

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Cinbri wrote: »

Exactly. I don't believe Gina and others haven't seen this thread, and it boggles me that no one has taken the time to reply "we've seen this and are working on it". It's as simple as that, even if they can't find a fix immediately. Maybe I was naive, but I'm genuinely surprised at the lack of response this has gotten.

Just because no one saw it in crowns discord (not intended to call Gina/ZoS out on it but for FYI)

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Grimlok_S · March 2018

Soo any action? Fixes?

Cinbri · March 2018

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Soo any action? Fixes?

I guess it depends on if they managed to figure it out.

Dyride · March 2018

Any word on Templar? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Wrobel

Cinbri · April 2018

I see image hosting deleted my pictures.. Will test if it still bugged and worth reupload.

Cinbri · September 2018

Data restored.