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Cyrodiil exploit
DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER
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Ad emp exploited his way to get emp today while everyone was sitting in a 500+ queue...
He should know something isnt right and stop exploiting (playing) like the ic exp exploit right?
He should know something isnt right and stop exploiting (playing) like the ic exp exploit right?
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JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NO, not his fault no one can get on, I did the same when Vivec opened, got EMP on an empty server5 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This wasn't an exploit, this is combo of zeni's crap coding and crap communication / responsiveness. But you're right that it seems similar to the IC XP situation. If they punish people for benefiting from their own ineptitude , where do they draw the line? The punitive attitude they've shown before could easily be applied to the AD who ran the map last night, or to anyone who stayed and played in Vivec after it became clear that the pop was bugged.
I'd like to think they'd use more sense than that, but history has taught me not to put too much stock in Zeni's decision making.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche6 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no way to tell if someone that never logged out knew the queue was busted . With that in mind a campaign reset would be fair for everyone that could not log in and defend . It's best to avoid banning players for bugs out of their control and possibly knowledge . I could not login last either and I'm AD . The bug was effecting every faction . Those that did not log out obviously reaped an advantage but we do not know if knowingly or not .2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.9 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS wanted to roll-back the Cyrodiil servers, they would.
In the meantime, let's not pretend that if it were our faction benefiting from high population, we'd have continued playing blissfully unaware or simply not caring that the other factions were being steadily locked out of queue.4 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.
So what would you do @Ackwalan ? Would you ban every AD player and guild that did not log out last night ? If that took place then there will be little to no AD faction left in Cyrodiil . All over something no one has proof of anyone intentionally took advantage of . Some players reported having no idea there was a problem until they logged out and tried to log back in . So what would be your punishment fitting for these players ?3 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.
So what would you do ? Would you ban every AD player and guild that did not log out last night ? If that took place then there will be little to no AD faction left in Cyrodiil . All over something no one has proof of anyone intentionally took advantage of . Some players reported having no idea there was a problem until they logged out and tried to log back in . So what would be your punishment fitting for these players ?
I would stop making excuses and reset the campaigns.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.
So what would you do ? Would you ban every AD player and guild that did not log out last night ? If that took place then there will be little to no AD faction left in Cyrodiil . All over something no one has proof of anyone intentionally took advantage of . Some players reported having no idea there was a problem until they logged out and tried to log back in . So what would be your punishment fitting for these players ?
I would stop making excuses and reset the campaigns.
Who's making excuses ? I've already written the CM and asked for a reset .2 -
kwinter✭✭✭How can you punish players for just player the game normally. I get it when the player take action to cause a bug that are to their advantage and should be ban for that, but just logging on and playing the game normally is not reason to ban someone. Like some player said the best thing ZOS can do is reset the campaigns. This is on ZOS. I mean if you are going to ban players when something in the game goes wrong through no action of their own then you would be banning everyone at some point.
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Dont_do_drugs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
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LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.3 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.
So what would you do @Ackwalan ? Would you ban every AD player and guild that did not log out last night ? If that took place then there will be little to no AD faction left in Cyrodiil . All over something no one has proof of anyone intentionally took advantage of . Some players reported having no idea there was a problem until they logged out and tried to log back in . So what would be your punishment fitting for these players ?
I was there last night, at least until my group realized how bad the it was and that it was indeed a bug and just went to IC. I was more than happy to do that even thought my toon was close to the next Alliance rank and it would have been easy to go farm easy AP for another 30-45 minutes and get her toher next rank. But I didn't. There wasn't really anything we could do, we waited to see if the DC and EP pops increased and they didn't, we then checked the forum to see what was going on, but we didn't stay in Cyro all night. But honestly how are you going to deal with that? If it was near the end of the campaign where AD could have really made a difference, sure, roll back some of the eval points. But the way things have been going in Vivec lately for AD, it's laughable to think they really are going to have a big advantage in this campaign somehow just because EP and DC had a low pop night due to a bug on the first day of the campaign. Also, that guy that emp'd? Well, at least he wasn't paying people to emp him. And if it was AD that had the bug, do you really, seriously think EP and DC wouldn't all over the map and taking our scrolls and emping? Puh-leeze.
BTW, if anyone wants to get all pearl-clutching over this, the main reason I play AD and not DC and EP is because I played all three when I first got into pvp, because like many I was only pvpíng at first to get caltrops or war horn or whatever. With DC I helped someone emp in Almalexia where we literally ran around and took keeps and ran, didn't even bother to repair, the emp guy was totally exploiting the low pop there too and laughing his ass off all the way. With EP, I was in a pug group that emp'd someone who had a rep for getting other EP players banned so he could get his toons emp'd. Didn't run into stuff like that with AD--not saying there aren't players like that, it's just somehow after playing AD for a few months now I still haven't run into them yet while with DC and EP it was like as soon as I entered Cyro I was playing alongside players like that. Oh and I have yet to run into AD players who got paid for helping someone emp, in Vivec or any campaign. So there's that BS too. This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.Edited by jssriot on February 17, 2018 5:31PMPC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.10 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.2 -
Dont_do_drugs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.
did u read the thread headline?
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They can only bla-bla and waste gold on feeding their ego. I am disappointed."
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Dont_do_drugs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.
i also dont know whats unfair about that.
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They can only bla-bla and waste gold on feeding their ego. I am disappointed."
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Here we go again. All the excuses of why exploiting a bug is somehow someone's else fault.
So what would you do @Ackwalan ? Would you ban every AD player and guild that did not log out last night ? If that took place then there will be little to no AD faction left in Cyrodiil . All over something no one has proof of anyone intentionally took advantage of . Some players reported having no idea there was a problem until they logged out and tried to log back in . So what would be your punishment fitting for these players ?
I was there last night, at least until my group realized how bad the it was and that it was indeed a bug and just went to IC. I was more than happy to do that even thought my toon was close to the next Alliance rank and it would have been easy to go farm easy AP for another 30-45 minutes and get her toher next rank. But I didn't. There wasn't really anything we could do, we waited to see if the DC and EP pops increased and they didn't, we then checked the forum to see what was going on, but we didn't stay in Cyro all night. But honestly how are you going to deal with that? If it was near the end of the campaign where AD could have really made a difference, sure, roll back some of the eval points. But the way things have been going in Vivec lately for AD, it's laughable to think they really are going to have a big advantage in this campaign somehow just because EP and DC had a low pop night due to a bug on the first day of the campaign. Also, that guy that emp'd? Well, at least he wasn't paying people to emp him. And if it was AD that had the bug, do you really, seriously think EP and DC wouldn't all over the map and taking our scrolls and emping? Puh-leeze.
BTW, if anyone wants to get all pearl-clutching over this, the main reason I play AD and not DC and EP is because I played all three when I first got into pvp, because like many I was only pvpíng at first to get caltrops or war horn or whatever. With DC I helped someone emp in Almalexia where we literally ran around and took keeps and ran, didn't even bother to repair, the emp guy was totally exploiting the low pop there too and laughing his ass off all the way. With EP, I was in a pug group that emp'd someone who had a rep for getting other EP players banned so he could get his toons emp'd. Didn't run into stuff like that with AD--not saying there aren't players like that, it's just somehow after playing AD for a few months now I still haven't run into them yet while with DC and EP it was like as soon as I entered Cyro I was playing alongside players like that. Oh and I have yet to run into AD players who got paid for helping someone emp, in Vivec or any campaign. So there's that BS too. This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Funny how they'll probably ban innocent people for this 'exploit', yet they don't fix the kill wall exploit that many pvpers have been reported for abusing yet still walk around the map freely
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I call for a ban on all that call for bans on others.
Just quit crying and dethrone, the campaign just started. Geez...Edited by TequilaFire on February 17, 2018 5:39PM3 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.
did u read the thread headline?
The thread headline is wrong.Dont_do_drugs wrote: »This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.
i also dont know whats unfair about that.
The indestructible second floor part.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Ad emp exploited his way to get emp today while everyone was sitting in a 500+ queue...
He should know something isnt right and stop exploiting (playing) like the ic exp exploit right?
If he's in, how would he know everyone else is stuck in the queue or how big the queue is?
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Dont_do_drugs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.
did u read the thread headline?
The thread headline is wrong.Dont_do_drugs wrote: »This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.
i also dont know whats unfair about that.
The indestructible second floor part.
for the first: yeh and i asked, where the exploit is, bcs there hasnt been any.
for the second: i dont see it. if u can go up to second floor u can do so. thats it. if the ones up on the floor are stronger than the ones coming after them, they are just stronger. there are a couple of areas where u can hide a while or where u can defend. its also a problem of the people running up there, since its useless for campaign play. so let them defend their second floor fgs.
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They can only bla-bla and waste gold on feeding their ego. I am disappointed."
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LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Ad emp exploited his way to get emp today while everyone was sitting in a 500+ queue...
He should know something isnt right and stop exploiting (playing) like the ic exp exploit right?
If he's in, how would he know everyone else is stuck in the queue or how big the queue is?
Similarly, the queue issue was affecting AD as well. AD just happened to win the "how many people are logging off" roulette on a night where Ruin and TD and other big zergs do their usual big fight nights. Queues were getting insanely high for everyone. It was a server problem, not an exploit.3 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.
did u read the thread headline?
The thread headline is wrong.Dont_do_drugs wrote: »This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.
i also dont know whats unfair about that.
The indestructible second floor part.
for the first: yeh and i asked, where the exploit is, bcs there hasnt been any.
for the second: i dont see it. if u can go up to second floor u can do so. thats it. if the ones up on the floor are stronger than the ones coming after them, they are just stronger. there are a couple of areas where u can hide a while or where u can defend. its also a problem of the people running up there, since its useless for campaign play. so let them defend their second floor fgs.
It's not that the ones on the second floor are stronger. It's that the ones on the first floor have to run through a house of AOE and bomb spam to reach the stairs in the back just to get to the second floor, all the while being unable to target the people on the second floor due to guardrails blocking line of sight (but not the second floor's AOE casts). It's a problem for campaign play because this farmhouse sits immediately outside a core keep that severs all connection to the Emperor race.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
Look, now you brought in the bloodhounds because someone mentioned exploit.
Nevermind little one, there are no exploits to be found here. Just rampant jumping to conclusions.
did u read the thread headline?
The thread headline is wrong.Dont_do_drugs wrote: »This is why I choose AD, because people there seems more likely interested in playing the Alliance war and not being ***. So anyone who wants to lecture me on how AD doesn't play fair can royally go *** themselves. Any moral grandstanding from EP and DC apologists has zero cred with me.
Especially when EP's idea of playing fairly is camping the second floor of an indestructible farmhouse.
i also dont know whats unfair about that.
The indestructible second floor part.
for the first: yeh and i asked, where the exploit is, bcs there hasnt been any.
for the second: i dont see it. if u can go up to second floor u can do so. thats it. if the ones up on the floor are stronger than the ones coming after them, they are just stronger. there are a couple of areas where u can hide a while or where u can defend. its also a problem of the people running up there, since its useless for campaign play. so let them defend their second floor fgs.
It's not that the ones on the second floor are stronger. It's that the ones on the first floor have to run through a house of AOE and bomb spam to reach the stairs in the back just to get to the second floor, all the while being unable to target the people on the second floor due to guardrails blocking line of sight (but not the second floor's AOE casts). It's a problem for campaign play because this farmhouse sits immediately outside a core keep that severs all connection to the Emperor race.
u HAVE TO what? is this house important for campaign? all i see is seemingly people HAVING TO BE ...idiots. are they able to siege from there? are they able to do...whatever there? no. its not the problem of the people who are farming ap, when people are gladly giving their ap to them.Edited by Dont_do_drugs on February 17, 2018 5:48PM
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They can only bla-bla and waste gold on feeding their ego. I am disappointed."
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here's what it looked like for DC trying to get in
This is what it allowed AD to do:
With this headstart, basically a day of PvDoor. The integrity of the campaign is ruined and needs to be reset NOW.
From a design perspective, All keeps should be reset to defaults at the end of a campaign anyway.3 -
LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Here's what it looked like for DC trying to get in
AD had the same high queues. People waited them out and got in eventually. The difference is the forces that did get in were better at keep taking for AD than the other two factions. It was luck of the draw, half our guild couldn't get on and several members crashed or DCed only to be stuck in a 256 person queue.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »where is the exploit?
sincerely yours, a pact player.
The supposed exploit is that ZOS bugged out the queues, causing anyone trying to get into Cyrodiil to be sitting in endless queues. Due to AD having the largest active population at the time when people started to be locked out (not usual, AD usually has a solid night-time population) AD benefited the most which was exacerbated by AD being able to rush the map and crown an emp, so that DC and EP players logged off and found themselves unable to log back in.
Its pretty much entirely chance that AD was the faction that benefited the most from the timing, and I think its foolish to pretend that DC and EP wouldn't have done the same thing in AD's place.
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flubber77✭✭✭✭OMFG, Always u complain about ad but u never get to se what your own faction do? from 22/23 ad and ep was shut out from vivec EU and did have 1 bar each untill morning, blues did have full surver with full raids running and flip the map blue and if u did get a resource 40 blues was there in a min to take it back. if someone have suffered from this its ad and EP..Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Here's what it looked like for DC trying to get in
This is what it allowed AD to do:
With this headstart, basically a day of PvDoor. The integrity of the campaign is ruined and needs to be reset NOW.
From a design perspective, All keeps should be reset to defaults at the end of a campaign anyway.
But ehy, DC NEVER ZERG, DC NEVER CRY if they get killed, DC NEVER......Still a grudge, only to see false what u want and nothing less.0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OMFG, Always u complain about ad but u never get to se what your own faction do? from 22/23 ad and ep was shut out from vivec EU and did have 1 bar each untill morning, blues did have full surver with full raids running and flip the map blue and if u did get a resource 40 blues was there in a min to take it back. if someone have suffered from this its ad and EP..Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Here's what it looked like for DC trying to get in
This is what it allowed AD to do:
With this headstart, basically a day of PvDoor. The integrity of the campaign is ruined and needs to be reset NOW.
From a design perspective, All keeps should be reset to defaults at the end of a campaign anyway.
But ehy, DC NEVER ZERG, DC NEVER CRY if they get killed, DC NEVER......
Dude. Take a breath. I'm on PC NA. AD had the place to themselves. If DC on EU got to pvdoor and got an unfair headstart then that campaign needs to be reset too.
this has nothing to do with faction. Both NA and EU campaigns had a bug and need reset.0