Am I getting what I deserve for being a ganker?

chaserstorm16909

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

Sixty5

Why are you complaining?

A guy is going out of his way to act like a scrub in order to be bait for you.

CavalryPK

not unless you gank then teabag.

magictucktuck

most likely its some potatoes you killed when they were on another alliance. most i get when i gank is hate whispers

Armatesz

Honestly if someone acts like that, then that is unsporting behavior. I typically don't gank myself, but ganking is an actual strategy so it is a viable one at that.

Stovahkiin

Sixty5 wrote: »

Why are you complaining?

A guy is going out of his way to act like a scrub in order to be bait for you.

This, think of it the other way around; he’s trying to do you a favor

chaserstorm16909

CavalryPK wrote: »

not unless you gank then teabag.

I never tea bag in any situation.

Hurtfan

Ganking is part of PvP....I hate it, just like bombing but there are ways to combat it, you learn to deal with it but it's still hard to stop...

You're using the strengths of your toon, shame on you

And when it comes to war, honor schmonor...

chaserstorm16909

Sixty5 wrote: »

Why are you complaining?

A guy is going out of his way to act like a scrub in order to be bait for you.

Now that you mention it, that did happen to me once in IC. When I noticed the other faction closing in on my position I quickly took off, and the guy swinging his sword got killed by them. LOL.

Kanar

Well the code of the ganker is, as someone posted earlier, "honor schmonor."

So I don't think a ganker has much room to complain about treasonous or dishonorable behavior.

MrGarlic

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable.

[SNIP}

Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

@chaserstorm16909

Firstly I want to point out that there is NO ganking in a war zone. What you are performing is known as 'Ambush.'

All characters who enter Cyrodiil can ambush from stealth, if they choose to. It is not the exclusive domain of Nightblades.

Your character has special skills that enable it to perform better at ambush tactics than others. It is entirely honourable to use stealthy tactics to take advantage of your skills. Indeed it is the purpose of the Nightblade.

So no, it is not dishonourable and you are not a shameless ganker.

Is a sniper considered dishonourable in real warfare? Certainly not. It is a respected profession. Hated yes, but not without respect.

So 'ambush' away to your heart's content. It is your calling; it is your life.

Enemies will hate you, allies will love you.

As for the scrub who you mentioned in your post, I am reminded of one of the rules of combat.
'Never shoot indiscriminately at the enemy. It just attracts more gunfire on your position.'

"Sharp Arrows"
Mr.Garlic

Armatesz

If anything I can say of honor of gankers...
If someone is of your own faction that is a ganker the usual aspect is don't draw unwanted attention to them, or leave them alone or if they are ganking to cause some kind of distraction against the opposing side so they think it is just you.
If you are a ganker or seen someone being ganked treat the person that was just killed or people if multiple with dignity. That means don't go sending them dissing mail, if anything send them words of encouragement.
If dealing with a ganker make sure the land is hard for them to navigate around or that would be to your advantage so they have less room to move around with. Aoes break stealth so aoe the area if need be. If you can try to lure other enemies around you but be careful if they try to bomb them as that can potentially kill you. If you see a purple ball on someone or yourself get away from crowds. Have a headset on and try to pay attention to sounds here and there. If anything to do over the body of a ganker is a simple bow or such.

But hey people make their own decisions of what they want to do so people will be people and may or may not listen.
Also you don't have to be a nightblade to gank people >.> I ganked people as a breton templar so yeah... fun times.

Soleya

There are cases where I consider ganking dishonorable.

- Ganking a player and then teabagging them (teabagging in general is dishonorable and just shows your a loser)

- Killing PVE players at quest points and skyshards. Just shows you have no skill because your choosing targets that aren't setup to PVP and you know will be easy to kill. Also killing them does nothing to forward your alliance in the war. You essentially like to troll people.

- Ganking players that actually helps another alliance and not yours. This one is the one I see most often. A typical example would be a few DC players ganking AD players near Sej when they are pushing toward EP, when DC owns very little of the map. This reduces the amount of AD at that battle, which allows EP to need less reinforcements to defend. This helps EP, and allows them to push toward DC as well. And the ganked AD players usually give up and then start pushing toward DC. I imagine this happens on all alliances, but since I play AD mostly, I see this happen quite often. Although I've never seen EP do this because they only zerg.

On the other hand, if you gank players who are riding toward your keeps, or keeps you are attacking, or on siege attacking your keeps, then you are helping your alliance. And while no one likes being ganked, it's just as honorable as any other method of combat.

Side note, if you try to gank and fail, then run away, your not dishonorable, just a coward.

Korah_Eaglecry

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

Are you ganking for the sake of ganking? As in you dont do it for any strategic or tactical reason but for the pure pleasure of cutting down people because they didnt have time to react?

Or

Are you ganking in an attempt to slow down the horde of players moving on a friendly target? So as to give your side more time to prepare or move into position for a counter-attack?

Personally I think the strategic gankers are more forgivable. Ambushes are a legitimate method of attacking an enemy. But if youre out there plucking off the very obvious low levels that are struggling to keep up with the pack. Then yeah, youre just a jerk and a coward.

Tan9oSuccka

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

Are you ganking for the sake of ganking? As in you dont do it for any strategic or tactical reason but for the pure pleasure of cutting down people because they didnt have time to react?

Or

Are you ganking in an attempt to slow down the horde of players moving on a friendly target? So as to give your side more time to prepare or move into position for a counter-attack?

Personally I think the strategic gankers are more forgivable. Ambushes are a legitimate method of attacking an enemy. But if youre out there plucking off the very obvious low levels that are struggling to keep up with the pack. Then yeah, youre just a jerk and a coward.

It depends. Even low levels can operate siege weapons and are capable of potentially taking your keep.

Stupid gankers attack a 690 Prefect with 35K health.

If solo, I’ll take the CP 190 with the slow horse every time.

DoctorESO

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

If you have to ask, then yes.

I sense the guilt within you.

geonsocal

nothing is this game has triggered me harder than some "ally" turning on me...nothing...

Narvuntien

That guy really needs to grow up, why would you take getting ganked so personally?

I get hit and die and I respawn and go back to winning this war for my alliance without another thought about it.

Oh no! I died, whatever will I do?. My poor ego is so bruised. Its only the millionth time this has happened to me.

ArchMikem

Using stealth is just as much of an intended type of gameplay as making a nasty sword and shield dps build. But yes people are salty about players who constantly cloak and burst from the shadows. They prefer a more stand up kind of fight. It's whatever, you're not some terrible player for choosing to gank.

But you are the reason I always slot Piercing Mark on my Nightblade whenever I go into Cyrodiil. If you fail to down me the first time I will mark you so you can't hide away again.

klowdy1

Hurtfan wrote: »

Ganking is part of PvP....I hate it, just like bombing but there are ways to combat it, you learn to deal with it but it's still hard to stop...

You're using the strengths of your toon, shame on you

And when it comes to war, honor schmonor...

Seriously. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

geonsocal

Narvuntien wrote: »

That guy really needs to grow up, why would you take getting ganked so personally?

I get hit and die and I respawn and go back to winning this war for my alliance without another thought about it.

Oh no! I died, whatever will I do?. My poor ego is so bruised. Its only the millionth time this has happened to me.

I've started collecting screenshots of particularly iinteresting death recaps - especially when someone is able to spam 5 of the same ability to kill me (impressive sustain), or, getting hit by four different eye of flame (impressive timing)...

truly, a million ways to die in pvp...

monktoasty

It's just a game and ganking is viable..but so is the poetic Justice that befalls you

Qbiken

Nothing wrong with being a ganker, as long as you don´t act salty when you fail

Gilvoth

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

i think it's horrible that people do that and that they are able to do it is even worse on zenimax.

no, you are not deserving of it. it should not be able to be allowed to happen to you.
people should not be able to do it.
we should be completely invisible to everyone in pvp, even our own alliance because of things like this.

starkerealm

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

Personally, I find it way easier to give people the slip on a magblade. Just drag him into someplace awkward, and when the other alliances notice, book it. He's not going to be able to maintain speed, while you're zipping away with cloak and concealed weapon.

malicia

I wish I could figure out what people mean with "honor" when talking about a war. Your aim is to win the war, not to win a duel against a single player.

If your contribution is to gank the divines light armor 18k health DD, then you may be saving one of our tanks' life. That DD is specced for maximum damage, so kill him before he kills one of ours. If he's on his way to the battle, even better.

Cyro is a war zone. It is not a a duelling arena. It is not a PvE zone. It is not a picnic park. I will respect my faction and my enemies. If you put up a good fight I'll whisper you so, irrespective of if I won or lost. I will not T-bag you. But I will wage war against you with to the best of my ability, and I will not forego certain skills or abilities simply because it does not fit your personal opinion of what Cyro should be.

Mayrael

Ganking in general is ok, I was even in some point of the game sort of "ganker hunter", I was runing with heavy magplar in setup to survive and eventualy kill solo ganker but most of all to bite and reveal them (as they often come in groups).
In general ganking is ok but there are some exceptions.
1. Stalking PvErs. If you kill someone who is doing some quests because he stomped on you, thats ok, he had a bad luck! But following them or hiding at entrance to dung is lame.
2. Ganking in groups solo players. Waiting with your 3 budies for solo player is also lame. Its awesome to jump on double sized group and wipe them, this requiers lot of skills and good team play, it needs to be respected. But jumping from stealth with your budies to kill 1 or 2 players is pretty lame.
3. Picking afk targets. Now don't get me wrong. I don't mind killing afkers, its PvP zone, you better hide well when afk. I do mind though jumping on target that looks like afk, but when he fights back ganker runs away. Thats just lame af. Be a man, at least try to fight your target for a while, maybe you will be able to kill him anyway, if not flee, but at least try it!
4. Rage whisps. It concerns not only gankers. Never rage whisp, this shows only weak character. When someone rage whisps you, wish him a nice day and ignore him. Be smarter

Zbigb4life

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

I want to start by saying that I know my choice of play style isn't exactly the most honorable. Since launch, my main has been a magblade ganker in pvp. So obviously I rely on stealth game play a lot.
Not often, but every once in a while I notice a player from my own alliance following me around and shooting arrows or swinging their sword at my position to give me away to the other alliance. Personally, I feel this is treasonous behavior, especially since I am COMPLETELY loyal to my own alliance. But what does everyone else think? Is this justified behavior? Does it serve me right for being a shameless ganker?

No the other one is a traitor!

Demycilian

Just ignore the guy swinging the sword. Chances are he is a desperate true pvper tired of seeing the same 32 people around and, indeed, wants to keep you from driving away what little new blood Cyro gets these days.

What a twisted person.

Pink_E_808

I don't know much about being a ganker cuz I don't do it myself, but I don't really see anything wrong with it, especially if you're doing it for tactical reasons.

The ally giving you away, tho, that's another matter. Spying, 'double agents' and deception are a natural part of war, but it's a sucky feeling when you're outed by someone you thought was on your side.

I've teabagged in the past when I was still new to PvP, but have quit doing it, it's just childish and I don't see the point of it. The other day, I was killed by 3 blues, one came over and teabagged me and then, to my surprise, one of my allies came over and teabagged me, too! Then I saw their name and remembered I had fought against them the day before when they were playing a different alliance. But I got a laugh in because the ally teabagging me left himself open to the three blues and they took him out, too.

DoctorESO

monktoasty wrote: »

It's just a game and ganking is viable..but so is the poetic Justice that befalls you

Poetic indeed.