Am I the only one who dislikes NEEDING sets?

Kwik1

I've played a lot of MMO's and as much as I like ESO, I really wish they would get away from the whole set idea. In other games sets are rare and unique and are special. Here every set is pretty easy to get and the crafted ones are super easy to get.

Don't people hate knowing you are wearing exactly the same thing as everyone else? Want to make a Tank? Get Ebon/Alkosh. Want a Stamblade? Get Hundings/Spriggans. yes I know you can make a lot of different sets work but that's not the point. We are still stuck with the same pieces.

I really wish the set bonuses were gone so we could look for individual pieces. Have that special ring that is awesome? Save it and use it. That sword with the cool proc? use it.

We can't since it would break the set.

=(

Arobain

you make a fair point

Kel

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Prof_Bawbag

Tell that to the majority of players around CP160 ish that every set is easy to get. You know the ones, the ones that next to no one would entertain for a second when it comes to farming for the likes of 'Alkosh'. So no, it's not pretty easy to obtain every set. Nor was it very easy to farm for certain sets before the whole trait changing thing appeared. Which granted, has lessened the burden a lot. No more inane 5001 runs for that sharp BSW inferno staff. Jewellery though, for certain sets can still be a complete ballache too.

Not everyone is CP690. In fact, ZoS have stated in the past most players are very low CP at best.

GeorgeBlack

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Hit and a miss...

Kel

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Hit and a miss...

Well, we do it constantly. So, not so much...
I understand, though. It's hard to let go of that "meta" mentality.

Rungar

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

Kwik1

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tell that to the majority of players around CP160 ish that every set is easy to get. You know the ones, the ones that next to no one would entertain for a second when it comes to farming for the likes of 'Alkosh'. So no, it's not pretty easy to obtain every set. Nor was it very easy to farm for certain sets before the whole trait changing thing appeared. Which granted, has lessened the burden a lot. No more inane 5001 runs for that sharp BSW inferno staff. Jewellery though, for certain sets can still be a complete ballache too.

Not everyone is CP690. In fact, ZoS have stated in the past most players are very low CP at best.

Ok I am CP350. I have run nMoL a lot with my guild lately and in 2 runs I had a full alkosh jewelry as well as sword/shield. Since then I have given out multiple Alkosh pieces in rings/ammy's to whoever needed it. I got my Moondancer set in 3 runs. I am just now starting to look for VO gear so after 1 run I have 1 piece and will look for more as I do it.

It IS easy to get every set since we can transmute the traits now. You can sit in Craglorn and I see CONSTANT normal trial runs being offered and always asking for tanks/healers/DPS. Every 30 minutes I see it being advertised.

If you are CP160 and trying to get sets and having issues, get a decent guild.

Now keep in mind I am PC NA so can't speak of consoles, also I am only talking blue gear. I could care less about purple/gold.

If you aren't being picky then yes, it is easy to get almost any set, you just need to run trials and accept blue gear.

Oakmontowls_ESO

switching to the kind of system your suggest wouldn't solve your problem though. It would just shift to needing 7 specific unique items instead of set items.

Kwik1

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Let me say it isn't really feasible. The game pushes you to wear sets and it makes it easy for you to do so.

I really haven't had anyone upset at the gear I wear, but I can say I don't see good results unless I am wearing the common sets.

Runefang

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Here is exactly why I wouldn't want to do that, I don't have 3 hours to waste (yes waste) on that.

I've only run vSO once and it ended up a speed run, with the troll feeding achievement included. I play 'meta' specifically to avoid making things harder than necessary.

Diminish

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Tell that to the majority of players around CP160 ish that every set is easy to get. You know the ones, the ones that next to no one would entertain for a second when it comes to farming for the likes of 'Alkosh'. So no, it's not pretty easy to obtain every set. Nor was it very easy to farm for certain sets before the whole trait changing thing appeared. Which granted, has lessened the burden a lot. No more inane 5001 runs for that sharp BSW inferno staff. Jewellery though, for certain sets can still be a complete ballache too.

Not everyone is CP690. In fact, ZoS have stated in the past most players are very low CP at best.

Well in comparison to the VR days, yes, sets are easy to get compared to back when I started playing; especially monster sets. Lots has changed, and with transmutation it has made gear infinitely more accessible.

You want Alkosh, go to Craglorn and there are "lf x for nmol", "need x more for nmol", etc. messages spam zone chat every 30 seconds. These groups have no requirements. They don't care if you are CP10 or CP690 because nMoL is the equivalent of a 12 man Spindleclutch.

You want an overland set? Go to that zone, someone will be spamming "WTS x" in zone chat. Follow a boss farming group... sneeze on the boss and you get loot.

You want a dungeon set? Wait for it to turn up as a daily and spam normal activity finder. You can get a complete set in a day. Not ideal traits though? Transmute it... 1 hour in Cyrodiil and you can get nearly 50 crystals... not counting the ones from the daily you did.

You want a crafted set? Farm the mats and ask in zone chat in a capital city. Someone will do you a favor.

Jewelry, yes, it is a little worse, but not NEARLY as bad as it has been in the past. Again, if it is a dungeon set it can be gotten pretty painlessly. Overland jewelry is sold by the masses farming dolmens.

Kwik1

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

switching to the kind of system your suggest wouldn't solve your problem though. It would just shift to needing 7 specific unique items instead of set items.

Asolutely and I understand that. My point though is I would have something to work to. Currently you work to the same exact setup as 90% of the rest of the gamers.

As an example, in DDO there are multiple ways to build a character to make it a viable toon. With some gear you literally change a character to build around that item. You have a lot of options.

Here you have your Stamblades but you use the same set of skills on most of them and end up with the same gear. Starting with Hundings/Spriggans and working to VO but there is no middle ground. Just join a normal trial group that drops VO and run it awhile and adjust your traits as needed. The game is really forgiving.

I understand some people don't like farming, but don't people get tired of not having any gear that takes time to get? Needing to work upwards in layers? The first trial I did was a nMoL as tank. It was not challenging. Granted I had Ebon/Whitestrakes I think before I swapped to Ebon/Alkosh within 2 runs. I am not an expert in the game but I understand MoL is one of the harder trials. I had zero issues and only died once when I wasn't paying attention.

Boom I am now in pretty much end game gear for a tank. Yes I can get better quality jewelry but that's it and it isn't a HUGE jump. My armor/weapons are all gold now with the perfect traits for me.

Yes I can now tank vMoL easily and vHoF easily which is great, but I am done. I can get more CP's, but what else do I farm for? Sure more monster sets or other gear to try out, but...

just saying as easy as sets are to obtain, it takes away from any farming of end gear items.

Kwik1

Diminish wrote: »

[Jewelry, yes, it is a little worse, but not NEARLY as bad as it has been in the past. Again, if it is a dungeon set it can be gotten pretty painlessly. Overland jewelry is sold by the masses farming dolmens.

This!

Last night a guildy wanted sunderflame. It is super easy now. I logged onto my AVERAGE Pet Sorc and we got 2 more DPS. No healer or tank and we farmed nCoA and got everything he wanted in an hour.

Iccotak

nah, I like the sets

Kel

Runefang wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Here is exactly why I wouldn't want to do that, I don't have 3 hours to waste (yes waste) on that.

I've only run vSO once and it ended up a speed run, with the troll feeding achievement included. I play 'meta' specifically to avoid making things harder than necessary.

The point isn't wanting/not wanting to do that. The point is alot of players have the misconception that you need to wear the same thing everyone else wears to do that content. And that's absolutely not true. That is the point. You have choices and options.
You chose to play meta. That's your choice. Others can do the same content you do in thier choice of gear as well. That is thier choice.
The only ones that say "you NEED to have this gear" are players. And unless you're aiming for leaderboards/speed runs, who cares about your gear. If your aim is completion, that can be accomplished without meta.

Kwik1

jabrone77 wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Here is exactly why I wouldn't want to do that, I don't have 3 hours to waste (yes waste) on that.

I've only run vSO once and it ended up a speed run, with the troll feeding achievement included. I play 'meta' specifically to avoid making things harder than necessary.

The point isn't wanting/not wanting to do that. The point is alot of players have the misconception that you need to wear the same thing everyone else wears to do that content. And that's absolutely not true. That is the point. You have choices and options.
You chose to play meta. That's your choice. Others can do the same content you do in thier choice of gear as well. That is thier choice.
The only ones that say "you NEED to have this gear" are players. And unless you're aiming for leaderboards/speed runs, who cares about your gear. If your aim is completion, that can be accomplished without meta.

So yes you are 100% correct. If you want to wear something that isn't "meta" You can run vSO in a little over 3 hours. That statement is fine. how many of those players that it took 3 hours are going to ever want to try that again?

The other side of the coin is, you can wear 'meta" gear and get vSO done in an hour or less and move on to other things. How many of those players that did it in an hour will be wanting to try it again?

The problem is, it isn't fun for a lot of people. yes I can wear crappy sets and still get dungeons done OR I can wear what is "meta" and get them done in less then half the time with much fewer deaths.

You can wear anything in any game, but having fun while doing it is a totally different thing.

notimetocare

Welcome to just about every MMORPG ever? I will grant there is more sets in this game, especially equipped but sets have defined MMORPGs for about as long as they have existed

Vaoh

I’d like if there were lots of unique items similar to Maelstrom/Master/Asylum Weapons..... except for armor and jewelry. Like a powerful ring that is its own 1-piece set. Or a gloves. Stuff like that. That’s sort of along the lines of what you want.

The way Diablo 3 handled sets was the best imo.

ESO didn’t do a bad job though. The only issue with ESO’s system is that like 90%+ of sets are completely horrible and/or outright outclassed. ZOS will never rebalance like 200+ sets to make them viable for niche builds despite how cool that’d be.

Kwik1

notimetocare wrote: »

Welcome to just about every MMORPG ever? I will grant there is more sets in this game, especially equipped but sets have defined MMORPGs for about as long as they have existed

Ok this is not even remotely true.

I have played DDO/EQ/Ultima Online/DAOC/WoW/tons of others and while there were a FEW sets they were in NO WAY remotely as set oriented as ESO.

You pieced together in each of those games all your gear from different raids/mob drops and I thought it was fine. You might find a couple set pieces here and there but 5 piece sets were not normal.

Vaoh wrote: »

I’d like if there were lots of unique items similar to Maelstrom/Master/Asylum Weapons..... except for armor and jewelry. Like a powerful ring that is its own 1-piece set. Or a gloves. Stuff like that. That’s sort of along the lines of what you want.

The way Diablo 3 handled sets was the best imo.

Diablo 3 did do pretty good. And I agree with the Maelstrom/Master/Asylum, they aren't bad. I just wish we could be a little more unique and still stay viable in upper tier stuff.

Runefang

jabrone77 wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Unless you're pushing for leaderboards or speed times, who really cares what you're wearing? No one says you HAVE to use what everyone else is using. 98% of the content in this game can be done in the most ridiculous combination of sets. There's a reason sets exsist.
That's not the problem. The problem with this game is even in the normal random group finder pug you'll find a player who acts like they are shooting for a leaderboard score and will come down on you for your gear not being "optimal".
Have fun, do what you want, and don't worry what other players think.
I'm in a guild that just completed vSO in just over 3 hours with 4 players at or under 200cp's, none of them wearing "meta" gear. Saying that can't be done is BS.
(Ninja Cakes, ps4 eu)

Here is exactly why I wouldn't want to do that, I don't have 3 hours to waste (yes waste) on that.

I've only run vSO once and it ended up a speed run, with the troll feeding achievement included. I play 'meta' specifically to avoid making things harder than necessary.

The point isn't wanting/not wanting to do that. The point is alot of players have the misconception that you need to wear the same thing everyone else wears to do that content. And that's absolutely not true. That is the point. You have choices and options.
You chose to play meta. That's your choice. Others can do the same content you do in thier choice of gear as well. That is thier choice.
The only ones that say "you NEED to have this gear" are players. And unless you're aiming for leaderboards/speed runs, who cares about your gear. If your aim is completion, that can be accomplished without meta.

The reason people say you 'NEED' it is just because when they run group content they don't want to group with people who are happy to take 3 hours doing vSO just because they're unique snowflakes with their own special gear.

IMO if you're running group content you should try and pull decent numbers for the sakes of other players. There is still plenty of opportunity to go your own way within that definition, 25k DPS for some off-meta gear set up is still good enough.

LordSemaj

Rungar wrote: »

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

You clearly haven't played Dungeons and Dragons Online. Every item in that game is like an entire ESO set. And you can equip 16 of them. Imagine wearing 16 sets in ESO.

kringled_1

Kwik1 wrote: »

Ok I am CP350. I have run nMoL a lot with my guild lately and in 2 runs I had a full alkosh jewelry as well as sword/shield. Since then I have given out multiple Alkosh pieces in rings/ammy's to whoever needed it. I got my Moondancer set in 3 runs. I am just now starting to look for VO gear so after 1 run I have 1 piece and will look for more as I do it.

It IS easy to get every set since we can transmute the traits now. You can sit in Craglorn and I see CONSTANT normal trial runs being offered and always asking for tanks/healers/DPS. Every 30 minutes I see it being advertised.

If you are CP160 and trying to get sets and having issues, get a decent guild.

Now keep in mind I am PC NA so can't speak of consoles, also I am only talking blue gear. I could care less about purple/gold.

If you aren't being picky then yes, it is easy to get almost any set, you just need to run trials and accept blue gear.

I don't find your personal example all that compelling. I've done the normal Craglorn trials about a dozen times so far. Grand total of 2 pieces of VO, both body. It won't take a lot of runs if it's a guild group that is mostly already set for stuff so they are happy to share, but a lot of the zone assembled groups, everyone is looking for the same stuff, so if it doesn't drop for you, tough luck, next time.

Diminish wrote: »

Well in comparison to the VR days, yes, sets are easy to get compared to back when I started playing; especially monster sets. Lots has changed, and with transmutation it has made gear infinitely more accessible.

You want an overland set? Go to that zone, someone will be spamming "WTS x" in zone chat. Follow a boss farming group... sneeze on the boss and you get loot.

You want a dungeon set? Wait for it to turn up as a daily and spam normal activity finder. You can get a complete set in a day. Not ideal traits though? Transmute it... 1 hour in Cyrodiil and you can get nearly 50 crystals... not counting the ones from the daily you did.

You want a crafted set? Farm the mats and ask in zone chat in a capital city. Someone will do you a favor.

Jewelry, yes, it is a little worse, but not NEARLY as bad as it has been in the past. Again, if it is a dungeon set it can be gotten pretty painlessly. Overland jewelry is sold by the masses farming dolmens.

Painlessly is why there's been multiple threads asking if Bone Pirate or Sunderflame necklace even drop?

I mean, I'm not trying to claim that most sets are completely inaccessible. But if you don't spend a whole day running a single dungeon, it may take a while for you to assemble the right pieces. Agreed that transmutation makes the whole thing a lot more tractable. (Although your 1 hour in Cyrodiil is 50 crystals at the end of the month, not exactly immediate rewards).
I'll end up with all the sets I want in the long run, but it's going to take a fair amount of actual time, and a decent amount of storage space to hold onto partial sets.

Kwik1

LordSemaj wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

You clearly haven't played Dungeons and Dragons Online. Every item in that game is like an entire ESO set. And you can equip 16 of them. Imagine wearing 16 sets in ESO.

DDO had the best gearing system and the best leveling system of any game I have ever played. Absolutely loved it.

Server lag was the worst of any game I have ever played and made it unplayable though. =(

Vaoh

Kwik1 wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Welcome to just about every MMORPG ever? I will grant there is more sets in this game, especially equipped but sets have defined MMORPGs for about as long as they have existed

Ok this is not even remotely true.

I have played DDO/EQ/Ultima Online/DAOC/WoW/tons of others and while there were a FEW sets they were in NO WAY remotely as set oriented as ESO.

You pieced together in each of those games all your gear from different raids/mob drops and I thought it was fine. You might find a couple set pieces here and there but 5 piece sets were not normal.

Vaoh wrote: »

I’d like if there were lots of unique items similar to Maelstrom/Master/Asylum Weapons..... except for armor and jewelry. Like a powerful ring that is its own 1-piece set. Or a gloves. Stuff like that. That’s sort of along the lines of what you want.

The way Diablo 3 handled sets was the best imo.

Diablo 3 did do pretty good. And I agree with the Maelstrom/Master/Asylum, they aren't bad. I just wish we could be a little more unique and still stay viable in upper tier stuff.

Many of those items are viable in upper tier stuff. There should definitely be more though, and more unique. Stuff that greatly benefits a specific playstyle.

Maybe items that buff specific class skills and change their functionality. Like a ring that causes your Ardent Flame Abilities to deal Cold Damage instead, or a necklace that changes your Scamp into a MaxStamina/Weapon Damage-based Dremora for Stam Sorcs. Would be amazing lol.

LordSemaj

Kwik1 wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

You clearly haven't played Dungeons and Dragons Online. Every item in that game is like an entire ESO set. And you can equip 16 of them. Imagine wearing 16 sets in ESO.

DDO had the best gearing system and the best leveling system of any game I have ever played. Absolutely loved it.

Server lag was the worst of any game I have ever played and made it unplayable though. =(

Huh, never had that lag problem. I played it when it had better servers I guess.

But for everyone else, these are just two items in that game. These are single items that require no sets to get everything you see here. And. You. Can. Equip. 16. Of. Them. Any combination you want. Redundant abilities make piecing sets together like a jigsaw puzzle of awesomeness while unique abilities can be fit into any build since you can always find other item that has the bonus you need to cover.



I wish ESO was more like this instead of 2 set bonuses and a monster set.

Kwik1

LordSemaj wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

You clearly haven't played Dungeons and Dragons Online. Every item in that game is like an entire ESO set. And you can equip 16 of them. Imagine wearing 16 sets in ESO.

DDO had the best gearing system and the best leveling system of any game I have ever played. Absolutely loved it.

Server lag was the worst of any game I have ever played and made it unplayable though. =(

Huh, never had that lag problem. I played it when it had better servers I guess.

But for everyone else, these are just two items in that game. These are single items that require no sets to get everything you see here. And. You. Can. Equip. 16. Of. Them. Any combination you want. Redundant abilities make piecing sets together like a jigsaw puzzle of awesomeness while unique abilities can be fit into any build since you can always find other item that has the bonus you need to cover.



I wish ESO was more like this instead of 2 set bonuses and a monster set.

Ok but equipping more then 1 of an armor item meant having each item cleansed and that took some time and effort though for each one.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

nobody stops you from playing naked.

AbysmalGhul

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

nobody stops you from playing naked.

^ Truth be told

Illurian

Which MMOs have you been playing that didn't have gear sets? Every single MMO I've ever played has had a gear set system (or similar).

Gear being easy to get is not a bad thing in my opinion; quite the contrary in fact. When the BiS (or close to) is attainable by everyone, it really highlights an emphasis on player skill in order to pull off good dps or to complete harder content. I can only see this as a good thing.

In regards to sets, you seem to be asking for each set piece to function like a vMA weapon. That would be insanely powerful, and would need to be scaled down to such a miniature state (if ever implemented) that you might as well just equip four 2x set pieces instead.

LordSemaj

Kwik1 wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Rungar wrote: »

this game has the greatest gear variability of any mmo that ever was. The combinations are endless. Its literally the best feature of the game.

You clearly haven't played Dungeons and Dragons Online. Every item in that game is like an entire ESO set. And you can equip 16 of them. Imagine wearing 16 sets in ESO.

DDO had the best gearing system and the best leveling system of any game I have ever played. Absolutely loved it.

Server lag was the worst of any game I have ever played and made it unplayable though. =(

Huh, never had that lag problem. I played it when it had better servers I guess.

But for everyone else, these are just two items in that game. These are single items that require no sets to get everything you see here. And. You. Can. Equip. 16. Of. Them. Any combination you want. Redundant abilities make piecing sets together like a jigsaw puzzle of awesomeness while unique abilities can be fit into any build since you can always find other item that has the bonus you need to cover.



I wish ESO was more like this instead of 2 set bonuses and a monster set.

Ok but equipping more then 1 of an armor item meant having each item cleansed and that took some time and effort though for each one.

Yeah but that was just the end game raiding equivalent of making your gear gold. Even ESO wasn't too easy to gold out gear in when it first came out, too much demand and not enough supply. Of course now you can just wear pieces from different raids and not worry about it. Or craft epic items yourself.

Made finding the perfect sets a real discovery challenge since bonuses like the Wisdom +6 don't stack so you had to min-max all the bonuses you wanted while trying to nab a few super helpful ones like the immunities.