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BroanBeast1215

CyrusArya wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

BS. You run dual wield or 2 hand? You have an execute.

Dual wield, without spin to win.

inb4 rending is your execute

ManDraKE

Thogard wrote: »

Only 42 kills? Those are rookie numbers!



Jk man that looks like a good game. I did not know atmosphere was you.

yeah, getting kills when you are playing with a guardplar babysitting all match and debuffing with duroks, ends up with scores like that lol

No hate, but going to BGs with a group on tryhard mode with guard and such it will only end in pugstomping.

Thogard

Joy_Division wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Absolutely love em. People thinks no CP makes it more balanced, in reality it makes it less and exaggerates the imbalances. But. It makes it an even playing ground and faster paced (artificially).

Case in point:

Only 42 kills? Those are rookie numbers!



Jk man that looks like a good game. I did not know atmosphere was you.

You killed someone with Drain Health lol.

Yeah I use 2x health drain poisons in no cp and 2x dmg health poisons in CP

Baconlad

I want to point out the glaring issues with BGs, no CP BGs and PVP in general.

Everyone claims that stamina is balanced. But...I don't see it.

Look at these two players screenshots. 40+ kills. Don't get me wrong I know both of them, and they are both absolutely amazing players who push the boundaries of any class and spec they put their hands on.

But they both take screenies, both highly prideful, that they rofl stomped BGs. As a magplar main for three years, this is ridiculous that stamina is able to get such high kills.

Non CP had encouraged even more stamina builds than it already did. Good luck playing a magplar, magdk, mag warden or magblade and getting kills like that. I don't care how good you are, it's not happening.

It's ok though, stamina toons like BGs due to how much all BG modes support everything stamina has to offer. Faster running for flag/ relic games and getting away from death in deathmatch. Superior healing through a massive hot that allows offensive play while they are healing. Superior damage mitigation through snare removal and dodge roll, more stamina to block with. Faster heavy attack animations for superior stamina regen. Superior ultimate, which is a high burst cheap ultimate that's instant...something no one except magdk and magblade have...Even then they are worse ultimates that DBOS.

All of these issues are compounded in no CP.

Since the majority or skilled PvPers have slowly been swapping to stamina for about a year and a half now, the amount of players who will accually make these issues known is very low. All of these players will state that magic is so much stronger or even balanced....while they continue to post 40+ kills images of BGs on the forums. Let me get the absolute best magplar NA to come to a BG and get 40 kills. Especially in no CP. Good luck!

Until we start to recognize these glaring issues, battlegrounds will continue to be dominated by stamina, with more and more magic players building to be the "supertank healers" these same stamina players complain about, when the stamina meta is the only reason the small amount of magic toons that are left build for tank...cept NBs and Magsorc...They get to still have fun

Joy_Division

Baconlad wrote: »

I want to point out the glaring issues with BGs, no CP BGs and PVP in general.

Everyone claims that stamina is balanced. But...I don't see it.

Look at these two players screenshots. 40+ kills. Don't get me wrong I know both of them, and they are both absolutely amazing players who push the boundaries of any class and spec they put their hands on.

But they both take screenies, both highly prideful, that they rofl stomped BGs. As a magplar main for three years, this is ridiculous that stamina is able to get such high kills.

Non CP had encouraged even more stamina builds than it already did. Good luck playing a magplar, magdk, mag warden or magblade and getting kills like that. I don't care how good you are, it's not happening.

It's ok though, stamina toons like BGs due to how much all BG modes support everything stamina has to offer. Faster running for flag/ relic games and getting away from death in deathmatch. Superior healing through a massive hot that allows offensive play while they are healing. Superior damage mitigation through snare removal and dodge roll, more stamina to block with. Faster heavy attack animations for superior stamina regen. Superior ultimate, which is a high burst cheap ultimate that's instant...something no one except magdk and magblade have...Even then they are worse ultimates that DBOS.

All of these issues are compounded in no CP.

Since the majority or skilled PvPers have slowly been swapping to stamina for about a year and a half now, the amount of players who will accually make these issues known is very low. All of these players will state that magic is so much stronger or even balanced....while they continue to post 40+ kills images of BGs on the forums. Let me get the absolute best magplar NA to come to a BG and get 40 kills. Especially in no CP. Good luck!

Until we start to recognize these glaring issues, battlegrounds will continue to be dominated by stamina, with more and more magic players building to be the "supertank healers" these same stamina players complain about, when the stamina meta is the only reason the small amount of magic toons that are left build for tank...cept NBs and Magsorc...They get to still have fun

I don;t disagree with this general sentiment.

But what you are writing is the consequence of overnerfing classes and then throwing them in a game-play environment designed for completely different parameters.

Stamina has always been strong in small scale and magplars have been nerfed such that it's a melee class with bad DPS and no means of preventing incoming damage. It's a terrible combination that basically screams roll an Argonian and be a pocket healer. As other poster have noted before, no CP does not magically fix these issues the way people who hate CP want to believe, rather it put them into sharper relief and magnifies them.

CyrusArya

@Baconlad

Stamina is not op. Dont compare magplar, a class clearly designed to excel at group support and healing, to builds oriented and created for solo and small scale pvp. Also, don't take those 40 kill bgs at face value. My point wasn't to demonstrate how OP stam sorc is, it was to demonstrate how imbalanced no CP pvp is. That BG was a perfect storm if you will, no pun intended. What you're seeing is the result of overwhelming dot pressure combined with 2 heal debuff support builds (duroks mag dk, mag warden). The thing OP in this scenario isn't the stam sorc. Its the heal debuff mechanics and sets that were created in context of CP healing, introduced into a controlled no CP environment. Its the heal debuffs amplifying the DoT pressure without champion points that is op. Not any one thing in isolation. That and also a pre made 3 man group vs pugs, even if in my screenshot most of those players were CP capped.

Don't take this as evidence stam is op, thats not my point or experience. Take this as evidence that the game is based around champion point gameplay and has been tailored to that. You can't just remove the cps and expect it to be balanced when the game has been fundamentally designed around the champion system.

Brutusmax1mus

Waffennacht wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Absolutely love em. People thinks no CP makes it more balanced, in reality it makes it less and exaggerates the imbalances. But. It makes it an even playing ground and faster paced (artificially).

Case in point:

Dude, your score blows.

I'm guessing you're just like @Lexxypwns and would rather fight than get the points!!

Pfff under 2k score

BUUUURNNNNN

Thogard

CyrusArya wrote: »

@Baconlad

Stamina is not op. Dont compare magplar, a class clearly designed to excel at group support and healing, to builds oriented and created for solo and small scale pvp. Also, don't take those 40 kill bgs at face value. My point wasn't to demonstrate how OP stam sorc is, it was to demonstrate how imbalanced no CP pvp is. That BG was a perfect storm if you will, no pun intended. What you're seeing is the result of overwhelming dot pressure combined with 2 heal debuff support builds (duroks mag dk, mag warden). The thing OP in this scenario isn't the stam sorc. Its the heal debuff mechanics and sets that were created in context of CP healing, introduced into a controlled no CP environment. Its the heal debuffs amplifying the DoT pressure without champion points that is op. Not any one thing in isolation. That and also a pre made 3 man group vs pugs, even if in my screenshot most of those players were CP capped.

Don't take this as evidence stam is op, thats not my point or experience. Take this as evidence that the game is based around champion point gameplay and has been tailored to that. You can't just remove the cps and expect it to be balanced when the game has been fundamentally designed around the champion system.

Agreed.

Also, if you want to get over 35 kills, you need to not have to be worried about roots and stuns. If there was no timelimit, i think mag would be better.. especially mag sorc b/c of all the kill stealing potential...

but with 15 min max to wrack up as many kills as possible, stam doesn't need as much time to 'recharge' in between fights as mag does.

Derra

As long as there is no seperate solo + grp queue + seperate leaderboards it´s not going to work out fine (except for groups that love to farm solos).

Feanor

@Thogard

Your character name seems highly accurate though if you look at that score card.

PhoenixGrey

CyrusArya wrote: »

Stamina is not op. Dont compare magplar, a class clearly designed to excel at group support and healing, to builds oriented and created for solo and small scale pvp. Also, don't take those 40 kill bgs at face value. My point wasn't to demonstrate how OP stam sorc is, it was to demonstrate how imbalanced no CP pvp is. That BG was a perfect storm if you will, no pun intended. What you're seeing is the result of overwhelming dot pressure combined with 2 heal debuff support builds (duroks mag dk, mag warden). The thing OP in this scenario isn't the stam sorc. Its the heal debuff mechanics and sets that were created in context of CP healing, introduced into a controlled no CP environment. Its the heal debuffs amplifying the DoT pressure without champion points that is op. Not any one thing in isolation. That and also a pre made 3 man group vs pugs, even if in my screenshot most of those players were CP capped.

Don't take this as evidence stam is op, thats not my point or experience. Take this as evidence that the game is based around champion point gameplay and has been tailored to that. You can't just remove the cps and expect it to be balanced when the game has been fundamentally designed around the champion system.

I would say stam is more OP in the more relevant things of PVP. You said it yourself "Magplar is a class designed to excel at group support and healing". Why does ZOS need to keep nerfing classes such that they become support classes ?
I am not against the idea of a support class but why not give the choice to a player on how the class should be played rather than forcing it.

Burst damage is the most important aspect of PVP and 4 mag classes already don't possess it.

The magden nerf was unwarranted and now most people are playing it like a support class now. Congrats to all the whiners. In No CP the magden can't dodge roll consistently to land the deep fissures nor sprint unless you are playing against complete noobs. Birds were a good finisher which is now dodgeable. So does not work on competent players

Mag sorc burst damage has been nerfed so much that its another future support class.

Magblade can still put out some damage for now but I don't see a bright future for it

Mag dk's lack mobility in open world.

PhoenixGrey

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Gralor

As others have said before, premade groups of 2, 3 or 4 should never be allowed to be grouped up against groups of single-queuers. Never. It causes a huge imbalance and only leads to players leaving BGs for good.

I’ve experienced both sides of the coin and would rather see an empty queue than joining a rofl-stomp match due to this ridiculous matchmaking.

Feanor

ESO_Blash wrote: »

As others have said before, premade groups of 2, 3 or 4 should never be allowed to be grouped up against groups of single-queuers. Never. It causes a huge imbalance and only leads to players leaving BGs for good.

I’ve experienced both sides of the coin and would rather see an empty queue than joining a rofl-stomp match due to this ridiculous matchmaking.

On the plus side you get 7k AP just for twiddling your thumbs now. Not that bad.

Gralor

Feanor wrote: »

ESO_Blash wrote: »

As others have said before, premade groups of 2, 3 or 4 should never be allowed to be grouped up against groups of single-queuers. Never. It causes a huge imbalance and only leads to players leaving BGs for good.

I’ve experienced both sides of the coin and would rather see an empty queue than joining a rofl-stomp match due to this ridiculous matchmaking.

On the plus side you get 7k AP just for twiddling your thumbs now. Not that bad.

At least we get that, yes. It’s a scrap of comfort. But still hardly worth it.

Thogard

Feanor wrote: »

@Thogard

Your character name seems highly accurate though if you look at that score card.

Yeah cause I aid people with my sick heal

Hutch679

CyrusArya wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

BS. You run dual wield or 2 hand? You have an execute.

Dual wield, without spin to win.

Go read the passives for dw. You use any dw skills? You use an execute. Or you don't know the game mechanics very well.

Emmagoldman

Am I the only that when someone makes a 1 v x video or shares a pic of crazy kill counter, you think, "dont be me, dont be me, dont be me." Blah blah, 43 kills. Me, 0 kills and 43 deaths!

CyrusArya

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Am I the only that when someone makes a 1 v x video or shares a pic of crazy kill counter, you think, "dont be me, dont be me, dont be me." Blah blah, 43 kills. Me, 0 kills and 43 deaths!

While I can’t help you with bgs, there’s an age old technique to prevent getting 1vXed: don’t Xv1 people. EZ

Emmagoldman

^ its more of a joke, I usually do decent

NyassaV

In the CP vs Non CP I'm rather indifferent. I dislike non CP a bit more because I can't sprint on a magic build but less tanks

Thogard

CyrusArya wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Am I the only that when someone makes a 1 v x video or shares a pic of crazy kill counter, you think, "dont be me, dont be me, dont be me." Blah blah, 43 kills. Me, 0 kills and 43 deaths!

While I can’t help you with bgs, there’s an age old technique to prevent getting 1vXed: don’t Xv1 people. EZ

This technique, originally developed by Socrates in 532bc, was further refined by the ancient romans during their conquest of the Gauls. But it wasn’t until 1811 when George Washington uttered the words for which he is famous for - “Don’t Zerg me bro” - that this technique gained modern appeal among militaries and gamers.

The more you know.

ToRelax

Hollery wrote: »

In the CP vs Non CP I'm rather indifferent. I dislike non CP a bit more because I can't sprint on a magic build but less tanks

Use Prisoner's Rags instead of a damage set - you will be able to sprint better than ever, and your enemies will feel tankier, too!