Anyone else not enjoy Weapon Swap? Or is it just me?

KingYogi415

Even wow has bar swap. It’s like with 40 more skills tho. LOL.

qbkitsune

Definitely there should be a better indication which bar you are on, especially out of combat when you’re not really sure which staves are which visually. There’s nothing like trying to do a self heal after jumping off a ledge to get to the guild traders below, only to accidentally blast a guard instead and get a hefty bounty.

Between this and all the steal-ables you can accidentally click on while trying to interact with the traders, my non-thief character is probably more infamous with the guards than any of my actual thieves.

TheTwistedRune

I don't enjoy it either, so generally I don't bother. Would rather just have 2 active bars (10 skill slots) and just a generic main weapon swap that you can use if you want, with the 10 slots completely separate and unaffected by weapon swapping.

All boils down to preference. There is no better or right way.

Turelus

I'm sad that it became front/back all make one goal in a build to compensate for lack of skills, but I don't get too annoyed as it's a second nature mechanic for me now.

Dragath

i like it, as long as it works. i hate the lag issues, though.
and most of the times i wish we had at least one slot more per bar.

Rungar

its great when it works but often just doesn't work in pvp when there lots of players around. No stuns or anything it just don't work reliably when you press the button sometimes. Don't know if others found it the same. Works great in pve though.

Tasear

Juju_beans wrote: »

It's so much easier to weapon swap then to have 10 different keys to remember and reach.

This^

Dragonnord

You don't hate weapon swap, you hate lag, believe me.
 

Ermiq

techprince wrote: »

Rebind to Q and it will be much easier.

Nope. Q is for shields and other emergency buttons. Always.

qbkitsune wrote: »

Definitely there should be a better indication which bar you are on, especially out of combat when you’re not really sure which staves are which visually. There’s nothing like trying to do a self heal after jumping off a ledge to get to the guild traders below, only to accidentally blast a guard instead and get a hefty bounty.

There's a settings in the game, you can make your bars visible all the time. So, if you know your skill icons, you should quickly realise which bar you're on.

Runschei wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

then don't swap weapons.

Boom. Problem solved.

Only an issue then you are on the wrong weapon. It happens somthimes even if I:
1) have radical different look on staffs, bow is fairly visible.
2) show bar all the time
3) has one mouse button for switch to front bar and one to back

1. I don't get what you're going on about here.
2. Check your settings here mate. Bars can be adjusted to always show, show only while in combat or never show.
3. Why? You can set one button to change buttons, no need to have two of them when you can only swap between two weapons anyways.

It's just a misunderstanding. zaria said that he/she has all the things that should help to understand which bar he/she is on, but he/she still has a wrong bar sometimes, even if he/she has staff bars looking completely different (not sure what second part of sequence (about a bow) means), his/her bars are always visible, and he/she uses 2 different buttons to change bars to be sure that he/she chooses right bar. Even so he/she still has an issue with a wrong bar sometimes.

Beardimus

It's buggy and clunky. When it works I'm a fan

Storm_knight22

I just wish the bar could fit more skills,. 6 abilities is so limited.

Aurielle

I love weapon swapping. I had to rebind it on PS4, though, because the default weapon swap button is stupid.

Back when I played on PC, I used a Logitech g300 mouse. I bound weapon swapping to the top left button, which can be reached very easily and quickly without impacting your rotation: https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-G300s-Optical-Gaming-910-004360/dp/B00RH6R7C4 By the time you've swapped weapons and moved your index finger back to your light attack button, the global skill cooldown has just about ended and you're ready for another light attack. If you play on PC and DON'T use a gaming mouse, I strongly recommend getting one. It makes everything much easier.

Lynx7386

On ps4 even the tiniest amount of lag causes weapon swap to not even work, and it can have pretty bad consequences.

For example, my stamsorc tank has 1h/shield front bar and dual wield back bar. I frequently have to swap back to the dual wield bar to recast deadly cloak, blood craze, and beast trap, I can usually do that in a second or two and then swap back to the front bar with my shield so I dont take too much damage. There have been a TON of times though that for whatever reason the game gets hung up and wont bar swap, and I sit there spamming blood craze thinking it's pierce armor, because there's so much going on in combat I cant sit and stare at my ability icons to make sure bar swap actually worked.

If the system was more smooth and didnt get hung up all the time for reasons unknown, it might be ok. As is it can be riskier swapping than just sticking with a few basic abilities on one bar.

The same thing has happened on my other characters. E.g. my templar healer will swap to back bar for certain buffs and damage abilities, then someone in the group starts taking heavy damage about to die so I swap back to resto staff to heal - except the swap doesnt actually happen, and I end up spamming luminous shards or wall of elements instead of healing springs, and the guy in my group dies because of it.

Beardimus

Rebind is key, even on consoles.

WhoSlappedThePie

SEriously lame post.

Anotherone773

I hate weapon swap. It adds unnecessary complication to the game by poor design. It also discourages uniqueness. What if everyone had one bar with 10 slots and a single weapon. Then you could swap your whole spec: weapon/gear, skills, CP, attributes all at once as long as you were out of combat and it took 5 seconds to make the swap?

ZOS tried to reinvent the wheel with duel bars and weapon swaps.

Sabbathius

Yep, I don't like weapon swap, and I first-hand saw people quit the game very early because of it.

In most other games, swapping weapons is for swapping roles. You put your 2H away, you take out a bow, and engage at range. And ranged weapons tend to have a deadzone - you can't shoot someone with a bow when they are literally standing nose to nose with you. But in ESO, you can.

And it breaks the game for a lot of folks. It's a massive mental switch to realize that in ESO the two bars work more like an offensive/defensive stance, rather than role. When pressured, you fall on your backbar and shield/heal/whatever, then go back to front bar for offense. And the weapons are there for the buffs/abilities.

I can live with it. But I don't like it. Especially how unresponsive it gets in high lag of Cyrodiil, or when dealing with CC, and how little feedback we get on bar swap. I so often see people die because they thought they bar swapped, but they actually didn't because lag/stagger/etc. If the combat and controls were more responsive, and the client and servers ran better, it wouldn't be so detrimental.

Juju_beans

Jura23 wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

It's so much easier to weapon swap then to have 10 different keys to remember and reach.

You could click icons with mouse

I use my mouse for movement, roll, sneak, switch bars and use keyboard for fighting.
Not a clicker here.

idk

WhiteScythe wrote: »

I find the whole thing annoying really.

Why? It is a great thing having the ability to have 2 weapons and it works fine. Well, this days it works mostly fine. There were some issues during the first year of the game.

WhiteScythe

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

SEriously lame post.

You didn't have to post if you thought it was seriously lame.

Beardimus wrote: »

Rebind is key, even on consoles.

I do have it bound and I'm starting to play with this weapon swap idea, as someone said earlier I might even make the second bar a buff/passive bar.

CarbonX wrote: »

You don't hate weapon swap, you hate lag, believe me.

Especially true coming from Australia.. lag is a killer.

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Even wow has bar swap. It’s like with 40 more skills tho. LOL.

LOL have you played WoW? It's a dual spec. You literally swap to whatever it is you are going to play for that encounter/dungeon w/e. You DON'T have to change on the fly in combat, you can't anyway.

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

I don't enjoy it either, so generally I don't bother. Would rather just have 2 active bars (10 skill slots) and just a generic main weapon swap that you can use if you want, with the 10 slots completely separate and unaffected by weapon swapping.

All boils down to preference. There is no better or right way.

Agree.

But regardless thankyou all for your input I was just curious if anyone else didn't like the concept of weapon swapping.

Rokushakubo

I'm on PS4 and have it bound to R3. When it was on the dpad it was a ball ache but now I can swap without even thinking about it, while moving. I am so fluid between front and back bar it's awesome.

Avrael

Didnt read every comment, but people who say "Dont use a second weapon, problem solved" gotta be trolling. And they probably are, but you cant be 100% sure on the internet...

And i dont like weapon swapping too. I would like to see something like:
2 skillbars/1 big skillbar at all times (using the 6-0 keys, or something), and being able to use 2 weapons, but slot any skills of these weapons in any point of the skillbar. If you then use a skill of that weapon, it swaps to that weapon (instantly and without lag or bugging out like atm).
But maybe that isnt the best idea... would still like to see it. owo

Dojohoda

I dislike it only when the bar-swap fails, such as those server-intense PVP moments.

My mouse wheel " sweep right and sweep left" are both programmed to ` (bar-swap) so it's super easy to bar-swap under most conditions.

edit to add: I also have my Skill Bar set to "always show" so I always can see at a glance which bar I am on.
This is especially useful after altering my skill line-up and when Cyrodiil is displaying the wrong weapon.

Iccotak

change key bindings, make sure weapons look very different from each other as visual cue.

I am pure sword and board build

WhiteScythe

Since the latest update I guess weapon swapping has become worse.. really hating it right now. Really really REALLY hating it.