Vivec AD and EP: FIGHT EACH OTHER

trustcotraptb14_ESO

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

VaranisArano

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

I really, really want to respond to this with a silly post about how AD is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec, but I can't think of enough AD to make it sound good.

Any AD wanna help me out?

Telel

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

Lies. Or at least non khajiit opinions. Which often turn out to be lies when they come from derpmer and nudists. Or nudist derpmer.

Except for the part about the bloops. Those are facts. Big stupid facts that shouldn't exist but manage to despite being so dumb.

Like elves in a way, only with less flammability and accusations of wrongdoing.

Reverb

Each of us only see is the battles we're a part of, that's not the whole picture. It's a three faction war, everybody feels ganged up on by the other two sides. Also, expect to be focused if your faction is leading in points, has emperor, or has enemy scrolls.

Zbigb4life

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

How do you expect DC to respond to getting tag teamed? We only send our whole faction in response to EP and AD faction stacks. We don't rely on numbers until we are backed into a corner. They send 60-80 guys to take our keeps when there's hardly any DC on. We get day/night capped too at times. I've been on at 4 am central time and there are mobs on and we had 20 DC running from keep to keep trying to defend. There's no reason if DC is in the lead to not attack the 2nd place faction, you get the same points.

I've never seen AD go deep into EP territory, and rarely do you see EP go deep into AD territory.

What??? On PS4 EU all is see is blue zerg squad

D0PAMINE

So what everyone needs to realize, it that there are good players, scrubs, zergs etc in every single faction in all campaigns. This thread is silly. That map changes so frequently.

HaroniNDeorum

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

Lol

Greasytengu

VaranisArano wrote: »

I really, really want to respond to this with a silly post about how AD is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec, but I can't think of enough AD to make it sound good.

Any AD wanna help me out?

Try putting up LFG in zone chat?

Oh wait... nobody is inviting...

heaven13

lol this is totally different of the state of Kyne at the moment (PC/NA). Was there earlier. DC and EP had about same number of resources, trying to dethrone AD emp (or that's what was initially thought was the goal, lol). Except the same 3 EP players would wait until someone was engaging somewhere, show up, gank/AP farm, but when they'd killed everyone, they'd disappear rather than actually try to DO anything. So they'd come up from behind and sandwich in the small DC group between their gankers and the AD hive mind zerg. DC was running a couple smaller groups (7-13 or so) on different objectives though they all bickered about what to do and how to get anything done. AD was literally just POURING out of wherever they'd come from (Roe and Alessia and south from there) and then teabagging the 5 players they killed with their 30+.

On Shor, EP usually has most of the map and the biggest zergs. It's amusing to me how each faction plays so different depending on campaign.

Telel

Greasytengu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I really, really want to respond to this with a silly post about how AD is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec, but I can't think of enough AD to make it sound good.

Any AD wanna help me out?

Try putting up LFG in zone chat?

Oh wait... nobody is inviting...

/zone <Children of Hircine> an AD Werewolf PVP/E guild is recruiting. Discord required for PVP, bites provided for free, and we'll even help you with gear & skills. Whisper any member (or me) for an invite.

Ixtyr

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

AD has Omni and that's it

Aw, my guild's first forum compliment. Ixy so proud

ShadowMonarch

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'd also point out that the design of the map itself makes it easier for DC to be targeted by AD and EP than each other.

There are a grand total of three bridges between AD and EP territory, meaning that it is difficult to push in to the others area and start fights.

Alessia itself if the closest AD keep to EP, which means that the bridge tends to end up as a bottleneck of zerging and counterzerging, thus at least for AD, taking Ash and Nikel and attacking further from there tends to be the easiest course of action, and I'd say it would be the same for the Reds.

There are 3 mountain pass's with gate narrower then the bridge between ep/dc and 3 more between ad/dc. They serve the same purpose geographically as a bridge, except you can get under a bridge and you cannot go around those walls.

2nd. If anything AD is the easiest to tag team cause it is in the center, while it being a perfect triangle being in the center provokes the mind to focus on it.

Till this campaign in sothra for a month we have had Red and Blues making a purple pact literally fighting side by side in the same keeps to keep AD pushed all the way back.

Its a 3 way war sombody will always be the odd man out and it usually falls on the weakest link. Unless they are fighting side by side I don't wanna hear it.

mook-eb16_ESO

*** for tat thread

MetalHead4x4

AD in the lead??

Nihility42

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

How do you expect DC to respond to getting tag teamed? We only send our whole faction in response to EP and AD faction stacks. We don't rely on numbers until we are backed into a corner. They send 60-80 guys to take our keeps when there's hardly any DC on. We get day/night capped too at times. I've been on at 4 am central time and there are mobs on and we had 20 DC running from keep to keep trying to defend. There's no reason if DC is in the lead to not attack the 2nd place faction, you get the same points.

I've never seen AD go deep into EP territory, and rarely do you see EP go deep into AD territory.

Lol, just this morning AD was pushed to our gates. We literally had no keeps and were struggling just to defend our scrolls.

MetalHead4x4

[quote="Nihility42;c-4881736"Lol, just this morning AD was pushed to our gates. We literally had no keeps and were struggling just to defend our scrolls.[/quote]

It must be a blue moon.

Nermy

I've seen these posts ever since I started playing the game on release. It's not true, we push AD as much as we push DC. It just seems we don't from where you are looking. Had this conversation with @LarsS before...

Anazasi

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

Please stop confusing fact with opinion. Remember a fact is something that is solely based on perspective unless of course everyone can actually agree on the same aspect. It's a fact that the morning paper printed the article regarding the events in Parkland Florida. But the contents of the article could have been wrong, or misleading based on perspectives and or opinions. The same can be said about your statement. It's a fact the DC zergs "A LOT" but that does not diminish the quality of some of the guilds. It's a fact that EP has Drac and Invictus, but it's your opinion that 1 EP pug player equals 10 AD pugs. It's a fact AD has a guild called Omni, but it's your opinion that all others are "God Awful." My guess is your perspectives while only half factual are more than likely mostly your unfactual opinion.

Agrippa_Invisus

Anazasi wrote: »

trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Which platform/server?

The only platform/server that matters. PC NA VIvec is the main event, nobody cares about the kids Xbox.

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

You think DC is outzerging everyone? Pot meet kettle what planet are you from EP is the KING of zerging, you send your whole faction to Aleswell on a regular basis when DC has half your numbers on. Literally ridiculous numbers which prompts accusations of some kind of population cheat. We literally don't know how so many EP are on at times often hitting multiple keeps with giant groups. DC only responds in kind. I play in the evening/night and rarely see any DC zerg group outzerging anyone. We are only responding to being run over by either 100 EP taking Aleswell or 100 AD taking Ash.

What are you talking about? DC is the UNDISPUTED King of Zergs of Vivec. EP has the most coordinated groups and competent players. 1 pug player from EP equals 10 AD pugs. DC get their ass handed to them unless they have massive numbers, which they usually do. DC is free AP unless they have the numbers that overwhelm, this is FACT. There is not a single good guild on DC, and I mean that very much. EP has Drac and Invictus, AD has Omni and that's it, every other AD guild is GOD AWFUL and their ego's are so big they refuse to work together. Zone chat on AD is constant bitching, arguing, complaining and ERP. Zone chat in EP is information call outs and pug groups forming.

Facts.

It's a fact the DC zergs "A LOT" but that does not diminish the quality of some of the guilds.

Oh, trust me, there's nothing to diminish.

But, snide commentary aside, on the average one player from any faction is as good as the next.

It's more about a faction's culture. The below are stereotypes (and my opinion):

AD has a lot of soloers/small manners (due to the stealthy nature of their races). At the same time, when they won last it was due to a lot of small man resource action. You could (and they did ) set your watch to the resource flips every hour on the hour across DC and EP back keeps. Dominant Dominion and other AD guilds worked their rears off to secure that win back in summer and they did it in a manner that played to the AD culture.

DC is very dogged. Annoyingly so. It's why they'll keep piling into (zerging) something, because they all want to achieve that goal and they'll die a dozen times and come back to get it done. At the same time, this leads to the hour long Chalman sieges with DC pouring 80+ players into a breach. They can become so tunnel visioned that throwing their faction at a keep like Roe or Chal causes them to lose half their home keeps.

EP is the self annointed underdog. We feel like we're hated the most and suffer the most for it. We don't put aside our differences to work with either AD or DC temporarily because we've felt burned so often we don't bother anymore. We farm mercilessly, because we honestly feel the other factions deserve to be treated like that. It leads groups to try to be the best they can be, and also leads some players to give no craps about anyone. We're on our own, been that way forever, and can't rely on anyone but ourselves -- to the detriment of coordinated effort and responses more often than I'd like to admit. We can accomplish some amazing things, but our lack of coordination causes us to fall flat on our faces a lot. It also leads to a bit more whininess than I'd like as a lot of EP players feel picked on just because they chose the dragon.

What's the key, though? Coordination is really the ultimate determinate of who wins. The faction that works the best together wins. The times EP has taken it, I know it's been due to guilds putting their interests aside and choosing to do what it takes to take the campaign (including swallowing ego).

Jadokis

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

chris211

Jadokis wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

by the end of this campaign ad are going to be in 3rd place that is not a opinion it is a fact

VaranisArano

chris211 wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

by the end of this campaign ad are going to be in 3rd place that is not a opinion it is a fact

I don't know about it being a fact. Now, if you'd said "Based on how past campaigns have worked out and the apparent inability of AD to win on PC/NA Vivec for the 10 campaigns or so, its extremely likely that AD will wind up in last place," I'd be right there with you.

*Looks at how fast AD's early lead has plummeted.* *Remembers how the last few PC/NA Vivec campaigns have gone with EP and DC being pretty dominant.*

Okay, that's a pretty reasonable assumption that AD will wind up in last place, again, unless AD massively changes up the way they play for the rest of the campaign.

Telel

chris211 wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

by the end of this campaign ad are going to be in 3rd place that is not a opinion it is a fact

chris211 wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

by the end of this campaign ad are going to be in 3rd place that is not a opinion it is a fact.

Because team purple is a thing but good sportsmanship is a myth?

IZZEFlameLash

AD probably won't win again from what I saw last 2 days. Pushed back to the scrolls early morning in NA time and seems to have been that way for a bit before I logged off. I could not really see any large organized groups. Just few small group of people trying to PvDoor while EP and DC are fighting each other up north before they port down again. I think gap between prime times for AD is just a bit too big. Little to no organization in between prime times which is a fair amount of time to turn the score of campaign upside down. If AD can crown emp during prime times and actually hold for a good while, AD might win again.

rivenjr

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

Must be rough playing on DC and always being the solo player underdog faction.

Just a few DC small man groups that happened to be in the same place.

And grouped into 2-3 raids.

Stacked together.

But really, these are the best players. The very best. They help make the game great again.

Yeah this has got to be a troll post or something ...

I'd never be sarcastic.

Ever.

I’m calling Mueller!

jaime1982

chris211 wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

AD in the lead??

EP has alessia? Looks like EP pushed just as far on both factions, and AD beat DC for ash.

by the end of this campaign ad are going to be in 3rd place that is not a opinion it is a fact

They'd be in 3rd place now if it weren't for the que mess. They had how long with full map while EP-DC had 0 points. Well we had bleaks before I logged off.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

DC, THIS IS THE COST OF MAKING CHALMAN YOUR HOME KEEP.

MetalHead4x4

Telel wrote: »

Because team purple is a thing but good sportsmanship is a myth?

There is no team purple, AD is just terrible and doesn't play the map. Right now DC is in last place, and what is happeing, AD and EP are both pushing us to our gates. We (DC) have an equal hatred for the opposing factions. AD had a massive lead, and we were hitting EP. When AD was hitting us. Show me a map where at any time AD was at EP's Gates, or vice versa, there isn't one (ok maybe once) because they both push DC. You know it, yet you run your mouth like its not the case, the map doesn't lie.

MetalHead4x4

This is right now 7:18 pm central w/DC in LAST PLACE.

yttoks

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crap.

After 4 years, someone finally figured out we EP and AD have an Orange Alliance.

I smell a spai.